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    Re: Do men break up for normal reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corrina View Post
    Wow. If I never read anything by men, well, my choices would be, by comparison, few and tiny. (This is an example of what we were talking about in the much debate privilege thread. If I want a women's POV, I tend to have to look for it. Men's POV and stories are just there. All the time, absolutely unavoidable.)

    You watch Buffy, right? A number of female writers on that show, btw.
    Well, no, no Buffy for me. I think at the time it was airing, it wasn't on a good tv slot for me, and not intersting enough to make the time. I adored Niles, but all the others felt a bit too much like "teenager with powers", or just "teenager", in the case of that one dude that later lost an eye. I still remember the episode when he tried to have sex with a teacher who was some kind of paranormal insect, but that's it.

    Alas, the thing with reading stuff by women, I just never come across stuff that I like. That said, I will acknowledge that there would probably be an observer bias involved, so past experiences influence me to give less chances to female authors. That said, I'm not only reading stories with male protagonists. The Flavia de Luce novels are brilliant to my mind, and I own all of Terry Pratchett's stories about Tiffany the witch.

    But hey, I like Science Fiction and crime, and Fantasy if it ISN'T "Lord Sphendragon of Pyridias lifted his trusty sword, Joogaloo, to strike down the fearful dragon of Krautheim". So if you got any recommendations, I'll keep an open mind. Oh, and I have a special fondness for travel books, so I'd appreciate that as well.

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    For fantasy, Mercedes Lackey and Patricia Briggs are my go-to responses. For Briggs, start with Moon Called, Lackey it depends a lot on what you like, but Brightly Burning and Joust would be my go-to titles.

    And yeah, there are very few female sci-fi writers.
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    Re: Do men break up for normal reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corrina View Post
    Wow. If I never read anything by men, well, my choices would be, by comparison, few and tiny. (This is an example of what we were talking about in the much debate privilege thread. If I want a women's POV, I tend to have to look for it. Men's POV and stories are just there. All the time, absolutely unavoidable.)

    You watch Buffy, right? A number of female writers on that show, btw.
    Also, ladies manage to slip into a lot of places unannounced-I know a lot of episodes of The Shield and Deadwood were scripted by female writers just from paying attention to the credits.


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    Re: Do men break up for normal reasons?

    A good portion of the writing crew on Mad Men is female as well.
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    Re: Do men break up for normal reasons?

    Jane Eperson was the show running on Torchwood: Miracle Day


    Also wrote episodes for Battlestar Galactica, Game of Thrones, Caprica, Warehouse 13 (which she created), Firefly, Once Upon A Time and a crap load of other stuff.

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    Re: Do men break up for normal reasons?

    Some writers you should check out -- just off the top of my head:

    SF/Fantasy --
    C.L. Moore
    Lois McMaster Bujold
    C.J.Cherryh
    Anne McCaffrey
    Andre Norton
    Madeline L'Engle
    Mercedes Lackey
    Ursula K. LeGuin
    James Tiptree, Jr. (What can I say...? Some guys won't read SF written by a chick!)

    Mystery --
    Lindsey Davis
    Lynda Robinson
    Sparkle Hayter

    Seriously, dude -- You need to get out more...

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    Also, one of my favorite books, The Transit of Venus, was written by a woman named Shirley Hazzard. It's a romance, technically, but don't let the label deter you because it is actually one of the most beautifully written, ingeniously structured novels I've ever had the joy of reading.


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    Re: Do men break up for normal reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by t.c.johnson View Post
    Jane Eperson was the show running on Torchwood: Miracle Day


    Also wrote episodes for Battlestar Galactica, Game of Thrones, Caprica, Warehouse 13 (which she created), Firefly, Once Upon A Time and a crap load of other stuff.
    I will know Star Trek is REALLY coming back to TV when I see Espenson's name attached. There are rumors every so often but I think she's basically positioned as the one person in TV that you couldn't do a proper Star Trek TV show without involving. I'd also expect a fair number of Whedon-affiliated and Mad Men-affiliated actors, as you need actors who can walk a line between character and method and deadpan delivery of ridiculous dialogue. I've looked at a lot of them and thought that one of the real difficulties with Trek series from Voyager to Enterprise was that you could see the producers being out of touch by failing to nab the kind of cult actors who populated TOS, TNG, and DS9.

    I think, in a just world, you'd probably see Bruce Campbell, Dani Pudi, Fran Kranz, Summer Glau, Felicia Day, and Christina Hendricks all somehow involved in any future attempts at a televised Star Trek.

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    Re: Do men break up for normal reasons?

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    Seriously, dude -- You need to get out more...
    That's not entirely true. I am pretty sure that I have visited more foreign countries and have spent more time there than your bog-standard US-American, for example :P

    As for the books, I assume it's a combination of my prefered areas of interest not exactly being wrought with female writers and some bad luck when trying them out in the areas where they are more abundant. I'm also a bit peculiar. For example "Moon Called", which Hugin proposed up there, I looked it up and...I have to say, I cringed. It just seems like yet another case where stuff that is cool and hip right now gets thrown in and muddled around with a bit of mysticism to sex it up. Oh yeah, also, I'm just going to assume there is some sex in it. Because sex makes stories about werewolves and vampires more realistic, yano? I'll give it a chance, nevertheless.

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    Re: Do men break up for normal reasons?

    Of the authors Mike recommended, I'd start with Bujold. Jim Butcher is also a huge fan and if anyone thinks Tyrion from Game of Thrones is awesome has got to meet Miles Vorkosigan. (Not sure why you're annoyed at sex in stories. Butcher's got sex. So do a lot of other urban fantasy male authors.)

    I loved McCaffrey but she's dated. Still, I'm not sure one can really read any dragon books without knowing that McCaffrey's dragons are the gold standard. Lindsey Davis' Rome mysteries are great. Elizabeth Bear writes very intense tech-SF for one series. I don't know how anyone can consider themselves a well-read fantasy reader without Ursula K. LeGuin.

    And James Tiptree Jr.---well, there was quite an uproar when people found out that he was a she. No one had even guessed at that point. Fascinating person.
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