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    Thoughts on ACTA (aka global SOPA) ??

    Ok, it's not exactly SOPA but it's dumb to argue the differences when most of the effects seem like they will be completely the same. During the SOPA blackout thread, i didn't really see many people mention it. So, although this isn't new, I wonder how many people here know. This has been in the works since 2008. The most horrible aspect of ACTA is that it's an international treaty, so it supersedes our national laws. Congress needs not get involved, just the President and his pen. Previously, Obama has signed an order shielding the text from the public for national security concerns. So for a while it was very difficult to get a copy of the text.

    Here are a few links to get anyone who hasn't been following up to date:


    ACTA Original idea, before a couple of small changes (Old concept):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_bER...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhCs0...eature=related

    Current concept:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=citzRjwk-sQ

    US caves on internet provisions:
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...ure-for-us.ars

    Final ACTA text:
    http://www.ip-watch.org/2010/12/06/%...-ahead-for-eu/

    Polish Protest ACTA earlier Today:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wir...8#.Tx92bfkma9J

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    Re: Thoughts on ACTA (aka global SOPA) ??

    It is not clear that ACTA can be passed without Congressional approval. Ron Wyden (who has also opposed PIPA very strongly) has been challenging the claim that the US Trade Representative has the authority to make the treaty binding for the US.

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    Re: Thoughts on ACTA (aka global SOPA) ??

    I still think it needs a little more attention, though. I dug up the official White House petition here: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...ernet/MwfSVNBK

    It might be worth taking a moment to sign or passing it along where you can.

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    Re: Thoughts on ACTA (aka global SOPA) ??

    More on ACTA:

    Thought SOPA Was Bad? 10 Reasons to Oppose ACTA

    Why ACTA Is Unacceptable

    ACTA was negotiated in secret – For me, this is reason enough to oppose any legislation or regulation. I don't care if it's the "Hugs for Puppies and Kittens Act," if people aren't given an opportunity to engage with their lawmakers about a law, it shouldn't be enacted.

    Ridiculous damages – ACTA specifies "presumptions for determining damages" that basically assume that all of the infringed goods had sold. To put it another way, ACTA takes the position that if a user uploads a song to a file-sharing network, damages should be calculated as if the recipients would have paid for the work in question. This is ridiculous, as has been explained any number of places. Many people who download illicit copies would simply never have purchased the work in question had it not been available for free.

    It may be unconstitutional – The Obama administration is claiming that ACTA not a treaty, but an "executive agreement" and thus not subject to legislative approval. As Rash notes in his eWeek piece, Congress does not agree.

    It's over-broad – It's worth noting that not all of ACTA is necessarily bad. Some of the agreement is targeted at countering counterfeit goods that may be actively harmful, like counterfeit prescription drugs. But ACTA goes well beyond single areas of intellectual property and essentially tries to bear-hug everything IP-related. Not good.

    The ACTA committee is not accountable – ACTA creates a body outside of national and even international bodies, called the "ACTA Committee." (At least the name is honest.) The committee would not be accountable to the people governed by the agreement. Folks in the United States can vote out Lamar Smith and others who endorsed SOPA/PIPA, but we would have no real influence on the ACTA Committee.

    Low threshhold for violations – As the European Digital Rights group points out (PDF), ACTA's unclear wording would make it very easy for unintentional copyright infringement to rise to the level of a criminal act.

    No fair use provisions – As this opinion on ACTA by Eddan Katz and Gwen Hinze notes, ACTA would "export one half of the complex U.S. legal regime" but "without accompanying exceptions and limitations." In short, ACTA would not include fair use provisions and such that we expect in the U.S.

    Criminalizes what used to be a civil offense – An opinion prepared by Douwe Korff and Ian Brown notes, "ordinary companies and individuals could be criminalised for innocent activities or trivial breaches of copyright, or for technical breaches that serve a wider, overriding public interest (as in whistleblowing), without an appropriate defence." The EFF says "If the real intent behind introducing expanded criminal sanctions is to address infringement on the Internet, this provision is not likely to do so, but is likely to cause significant collateral harm to consumers."
    Locks In DMCA-Like Provisions – As the EFF notes (PDF) in its submission to the USTR, ACTA would "lock in" some of the controversial aspects of the DMCA that require legal enforcement against circumventing copy protection, etc. In other words, don't get too set on the idea of jailbreaking that iPhone.

    ACTA could be used against legitimate medications – As I noted earlier, looking to crack down on counterfeit drugs is good. Going after legitimate "grey market" drugs, that's another story. Yet as Techdirt notes "there are very reasonable concerns that ACTA will be used to crack down, not on actual counterfeit medicines, but on "grey market" drugs – generic, but legal, copies of medicines. Some European nations, for example, already have a history of seizing shipments of perfectly legal generic drugs in passage to somewhere else."

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    Re: Thoughts on ACTA (aka global SOPA) ??

    https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...ments/VgZJGZMt

    5000 signatures, 20000 more needed.

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    Re: Thoughts on ACTA (aka global SOPA) ??

    You all better start passing this petition around, because it's been getting about 300 signatures a day and it will need 900+ signatures daily for the next 21 days to make it or you can all stick a fork in your internet. Especially with Lamar Smith morphing his SOPA bill into HR 1981.

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    Re: Thoughts on ACTA (aka global SOPA) ??

    Haw haw

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