Ray's 53rd DCU/GrayHaven Megathread - Beware the Court of OOMPHwls!!!

[chazbot]

Depends. There's still 9 DC books below I Vampire, and it's the most critically acclaimed of the 10 (OMAC is probably the next-best in that category). So if anyone gets a reprieve, I Vampire is the most likely.

Which is why it'd benefit them to have a nice, affordable trade of these "troubled" titles ready to go along with the seventh issue. Try to pull in some readers that have heard the praise and want an access point.

[Marc Lombardi]

Depends. There's still 9 DC books below I Vampire, and it's the most critically acclaimed of the 10 (OMAC is probably the next-best in that category). So if anyone gets a reprieve, I Vampire is the most likely.

I know a lot of this is fanboy speculation based on stories and articles from rumor-monger websites, but DC thinking of cancelling comics because not everything is in the top 100 is frustrating. I guess it comes from me being a fan of so many books in the 150-300 range (and below) -- books that would KILL to sell 19,000 copies -- that just confounds me.

[Marc Lombardi]

Which is why it'd benefit them to have a nice, affordable trade of these "troubled" titles ready to go along with the seventh issue. Try to pull in some readers that have heard the praise and want an access point.

That probably would work for me with Animal Man.

[Drkemerld73]

Which is why it'd benefit them to have a nice, affordable trade of these "troubled" titles ready to go along with the seventh issue. Try to pull in some readers that have heard the praise and want an access point.

It really is a shame that they're spreading the releases of the first collections over such a long period of time.

[Cth]

I mean, Wonder Woman is outselling Avengers.

I was curious, and did a quick check.. here's how things stack up..

Wonder Woman (original DCU) relaunched 2006
#1 - 132,580
#2 - 84,618
#3 - 76,998
#4 - 69,860
(7k drops)

Wonder Woman (at time of New 52 reboot)
#614 - 29,223

Wonder Woman (New 53) relaunched 2011
#1 - 76,214
#2 - 79,060
#3 - 65,621
#4 - 57,675

Furthermore:
11/2006: Wonder Woman #3 -- 76,998
11/2007: Wonder Woman #14 -- 53,090
11/2008: Wonder Woman #26 -- 33,277
11/2009: Wonder Woman #38 -- 26,265
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06/2011: Wonder Woman #611 -- 30,874 (- 0.4%)
06/2011: Wonder Woman #612 -- 30,690 (- 0.6%)
07/2011: Wonder Woman #613 -- 29,720 (- 3.2%)
08/2011: Wonder Woman #614 -- 29,223 (- 1.7%)

It's dropping quicker than it did last time, hopefully it stablizes soon.

As far as Avengers goes, the last 4 issue drops look like:
61,492
58,897
56,620
57,145

So it seems to have found it's core audience and stablized around that range.

And of note, the Avengers relaunch started at 163,867 (in 2010) so it's dropped quite a bit as well. Presumably it'll spike for the movie as well making the chart look like an EKG

But yeah, if you told people issue 4 of WW would outsell Avengers, no one would have agreed.

[Cth]

And in case anyone was curious how the other female superheroes stacked up, this guy has been keeping track:

13 WONDER WOMAN #2 $2.99 79,060

for comparison on other female-centric titles:

14 BATGIRL #2 $2.99 75,227

15 BATWOMAN #2 $2.99 74,392

29 CATWOMAN #2 $2.99 57,216

33 SUPERGIRL #2 $2.99 55,249

43 BIRDS OF PREY #2 $2.99 47,840

64 BUFFY TVS S9 #3 $2.99 36,448

66 HUNTRESS #1 $2.99 36,099

80 VOODOO #2 $2.99 31,221

[Ray G.]

And in case anyone was curious how the other female superheroes stacked up, this guy has been keeping track:

13 WONDER WOMAN #2 $2.99 79,060

for comparison on other female-centric titles:

14 BATGIRL #2 $2.99 75,227

15 BATWOMAN #2 $2.99 74,392

29 CATWOMAN #2 $2.99 57,216

33 SUPERGIRL #2 $2.99 55,249

43 BIRDS OF PREY #2 $2.99 47,840

64 BUFFY TVS S9 #3 $2.99 36,448

66 HUNTRESS #1 $2.99 36,099

80 VOODOO #2 $2.99 31,221

DC's actually had some real success with turning female heroes into headliners.

Except Voodoo.

I think part of Huntress' problem is that it doesn't feel like a DCnU title at all. She seems exactly like her pre-Flashpoint version without any changes.

[Ray G.]

I know a lot of this is fanboy speculation based on stories and articles from rumor-monger websites, but DC thinking of cancelling comics because not everything is in the top 100 is frustrating. I guess it comes from me being a fan of so many books in the 150-300 range (and below) -- books that would KILL to sell 19,000 copies -- that just confounds me.

I think they know this to some degree. What they're probably looking at are the titles that are just plunging, and don't seem to be finding their level at all. Especially the superhero titles.

Also, those who had creative team changes might be in trouble.

[Michael Blacklist]

Many fans of the series did. And the movies killed at the box office. And one of the best Star Wars comics ever used that exact revelation in it's story.

Have you seen the internet?


Also fans love them debating trade agreements that don't make sense!

I'm catching up with the thread slowly, but it should be noted that the very vocal contingent of online complainers are a real-life minority, especially in this case. I just received audience trackings at work showing that Phantom Menace 3D is tracking with 90% of 25-35 year olds planning on seeing it and 89% of teens wanting to see it. You don't get those types of numbers, ever.

[Ray G.]

I'm catching up with the thread slowly, but it should be noted that the very vocal contingent of online complainers are a real-life minority, especially in this case. I just received audience trackings at work showing that Phantom Menace 3D is tracking with 90% of 25-35 year olds planning on seeing it and 89% of teens wanting to see it. You don't get those types of numbers, ever.

Take down Avatar, Star Wars!