Justice For Trayvon

[Kingsmythe]

That is always kind of a philosophical nuke in any discussion, by nature quite inaccurate. "Innocent until proven guilty" pertains to the laws, however, the act itself is an entirely different thing. Zimmermann killed Trayvon. No one is disputing this, not even he himself. He is guilty in this regard. He is also guilty of having brought this situation about due to his racial profiling, as nothing could have made him suspicious aside from Trayvon Martin being a black youth in a hoodie.

The only question that remains is whether Trayvon had to die because he got scared and attacked his stalker with enough vigot to make the latter fear for his life, thus making the killing a matter of self-defense.

In my opinion, this is going to be about manslaughter. It is almost impossible to prove Zimmermann was acting out of maliciousness. But he DID bring this situation about that way, so the judgement should go into the higher end of the spectrum. Don't know how the laws in Florida are, but I'd guess he'll be in prison for five to possibly ten. Which is quite enough for being a racist scumbag, though I'd argue far too little for being a racist scumbag killer. Mind you, his time there shouldn't be all too happy. People like him have made very sure he'll find a lot of angry black men in there.

Yes, but it's the laws you're invoking when you say he should be "arrested, convicted, and put in prison." Without that part, why not just go vigilante and kill him yourself? End of the day, you don't know what happened that night any more than I do, because neither of us were there. That's what the trial is for.

Now before people leap to wrong conclusions, I think Zimmerman killed him, didn't need to, and should be punished, yes. I'm not defending him. But I am saying that we have trials for a reason, and we should wait on that, and the results on all the tests that don't come back in an hour like you see on tv. If you're really passionate about this case, attend the trial. If you can't do that, get a transcript, weigh what you hear, and make your own decision.

[Cam63]

This is why we pay professionals to be police.

[Gaelforce]

He is also guilty of having brought this situation about due to his racial profiling, as nothing could have made him suspicious aside from Trayvon Martin being a black youth in a hoodie.

Because there's absolutely no way he would ever be suspicious of a stranger with a hoodie...

You've just declared a man guilty of knowing what was in his head. Way to go Martian Manhunter!

Seriously, everyone assumes it was because Trayvon was black. In my neighborhood growing up, everyone knew everyone, so any stranger would get noticed. We're not talking a busy urban neighborhood but a suburban gated community.

How can anyone know for a fact to the point that they can declare someone guilty that Zimmerman, who was clearly paranoid based on all his 911 calls, was racially profiling? Has he called in white people in the past? Hispanic? Black? He's made how many calls to 911...how many of those were because he saw a black kid? And he didn't call up 911 and say there was a black kid in the neighborhood, just that there was a suspicious guy in the neighborhood. Based on his history of frequent calls, there's nothing in the fact that he made this call that strikes me as racially profiling. If this had been his only call? If he had a history of calling in only black people? (which he may have - I haven't heard)

He was an idiot. He followed Trayvon when he was advised not to and by doing so instigated/provoked/triggered an encounter that ended up with him killing Trayvon.

But until someone can read his mind, I'm not about to declare him guilty of racially profiling or being a bigot. I've yet to read anything in the man's history that says he's a racist (again, I may have missed something). Paranoid moron? Absolutely. Paranoid racist moron? Can't say til I learn more.

[zemo]

Because there's absolutely no way he would ever be suspicious of a stranger with a hoodie...

You've just declared a man guilty of knowing what was in his head. Way to go Martian Manhunter!

Seriously, everyone assumes it was because Trayvon was black. In my neighborhood growing up, everyone knew everyone, so any stranger would get noticed. We're not talking a busy urban neighborhood but a suburban gated community.

How can anyone know for a fact to the point that they can declare someone guilty that Zimmerman, who was clearly paranoid based on all his 911 calls, was racially profiling? Has he called in white people in the past? Hispanic? Black? He's made how many calls to 911...how many of those were because he saw a black kid? And he didn't call up 911 and say there was a black kid in the neighborhood, just that there was a suspicious guy in the neighborhood. Based on his history of frequent calls, there's nothing in the fact that he made this call that strikes me as racially profiling. If this had been his only call? If he had a history of calling in only black people? (which he may have - I haven't heard)

He was an idiot. He followed Trayvon when he was advised not to and by doing so instigated/provoked/triggered an encounter that ended up with him killing Trayvon.

But until someone can read his mind, I'm not about to declare him guilty of racially profiling or being a bigot. I've yet to read anything in the man's history that says he's a racist (again, I may have missed something). Paranoid moron? Absolutely. Paranoid racist moron? Can't say til I learn more.

Hey, fine. Then he doesn't shoot people because they're black, but because they wear hoodies and he thinks they look funny. Perfectly fine with me, he goes behind bars either way.

[Lester C.]

This is why we pay professionals to be police.

As a trained and licensed security officer with over decade of full time experience I have a plan if I ever get into a confrontation where I think the other party might be dangerous.

[Kingsmythe]

As a trained and licensed security officer with over decade of full time experience I have a plan if I ever get into a confrontation where I think the other party might be dangerous.

I was going to say something else here, but I really like this post so much I'll just say thanks for posting it. Gave me a good laugh.

[Craig C]

As a trained and licensed security officer with over decade of full time experience I have a plan if I ever get into a confrontation where I think the other party might be dangerous.

lol Bravo sir bravo

[t.c.johnson]

The National Socialist Movement, the country's biggest Neo-Nazi group in the nation, have sent armed members to patrol the streets of Sanford, Fl to protect it's white citizens from black violence.

Yeah, that combined with the Stand Your Ground law, I cannot even joke about how badly this is going to end.

[zemo]

The National Socialist Movement, the country's biggest Neo-Nazi group in the nation, have sent armed members to patrol the streets of Sanford, Fl to protect it's white citizens from black violence.

Yeah, that combined with the Stand Your Ground law, I cannot even joke about how badly this is going to end.

That seems rather illegal to me, considering they aren't even inhabitants.

[Craig C]

That seems rather illegal to me, considering they aren't even inhabitants.

Unfortunately that's never stopped groups like that before, hopefully saner people will start stepping up