Ending Indian Mascots

**Taxman** · 08-24-2005, 07:58 PM

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/24/ldt.01.html

Originally Posted by CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT

Critics say the ruling is another example of hypocrisy by major college sports governing body. For example, the NCAA allows San Diego State teams to be Aztecs, because it couldn't find any organized tribe or group related to Aztecs. Of course they were wiped out by Spain. So apparently references to complete genocide are OK. But honoring tribes nearly exterminated is not.

**En Sabah Poo** · 08-24-2005, 08:02 PM

That's retarded. I don't even understand what point she's trying to make, I don't think she does either.

The fact is, if Native American tribes are upset by it, or if even some Native Americans are upset by it, they should be removed, and I'm from UND. There are lots of names you wouldn't use in terms of race, yet Native Americans have always been fair game for some reason.

**BlueNote27** · 08-24-2005, 08:03 PM

Yeah, my old high school is dealing with this right now. We're currently the Nokomis Warriors, but measures have been taken to steer us away from really using it. We can no longer have anyone dressed up like an Indian, we can't do "The Chop" and (quote) there can be no references to "Scalping of any kind in chants or on signs" at tourneys. Whatever.

**artimoff** · 08-24-2005, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by billthomason

That's retarded. I don't even understand what point she's trying to make, I don't think she does either.

The fact is, if Native American tribes are upset by it, or if even some Native Americans are upset by it, they should be removed, and I'm from UND. There are lots of names you wouldn't use in terms of race, yet Native Americans have always been fair game for some reason.

What about state names like Indiana & Illinois?

**Chinaski** · 08-24-2005, 08:07 PM

I think the first one that has to go is the Washington Redskins. That name is so offensive I cant imagine why there hasnt been more of an octcry over it. I mean Braves, Indians, Seminoles, those arent inherently offensive, but "redskins", that needs to go away.

I remember a joke that Chris Rock told about the washington redskins, he said something along the lines of that it would be the equivalent of having a team called the new york niggers. and that isnt an exaggeration.

**NickT** · 08-24-2005, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by billthomason

The fact is, if Native American tribes are upset by it, or if even some Native Americans are upset by it, they should be removed, and I'm from UND.

Define some.

**Taxman** · 08-24-2005, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by billthomason

That's retarded. I don't even understand what point she's trying to make, I don't think she does either.

The fact is, if Native American tribes are upset by it, or if even some Native Americans are upset by it, they should be removed, and I'm from UND. There are lots of names you wouldn't use in terms of race, yet Native Americans have always been fair game for some reason.

You see no hypocrisy or irony in the concept that if every member of a group is killed off, then it is all right to use their name.

**artimoff** · 08-24-2005, 08:11 PM

Man 1: As an indian, I'm offended by the name Washington Redskins.

Man 2: Why is that? What should they change their name too?

Man 1: The Maryland Redskins.

**artimoff** · 08-24-2005, 08:13 PM

The Seminole Nation actually offically endorses the use of the nickname.

Why no outrage over the use of "the Fighting Irish' or their leprachaun mascot? Fair is fair.

**Chinaski** · 08-24-2005, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by artimoff

The Seminole Nation actually offically endorses the use of the nickname.

Why no outrage over the use of "the Fighting Irish' or their leprachaun mascot? Fair is fair.

Well the whole Fighting Irish might be because the university was founded by or at least in part with, actual Irish people. I dont think there were too many Native Americans working with Florida state on the whole college thing there.