Cast of Avengers talk adding superheroines to The Avengers

[MacQuarrie]

They can't do an X-Men tie-in since the film rights to the X-Men are owned by another company. And the film writes to Scarlet Witch are apparently owned by both companies. (Presumably, they can have Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, but not mention that they are mutants or Magneto's children.)

The rights are owned by Marvel, but licensed to Fox. If Fox goes a certain length of time without producing a new X-Men movie, the rights revert to Marvel. Same with Daredevil, FF, Spider-Man, Ghost Rider....

[Hugin]

I just learned Punisher is back at Marvel. Now, he wouldn't work in an Avengers movie, but what about having him as a villain in one of the solo films? Not the main villain, but as an example of what can happen if a hero goes to far.

[Spiffy]

I just learned Punisher is back at Marvel. Now, he wouldn't work in an Avengers movie, but what about having him as a villain in one of the solo films? Not the main villain, but as an example of what can happen if a hero goes to far.

That would require him starting the story in a more classic hero mode, and that totally contradicts the character. He went straight from "soldier" to "whacked out nut job" and there was no stop in between.

[scs]

Quick points:

• Samuel L. Jackson has read The Pro. I am fucking impressed.
• Geena Davis is a helluva action movie star. Go see Cutthroat Island, her swashbuckling pirates and swordplay flick. I could almost vote for Geena Davis as Ms. Marvel in the next movie. But first, read on.
• You can't simply add more characters. It was a miracle of rare device that Whedon got so much characterization into The Avengers. To retain that, any new character, male or female, must displace someone.
• On the other hand, three words: Pepper Potts, Rescue.

...Ms Marvel...Monica Rambeau...

• If played by Tracie Thoms, she should be introduced in a Nextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E. film. Thoms was born to play that Ms. Marvel.
• If played by Gina Torrez, yes, yes, yes.

...a two minute scene, tops, that tells you everything that you need to know about two new characters...

My hat's off to you, sir. Nice formatting, too.

I don't really think they need to expand the caste...

Takin' that Mandarin thing a bit too literally, aren't ya?

[Spiffy]

Takin' that Mandarin thing a bit too literally, aren't ya?

- its the Internet. People ALWAYS invent their own spelling.

[Hugin]

That would require him starting the story in a more classic hero mode, and that totally contradicts the character. He went straight from "soldier" to "whacked out nut job" and there was no stop in between.

He operates as a comic book hero, though, in the broadest sense. He just goes too far. He has a costume, he operates outside the law to protect people and punish criminals, it's just that his punishment involves death instead of jail time. I'm not saying idolize him or anything, just that traditionally the second super-hero movie involves multiple villains and the protagonist struggling with what it means to be a hero. Punisher seems perfect as both an antagonist and a source of moral conflict.

[NickT]

The difference with Hawkeye though, IMO, is that even if he wasn't completely fleshed out in terms of his backstory and motivations, he was still just a human SHIELD agent. He didn't have mysterious powers or anything, he was just an agent who was really good with a bow. There isn't too much to explain on that front, whereas if you introduced another character who actually has superpowers, people in the audience would likely be wondering who the hell this person is and where they came from.

I think you're right. As well as another character just taking screentime away from other characters, you'd pretty much have to spend 10-20 minutes just explaining them.

Also keep in mind, the point of the movie is that superpowers are pretty much a new thing. The appearence of the Asgardians was a big deal to this world, that impact is weakened the more characters in a similar position already exist.



I have to say, I don't think I'll ever get why Wasp has such clamour for appearing beyond the fact she was an original. Ms/Captain Marvel seems an obvious choice, She-Hulk would be if she didn't have Hulk in her name, there's a few others with good reasons. Her, I'll never understand.

[Treacle]

Can I just say I have no interest in an Ant-Man movie?

I know he's one of the original Avengers and all that, but I don't see him having a very compelling story.

[NickT]

Can I just say I have no interest in an Ant-Man movie?

I know he's one of the original Avengers and all that, but I don't see him having a very compelling story.

I'd agree if it wasn't for Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish.

[scout1279]

I'd agree if it wasn't for Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish.

Yeah, I'm not interested in an Ant-Man movie. I'm interested in an Edgar Wright movie that happens to be about Ant-Man.