Claremont

**James Patrick** · 06-09-2006, 05:53 PM

Without getting too much into a respect your elders mode, there would be no X-men on the big screen now if it wasn't for Claremont, so I respect the mother fucker. I haven't read anything lately, but if his skillz are gone, I still say they let him write an X-book out of fucking respect and thanks for the big fucking paycheck they got last weekend. Besides, there are 800 other x-books. .

**cmoney** · 06-09-2006, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Shepherd

I added Brubaker's Uncanny X-Men to my pulls last month, but my comic shop accidently started me on Uncanny right away (instead of in a month or so when Bru takes over). So that means I got a Claremont issue of Uncanny.

I've never enjoyed anything I've read by Claremont, but I decided to read Uncanny 473 anyway. I didn't enjoy it, but as I was reading, I tried to figure out why.

I think Claremont writes in a very "classic" comic style, with a lot of explanation about what's going on and exposition (telling us what's happening instead of just showing us). I think the reason I don't like it is because it's written below my level. It's not at all challenging as an adult reader.

Anyone else have some insight into this? People who like or dislike Claremont?

R

That's pretty much how I feel about it too.

**PhilipClark** · 06-09-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dusty

I've yet to read ANY comic book by ANY writer that was "challenging on an adult level". I've got a feeling I never will, either.

Read plenty of novels and such that were challenging, though.

Come on.

Not even Sandman or Kabuki? The subtext Mack hides in Kabuki takes me at least three reads an issue to fully appreciate.

**PhilipClark** · 06-09-2006, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by James Patrick

Without getting too much into a respect your elders mode, there would be no X-men on the big screen now if it wasn't for Claremont, so I respect the mother fucker. I haven't read anything lately, but if his skillz are gone, I still say they let him write an X-book out of fucking respect and thanks for the big fucking paycheck they got last weekend. Besides, there are 800 other x-books. .

That's true. The man should write X-men as long as he wants.

Persevering Guy · 06-09-2006, 06:03 PM

My fondest memories of superhero comics come from Claremont's orginal x-men run.

After I saw the x-men movie, I got out my 1.5 long boxes of comics from 1991-1995 and reread all my x-books. I needed more, and thought, since I'm an adult now, I can go to the store myself and buy whatever I can afford.

So thanks to reprints and trades, I was able to start from the very beginning and read every x-book ever (except for 20 or so non reprinted books from the 60's, and John Byne's hidden tales or whatever it was called).

If you start with Claremont's first x-book, and read up to his 1991 departure, there's a chance that you might get sucked into to something wonderful.

BUT, as I was rereading his old run, I was avoiding modern comics. So for me, Claremont was a breath of fresh air from Stan Lee's word heavy, over explained style. But today, when I compare Claremont to most modern writers, Claremont feels that his style has not grown to be on the same page.

Still, I agree, out of respect, let the man write what ever he wants.

**cmoney** · 06-09-2006, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Persevering Guy

My fondest memories of superhero comics come from Claremont's orginal x-men run.

After I saw the x-men movie, I got out my 1.5 long boxes of comics from 1991-1995 and reread all my x-books. I needed more, and thought, since I'm an adult now, I can go to the store myself and buy whatever I can afford.

So thanks to reprints and trades, I was able to start from the very beginning and read every x-book ever (except for 20 or so non reprinted books from the 60's, and John Byne's hidden tales or whatever it was called).

If you start with Claremont's first x-book, and read up to his 1991 departure, there's a chance that you might get sucked into to something wonderful.

BUT, as I was rereading his old run, I was avoiding modern comics. So for me, Claremont was a breath of fresh air from Stan Lee's word heavy, over explained style. But today, when I compare Claremont to most modern writers, Claremont feels that his style has not grown to be on the same page.

Still, I agree, out of respect, let the man write what ever he wants.

Good points. I enjoy the old-school Claremont stuff too, but ever since he came back a few years ago with that whole deal where all the X-books jumped forward a year or whatever, I just have not been able to get back into his style.

**Shepherd** · 06-09-2006, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Skippy the Fekkin' Leprechaun

I can see why someone wouldn't. Uncanny X-Men and X-Men are some of the few I have near complete runs of though, so I bought both his returns and didn't mind either, though the first one was pretty bad in places. But hey, if I can sit through Austen and Milligan, I can sit through some talking dinosaurs and weird bondage creatures

Yeah, I can't stomach Austen at all. I feel that he's just a bad writer. Claremont I don't think is necessarily bad, just not my style.

R

**YouStayClassy** · 06-09-2006, 06:06 PM

Claremont's current run has been pretty good I thought, at least compared to the one he did before Morrison took over X-Men (what the hell was going on there?)

The House of M was pretty shaky, but it's been all uphill since then for me. The man still has it. Can't wait to see what he does when he comes back to comics 100%.

Howlett · 06-09-2006, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Shepherd

Yeah, I can't stomach Austen at all. I feel that he's just a bad writer. Claremont I don't think is necessarily bad, just not my style.

R

Well, I wouldn't say I ouldn't stomach him, but oh sweet merciful jesus, was most of his stuff bad

If he had someone else writing his main plot and he dealt with secondary stuff like Juggernaut reforming, I'd have been happy. He may have sucked for the most part, but his work with Juggernaut and Northstar WAS pretty impressive.

**James Patrick** · 06-09-2006, 06:10 PM

Shareholder: What's that, Joey? Chris wants to do a book about a dude whose mutant power is levitating dog shit and throwing it at people?

Shareholders wife: Your royalty check for X-men 3 just came, honey. Should I deposit it right into that account for our house's new bowling alley?

Shareholder: Dog shit levitation it is, Joe!