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    Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/0...y-on-rumsfeld/

    Keith Olbermann Delivers One Hell Of a Commentary on Rumsfeld
    By: Jamie Holly on Wednesday, August 30th, 2006 at 6:22 PM - PDT


    Keith had some very choice words about Rumsfeld’s "fascism" comments tonight. Watch it, save it and share it.

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    Olbermann delivered this commentary with fire and passion while highlighting how Rumsfeld’s comments echoes other times in our world’s history when anyone who questioned the administration was coined as a traitor, unpatriotic, communist or any other colorful term. Luckily we pulled out of those times and we will pull out of these times.

    Remember - Rumsfeld did not just call the Democrats out yesterday, he called out a majority of this country. This wasn’t only a partisan attack, but more so an attack against the majority of Americans.

    The transcript of Keith’s comments tonight is available below the fold.

    The man who sees absolutes, where all other men see nuances and

    shades of meaning, is either a prophet, or a quack.

    Donald S. Rumsfeld is not a prophet.

    Mr. Rumsfeld’s remarkable comments to the Veterans of Foreign Wars

    yesterday demand the deep analysis - and the sober contemplation - of every

    American.

    For they do not merely serve to impugn the morality or

    intelligence - indeed, the loyalty — of the majority of Americans who

    oppose the transient occupants of the highest offices in the land;

    Worse, still, they credit those same transient occupants - our

    employees — with a total omniscience; a total omniscience which neither

    common sense, nor this administration’s track record at home or abroad,

    suggests they deserve.

    Dissent and disagreement with government is the life’s blood of

    human freedom; And not merely because it is the first roadblock against the

    kind of tyranny the men Mr. Rumsfeld likes to think of as "his" troops still

    fight, this very evening, in Iraq.

    It is also essential. Because just every once in awhile… it

    is right — and the power to which it speaks, is wrong.

    In a small irony, however, Mr. Rumsfeld’s speechwriter was

    adroit in invoking the memory of the appeasement of the Nazis.

    For, in their time, there was another government faced with true

    peril - with a growing evil - powerful and remorseless.

    That government, like Mr. Rumsfeld’s, had a monopoly on all the

    facts. It, too, had the secret information. It alone had the true

    picture of the threat. It too dismissed and insulted its critics in

    terms like Mr. Rumsfeld’s - questioning their intellect and their

    morality.

    That government was England’s, in the 1930’s.

    It knew Hitler posed no true threat to Europe, let alone

    England.

    It knew Germany was not re-arming, in violation of all

    treaties and accords.

    It knew that the hard evidence it received, which

    contradicted policies, conclusions - and omniscience — needed to be

    dismissed.

    The English government of Neville Chamberlain already knew

    the truth.

    Most relevant of all - it "knew" that its staunchest critics

    needed to be marginalized and isolated. In fact, it portrayed the foremost

    of them as a blood-thirsty war-monger who was, if not truly senile - at

    best… morally or intellectually confused.

    That critic’s name… was Winston Churchill.

    Sadly, we have no Winston Churchills evident among us this

    evening. We have only Donald Rumsfelds, demonizing disagreement, the way

    Neville Chamberlain demonized Winston Churchill.

    History - and 163 million pounds of Luftwaffe bombs over England

    - taught us that all Mr. Chamberlain had was his certainty - and his own

    confusion. A confusion that suggested that the office can not only make the

    man, but that the office can also make the facts.

    Thus did Mr. Rumsfeld make an apt historical analogy.

    Excepting the fact that he has the battery plugged in backwards.

    His government, absolute - and exclusive - in its knowledge, is not the

    modern version of the one which stood up to the Nazis. It is the modern

    version of the government… of Neville Chamberlain.

    But back to today’s Omniscients.

    That about which Mr. Rumsfeld is confused… is simply this:

    This is a Democracy. Still. Sometimes just barely. And as such,

    all voices count — not just his. Had he or his President perhaps

    proven any of their prior claims of omniscience - about Osama Bin

    Laden’s plans five years ago - about Saddam Hussein’s weapons four years ago

    - about Hurricane Katrina’s impact one* year ago - we all might be able to

    swallow hard, and accept their omniscience as a bearable, even useful

    recipe, of fact, plus ego.

    But, to date, this government has proved little besides its own

    arrogance, and its own hubris.

    Mr. Rumsfeld is also personally confused, morally or

    intellectually, about his own standing in this matter. From Iraq to

    Katrina, to the entire "Fog of Fear" which continues to enveloppe this

    nation - he, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, and their cronies, have - inadvertently

    or intentionally - profited and benefited, both personally, and politically.

    And yet he can stand up, in public, and question the morality and

    the intellect of those of us who dare ask just for the receipt for the

    Emporer’s New Clothes.

    In what country was Mr. Rumsfeld raised?

    As a child, of whose heroism did he read?

    On what side of the battle for freedom did he dream one day

    to fight?

    With what country has he confused… the United States of

    America?

    —–

    The confusion we — as its citizens - must now address, is

    stark and forbidding. But variations of it have faced our forefathers, when

    men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and

    obscured our flag. Note - with hope in your heart - that those earlier

    Americans always found their way to the light… and we can, too.

    The confusion is about whether this Secretary of Defense, and

    this Administration, are in fact now accomplishing what they claim the

    terrorists seek: The destruction of our freedoms, the very ones for

    which the same veterans Mr. Rumsfeld addressed yesterday in Salt Lake City,

    so valiantly fought.

    —-

    And about Mr. Rumsfeld’s other main assertion, that this country

    faces a "new type of fascism."

    As he was correct to remind us how a government that knew

    everything could get everything wrong, so too was he right when he

    said that — though probably not in the way he thought he meant it.

    This country faces a new type of fascism - indeed.

    —-

    Although I presumptuously use his sign-off each night, in feeble

    tribute… I have utterly no claim to the words of the exemplary journalist

    Edward R. Murrow.

    But never in the trial of a thousand years of writing could I

    come close to matching how he phrased a warning to an earlier generation of

    us, at a time when other politicians thought they (and they alone) knew

    everything, and branded those who disagreed, "confused" or "immoral."

    Thus forgive me for reading Murrow in full:

    "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty," he said, in 1954.

    "We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction

    depends upon evidence and due process of law.

    "We will not walk in fear - one, of another. We will not be

    driven by fear into an age of un-reason, if we dig deep in our history

    and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men;

    "Not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to

    defend causes that were - for the moment - unpopular."
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    Re: Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    he's a smart fellow, no doubt.

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    Re: Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    What is that Olbermann- some kinda fascist? If we listen to him, the terrorists have won!

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    Re: Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    Jesus Christ, he quoted Murrow, which means he saw the movie. What a total fucking asshole.

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    Re: Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan Van Sciver
    Jesus Christ, he quoted Murrow, which means he saw the movie. What a total fucking asshole.
    He signs off with "Good night, and good luck."

    He's been doing it since before the movie, though.



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    Re: Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan Van Sciver
    Jesus Christ, he quoted Murrow, which means he saw the movie. What a total fucking asshole.
    uhmmm... how exactly does quoting murrow make one a "total fucking asshole"?



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    Re: Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    Remember - Rumsfeld did not just call the Democrats out yesterday, he called out a majority of this country. This wasn’t only a partisan attack, but more so an attack against the majority of Americans.
    Very true. Unfortuanetly we didn't elect a man who serves his people but instead serves himself.

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    Re: Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Howdeshell
    uhmmm... how exactly does quoting murrow make one a "total fucking asshole"?


    Especially when it's so appropriate...
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    Re: Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Howdeshell
    uhmmm... how exactly does quoting murrow make one a "total fucking asshole"?


    Because it's retarded. It's a form of demogoguery, meant to suggest that this brave newscaster, this BRAVE man, is standing up against a Tyrant, just like Murrow supposedly did in 1954. According to the film we all saw last year.

    When in fact, all he's doing in joining in the shrill harrangue over Rummy's speech that everyone else is involved in during this slow, Ernesto-free newsday. He's a self-righteous fuck.

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    Re: Another reason I Heart Olbermann (Rummy-Fascist remarks)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan Van Sciver
    Because it's retarded. It's a form of demogoguery, meant to suggest that this brave newscaster, this BRAVE man, is standing up against a Tyrant, just like Murrow supposedly did in 1954. According to the film we all saw last year.

    When in fact, all he's doing in joining in the shrill harrangue over Rummy's speech that everyone else is involved in during this slow, Ernesto-free newsday. He's a self-righteous fuck.
    I'm beginning to get the sense you might not understand the satirical nature of your own sig.
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