This time I hit the 5 star before the kid could hit the 1 star, so his never registered.
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This week, we are reading / reviewing:
Marvel Team-Up #15 by Robert Kirkman and Paco Medina, chosen by Nathan Patton
Next week we will be reading: waiting for Frozen Sooner to pick
Our Reviewers are:
Thudpucker - 3
TIP - 5
TonyFleecs - 7.5
Kirby's Corpse - 3.3
dEnny - 8
J. R. Scherer - 5
Nathan Patton - 8
Frozen Sooner -
alan - 8
The Goddam Batman - 4
Raydawggie - 4
Opus Croakus - 8
JABSEN - 7.5
itsdlevy - 8
DrSettleton - 7
The Saint - 7
Slingy - 6
IamLegend - 7
joey pizza - 6
PeteL - 6
Doug - 5
Raphael - 7.5
Evan the Shaggy - 4
Our Previous 16 weeks of reviews (scores lost during the Image Board crash)
Week 1 - 11/17/04 – Captain America #1
Week 2 - 11/24/04 – Flash #216
Week 3 - 12/01/04 – Darkness Vol. 2 #17 (av grade 3.7)
Week 4 - 12/08/04 – Demo #12
Week 5 - 12/15/04 - Plastic Man #13
Week 6 - 12/22/04 – Goon #10
Week 7 - 12/29/04 - Legion of Super Heroes #1
Week 8 - 01/05/05 – Flaming Carrot #1
Week 9 - 01/12/05 – Majestic #1
Week 10 - 01/19/05 – Human Target #18
Week 11 - 01/26/05 – Conan #12 (av grade 8.3)
Week 12 - 02/02/05 – Black Panther #1
Week 13 - 02/09/05 – Young Avengers #1
Week 14 - 02/16/05 – Ex Machina #8 (av grade 8.4)
Week 15 - 02/23/05 – X-Men #167
Week 16 - 03/02/05 – Ultimate Iron Man #1
Week 17 pick - Shining Knight #1 (Morrison & Bianchi) av grade - 7.8
Week 18 pick - Invincible #21 (Kirkman and Ottley) av grade - 6.3
Week 19 pick - Expatriate #1 (Moore and Latour) av grade - 5.4
Week 20 pick - Temporary #2 (Hurd & Smith) av grade - 7.4
Week 21 pick - GLA #1 (Slott and Pelletier) av grade - 6.8
Week 22 pick - Nightwing #107 (Grayson and Hester) av grade - 5.8
Week 23 pick - Iron Ghost #1 (Dixon and Cariello) av grade - 4.9
Week 24 pick - City Of Tomorrow (Howard Chaykin) av grade - 6.2
Week 25 pick - Villains United #1 (Simone and Eaglesham) av grade - 5.7
Week 26 pick - Desolation Jones #1 (Ellis and Williams III) av grade - 8.9
Week 27 pick - Guardian #2 (Morrison and Stewart) av grade - 6.1
Week 28 pick - Adv. Of Superman #640 (Rucka and Kerschl) av - 6.1
Week 29 pick - Son Of Vulcan #1 (Beatty and Grant) av grade - 3.7
Week 30 pick - JLA #115 (Johns, Heinberg, Batista) av grade - 6.9
Week 31 pick - Wildsiderz #0 (Campbell and Hartnell) av grade - 2.9
Week 32 pick - Astro City: The Dark Age #1 av grade - 7.3
Week 33 pick - Albion #1 (Moore and Oakley) av grade - 5.0
Week 34 pick - Gotham Central #33 (Rucka, Brubaker, Kano) av - 8.5
Week 35 pick - Mutopia X (Hine and Medina) av grade - 5.2
Week 36 pick - Athiest #2 (Hester and McCrea) av grade - 6.9
Week 37 pick - JLA: Classified #10 (Ellis and Guise) av grade - 6.9
Week 38 pick - Justice #1 (Ross, Krueger & Braithwaite) av grade 7.9
Week 39 pick - The Winter Men #1 (Lewis and Leon) av grade 5.3
Week 40 pick - Batman: Journey into Knight #1 (Helfer & Huat) av - 4.4
Week 41 pick - Jack Cross #1 (Ellis and Erskine) av grade 6.1
Week 42 pick - Runaways #7 (Vaughan & Miyazawa) av grade 7.8
Week 43 pick - Ghost Rider #1 (Ennis and Crain) av grade 6.4
Week 44 pick - Thor: Blood Oath #1 (Oeming and Kolins) av grade 7.1
Week 45 pick - Wolverine #32 (Millar and Andrews) av grade 8.2
Week 46 pick - Losers #28 (Diggle and Wilson) av grade 7.4
Week 47 pick - FF/Iron Man: Big In Japan #1 (Wells & Fisher) av grade 5.6
Week 48 pick - F N Spider-Man #1 (David and Wieringo) av grade 7.3
Week 49 pick - Fin Fang Four #1 (Langridge & Grey) av grade 8.8
Week 50 pick - Book Of Lost Souls #1 (JMS & Doran) av grade 5.6
Week 51 pick - Hero At Large #2 (Hogan and Treece) av grade 6.3
Week 52 pick - DMZ #1 (Brain Wood) av grade 7.7
Week 53 pick - The Thing #1 (Slott and DiVito) av grade 7.5
Week 54 pick - Walking Dead #24 (Kirkman & Adlard) av grade 8.4
Week 54 pick - Generation M #1 (Jenkins and Bachs) av grade 7.3
Our higest average grade so far was for Desolation Jones #1 with 8.9
Our lowest average grade so for is Wildsiderz #0 with 2.9
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Last edited by Thudpucker; 12-17-2005 at 04:42 PM.
This time I hit the 5 star before the kid could hit the 1 star, so his never registered.
isn't it possible to find out who it was?Originally Posted by Thudpucker
I know who it is. (and I know who just gave it the second 1 star too)Originally Posted by The Goddamn Batman
spill itOriginally Posted by Thudpucker
Naw, it's all good.Originally Posted by The Goddamn Batman
The wierd thing is one of them used to be in the group a long time ago. I remember him going out of his way to thank me for starting it a few times. But I guess people change thier minds over time.
These two are going to do this every week, and only because they know it bothered me. So I'm never going to mention it again and I guess it will just be part of the group from now on, two 1 star greetings every week. *shrug*
Man, you know what's sad? I think I know EXACTLY who you're talking about. Just from my knowledge of thier actions. That's sad.Originally Posted by Thudpucker
How many times will....
spidey die this week? here, the other, zombies.... poor lil tyke...
Wow. This was probably the first issue of MTU I didn't like. I loved the use of third-rate heroes in the spotlight, but seeing all the Marvel heroes die horribly has no appeal to me, especially when we all know that it'll be retconned or reversed within issues, and will be completely contained in this issue. This seemed like real filler, and the fact that X-23 was on the cover and not in the comic annoyed me even more.4/10
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Damn that dEnny!Originally Posted by Thudpucker
On the one hand, I'm disinclined to like an arc that smacks of either dream sequence or alternate universe from the first page. Obviously, no one's letting Kirkland kill off all the major heroes. I'm also less than thrilled that not all of the characters on the cover actually appear in the book, but that's par for the course with Marvel covers these days.
On the other hand, it was a really fun read! The jokes were funny, the personalities felt true, and the small nods to other current books (mentions of Excelsior, Microbe from New Warriors, etc.) was great. And I wonder - this is the second book this month to pair Gravity with Luke Cage... what's that about?
The art was great too, which I think was particularly challenging given that I'm used to so many of the characters featured in this story drawn in different styles... Certainly it would look weird to put a page from the current New Warriors next to a page from Runaways next to a page from Gravity, but here those characters all look right sharing a book but don't feel drastically different from their current home books...
I didn't like the last issue of MTU I read (the Moon Knight one), but this has me intrigued enough to read next month as well. And while this wasn't so whiz-bang to recommend it to all my friends, it's a solid 8/10 with a promise to keep reading.
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Who gives a shit about X23? I just wanted to see Terror INC..... Ah well I'm just glad I might get to see him next month.Originally Posted by Raydawggie
This book is great, I've been on board since the beginning, it was my "people keep talking about this Kirkman guy, I'll give him a shot" book & I've yet to be disappointed by the book or by kirkman.
I like Medina on art here, the stuff he's doing these days works way better for me than the stuff he was doing just last year on academy X.
There were plenty of the nice little comic in-jokes & quips that I've come to expect from this title. Tender moments keeping the book personal even when it's the biggest this book's ever been as far as action, even bigger than the Titannus story.
And of course it was nice to see Hester & Parkes on a Marvel cover. Can't wait to see what those guys end up working on at the House of M.
I'll give this one a solid 7.5.
This is one of my favorite books on the market right now. It hasn't lost any of it's shine without Kol;ins, and Kirkman is handling every character he uses expertly, while creating some interesting villains in the processs. Not a bad issue, this one, just a bit more depressing than most. Everybody's dying, and that's not good. Usually, the stories are a bit more goofball than this, but it's still okay, just not as good as usual. The villain, Chronok, could be cool if this were in regular continuity [which i thought it was...],but he's just going to be another one-note guy...
...if this shifts to regular Marvel U. contiuity, this could be a much better story. Otherwise, it should be a fun one-off. I'll give this first issue a 7.
Marvel Team-Up #15
Fun stuff. Though I’ve read a bunch of Kirkman’s other stuff (LOVE Walking Dead & Invincible), I never picked up MTU. So I started with this issue and bought issue #1 as well. Both great.
Surprisingly, I found this to be a fun issue despite the numerous “deaths” of Marvel superheroes. Plus, any book that makes good use of Speedball is alright by me! Can’t wait to read the next issue.
The art was pretty good, especially considering the number of different costumes and gruesome events.
The bottom line: Very enjoyable. I’ll definitely be buying the next issue (as well as issues 2-14, one a week until I catch up).
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Gee, the Marvel Universe is sure easy to wipe out, eh?
I like this series, but this book is just over the top and is not working. The slaughter has no emotional impact and it's just silly how easily guys like Hulk and Iron Man are being wasted.
my score: 3.3
I liked it.
Of course it will be fixed but that didn't seem to stop people from liking Young Avengers first arc.
I own the trade but when I tried to read it I couldn't quite get into it. But I'll give it another shot sometime.
Anyway, I'm going with 8/10.
I thought the premise was great, and well thought out: time travellers are able to easily destroy Earth's greatest heroes due to their status in history; i.e., it's easy to know when, and where they are, and who they are. So, a time traveller could research when Hulk is Banner, pop in, and kill him easily. As such, only those heroes who don't make it in to the history books have a chance at defeating their would be conquerors.
Of course this is in continuity. It's time travel and can be reversed. How does the death of the Marvel heroes' deaths take away from the story? "It's only going to be reversed." Well, of course it is. That's the story: how these league of losers save the Marvel U. Who, because of their status as losers, won't be accredited for the save (no body will even know it happened if they do their job well, right?), therefore always never informing the time travellers of their role in defeating them. Hence their ability to save the world in the first place (because if the time travellers won, they'd already know about it in their own history books, right?).
Great start, I thought. I don't like the way the penciller draws noses, however. Everybody looks like a puppy dog to me.
That's what I felt too. I like alternate stories where the big heroes die, but there has to be a reason. A build up, some emotion, a threat that seems likely enough to actually be able to do it.Originally Posted by Kirbys corpse
The one that sank it in particular was Parker getting shot in the back by some bland soldier type. I mean come on, what was that? If you want to kill off hordes of heroes, fine. But do it right.
I thought I would like this story, I like the ise of it. But reading it was nothing but disappointing. going with a 3 as well.
Yeah, the heroes being wiped out so easily was pretty hard to swallow. I mean the Sentry died in an explosion? The Sentry? The guy who could probably fly into the sun and come out without a scratch?
Besides that, this is my first issue of MTU and I don't exactly know how this storyline was setup so its a little confusing. Nice to see some of the lesser known heroes getting the spotlight however.
I think this is an instance where you need to read the entire arc and that will impact how good this issue is.
I give it a 4/10 for now.
I actually enjoyed this issue quite a bit. I understood why Kirkman wanted to kill off the heroes in a quick manner, as to establish how desperate the situation was. It was a necessary part of the story so that he could put these B, C, and D listers in a position to save the world. Lord Chronok and his soldiers seemed a little bland, but I did enjoy the moment where he walked through his estimation of who died in the blast and him asking how he looked with Cap's shield.
Also, Kirkman's use of the continuity of the varioius characters was great. I loved to see Exelscior, albeit briefly, as well as Hank and Janet. Kirkman really shows that he has a deep understanding of what is currently going on with the Marvel Universe. Luke Cage and Gravity had a great moment in there as well, as did Darkhawk in his attempts to find his teammates.
The art was quite excellent as well. I had picked up the first few issues of the series, but dropped it due to the poor art. Medina pulled off the heroes, and Darkhawk especially well. My only gripe with the art was the last page, as it really didn't show me the urgency of Darkhawk's mission.
Marvel Team-Up #15 by Robert Kirkman & Paco Medina - Kirkman writes flat out fun comics and Medina's style works great. While I love the more serious works and the more serious superhero comics there is definitely a place for this type of book in my comic reading and on the comic shelves. Plus Kirkman utilizes lame characters in great ways, almost making them not lame...almost.
Story - 4
Art - 4
Overall - 8/10
Kirkman usually does right by me in most of his work BUT this issue found me on the fence mostly due to another Wipe Out All the Major Heroes storyline. Sure, it'll all be reversed somehow (and, seeing that this is the first part of a new arc, Kirkman may have a twist up his sleeve that will redeem the storyline) but a solid Meh from me. On the flipside, the art was great (love Paco's stuff...and I love writing out the name PACO for some reason. PACO. PACO. PACO. WEE!!!!).
I'll give this a middle of the road 5 out of 10.
It was an average book. I'm not a huge fan of any of the C or D Listers that this arc will be about (Gravity is the exception, I like seeing him again).
I really don't buy that the Sentry and Iron Man could be killed in an explosion. I'm also not thrilled that these bad guys are just generic soldires from the future. I was hoping for something like the Masters of Evil.
The art was okay, but not spectacular.
I'll give this a 5 out of 10 .
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This review is coming in real late. Sorry. This is the second issue of MTU that I've read. The first was the Invincible/Spidey issue.
I liked this issue. I'm not very familar with the c and d list characters, but it was an enjoyable issue. The slaughter seemed rather quick, no real emotional connection there. Could it have been a farce?
I'll check out another issue. I'll give it a 6/10.
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Although Kirkman is a favorite writer of mine, this title doesn't really knock my socks off. I've gotten both trades, and it's cool and all seeing the scale of the story especially in light of the old school Marvel Team up, but still it just seems like it's being phoned in. (With the possible exception of the Blade/Punisher issue).
This issue feels the same. I know I've seen this plot before. I don't really feel any sense of doom despite the deaths of all the big guns. I did like the bit where the bad guy is overjoyed that he now has Cap's shield. Beyond that, I'm sure that the collected edition will be fine enough. But there isn't much to grab anyone that isn't a rabid Speedball/Darkhawk/Gravity fan. And even then, they don't do much but dodge bullets and panic this issue.
I think that the art is part of the problem. It's serviceable enough, well colored, and conveys the action well. But it imparts no real impact or sense of panic despite the events depicted. Compare Brian Hitch or Frank Quitely's depiction of world invasions and mass destruction and you'll get what I mean. The cinematography is lacking and I need it to feel something.
Of course this book isn't aiming for that kind of mood, and it does hit what it's aiming for. But I walk away from this example of a light-hearted romp shrugging and saying enh. I know Kirkman can do better. I've read Invincible.
I was thinking that this kind of story can be done well, despite its clicheness. Galaxy Quest was just on this weekend and it used it pretty well. The Kulan Gath storyline from the early 80s Uncanny Xmen, and that had some great stuff in it. Or the recent Runaways future catastpophe timeline story. Or the classic Xmen Days of Future Past. Or even Punisher kills the Marvel Universe. The deaths felt like they had more weight and/or the dark humor came through. This one was tough to take seriously. It was still decently done, just lacked the impact it should have had.Originally Posted by Thudpucker
Marvel Team Up #15
So-so book. Nice artwork, and I like the general idea, but the execution is lacking. It''s not cool to see experienced heroes killed by no-name mooks armed just with ray guns and bombs. If there were some more creative ways of taking out the individual heroes I think it would've been a lot more entertaining. I may still take a look at the trade though, as I usually enjoy Kirkman's stuff quite a bit.
I'm gonna give this one a 5 out of 10. I didn't hate it, or even dislike it, but the actual comic certainly doesn't appear to be living up to the potential of the concept of the arc.