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    Re: AMC's The Killing Debuts April 3rd!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shwicaz View Post
    first let me address this:
    Spoiler:
    The poor schmuck felt like he lost his 'family'. He never was a part of it, but he was treated well. Once everything went to shit, as he said, everyone was gone. It was all lost. All because of (what he thought) was Richmond.


    As for the rest, FUCKING AMAZING. The 'swerve' as some call it, was awesome!!! Thank God it didn't go out like it was looking like it was...boring...everything resolved.....etc.

    Yeah, some unexpected awesomeness.

    You want shit that's off the hook, moves fast, and gets resolved every season, then watch Damages (another of my favorites)

    This shit, though, was pure awesomeness.
    Damages was actually well-plotted and thought out. The twists hit, but they had a master plan the whole time.

    Here, they're just piling crap on.

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    Re: AMC's The Killing Debuts April 3rd!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris McCarver View Post
    Caught this in the comment thread of Sepinwall's review: one commenter makes a really good point...
    Spoiler:
    Why the blue hell would Mitch just run off and leave their two boys with their dad who's out on bail and may do serious time for kicking the shit out of Bennet Ahmed?


    If there's any chance in hell they'll stick a honest-to-God fork in the Rosie Larsen mystery in EPISODE ONE of Season 2, I might be tempted to give this show a chance next year (I'm presuming we've got a nine-month wait till the premiere), but if they're seriously gonna drag this out for another thirteen episodes, I'm liable to just call it quits on this show. Which sucks, considering this is one of the very few procedurals my wife actually enjoys (or she did, up until the finale).

    I admit it was a ballsy move and kudos to the production team for not going the expected route, but I can't help feel a bit cheated still.
    I'm thinking Mitch is just going on a "walkabout" to clear her head and isnt "gone for good" gone, for the reasons you mentioned. She was also pretty toxic to everyone else while dealing with her grief and maybe needed a break, even if it seems really selfish.
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    Re: AMC's The Killing Debuts April 3rd!

    Quote Originally Posted by KSChris View Post
    I just want a show that doesn't lie to me, and tell me I can follow along and figure out who the killer is based on clues in the story..

    The show didn't 'lie to you'. As a matter of fact, that ending was pretty well telegraphed, if you look back and think about it.

    My theory:

    Spoiler:
    remember way back when, when I said that my 'out there' theory was that it was the current mayor?

    Well, only 2 groups would benefit from Richmond being 'taken down'. The current governor and the mob. We have seen both this season. Maybe one is working for the other..? Maybe that's not even right.

    BUT, looking at Holder....

    he shows up out of nowhere, a former narcotics cop. Even Linden asked her CO how he ended up THERE from undercover narcotics. Her CO mentioned something along the lines of someone 'calling in a chit'/favor and getting him PLACED there.

    Why was he placed there? We then see him getting handed envelopes, and talking on the phone saying things like 'shes pretty smart' (or something to that effect...in hindsight, he could have been talking about Linden)

    Then, she begins to question what he is doing get these envelopes passed around...and then there was the stuff that was leaked to the press in the early episodes that only the police could have leaked.

    Linden starts getting suspicious, and right as her suspicions are the most highest, suddenly she witnesses his 'confessional' moment at an NA meeting. Was that also staged? Did they intend for Linden to follow Holder there to gain her trust, and make her look like an ass for even suspecting, in the process?

    Didn't Holder say at the end "he's been taken down" or something to that effect? Make no mistake, HOlder was there to help take down Richmond, and we all bought into the act, because he was/is one of the 'lead' characters, and generally, the 'leads' are considered not to be involved in the killing.

    It was also the mayor that gave the photos of Richmond having an affair to Gwen (and, I am assuming, the press).

    Were he and Holder working for someone higher up, or was the mayor the man pulling all the strings?


    Either way, I'll be back next season.

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    Re: AMC's The Killing Debuts April 3rd!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris McCarver View Post
    Caught this in the comment thread of Sepinwall's review: one commenter makes a really good point...
    Spoiler:
    Why the blue hell would Mitch just run off and leave their two boys with their dad who's out on bail and may do serious time for kicking the shit out of Bennet Ahmed?
    Spoiler:
    Because she hasn't figured out that here sister is moonlighting as a prostitute?


    Quote Originally Posted by Chris McCarver View Post
    If there's any chance in hell they'll stick a honest-to-God fork in the Rosie Larsen mystery in EPISODE ONE of Season 2, I might be tempted to give this show a chance next year
    I cannot imagine this happening in anyway.

    Someone familiar with the original, that show's seasom was 20 episodes and this 13 where do they compare story arc wise in terms of at the end of the first season?
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    Re: AMC's The Killing Debuts April 3rd!

    This, from the A.V. Club review of the episode, wraps up my feelings pretty well:

    To get to the bottom of this, I decided to make a list (I was inspired by Holder, I guess) of all the far-fetched occurrences and unlikely coincidences that have taken place across the course of the season and—guess what?—it’s pretty damn long. If I have missed (or misrepresented) any, please weigh in, but here’s what I came up with. Brace yourselves:

    -Rosie’s best friend borrows her wig, then has sex with her boyfriend in the school’s dank basement, while bleeding profusely from her nose, while another guy wearing a devil mask records it on his phone.

    -Also, a pervy janitor named after the late Lyndon Johnson is watching the whole thing happen.

    -Said janitor turns out to be pedophile, jumps out of window, ends up in hospital.

    -Rosie's parents don’t call their daughter all weekend, detectives never find out why.

    -Other seemingly basic things Holder and Linden don’t do until well after Bennet is cleared: scour Rosie’s computer (as in, not just take a quick look at her internet history); check the fuel levels and mileage of the car in which her dead body was found; call cab companies to see if anyone picked up a girl fitting Rosie’s description.
    Stan buys house without telling his wife.

    -A teacher with a track record of dating his students also has an unusually close relationship with Rosie, but there’s nothing untoward going on between them.
    Bennet helps a young Somali girl procure a fake passport so she can flee to Canada to avoid ritual circumcision.

    -Somali girl hides out in a meat locker that has been converted into a bedroom, which Linden and Holder happen to discover at the exact same moment as an FBI raid.

    -Somali girl also just so happens to have the exact same T-shirt as Rosie.

    -Mitch waits a week to do laundry, so doesn’t find Rosie’s T-shirt until after Stan has beat the shit out of Bennet.

    -FBI agent leaves truck containing evidence unattended, door wide open.

    -Despite the fact that he’s facing murder charges, Bennet is unwilling to tell police what he was really doing the night of Rosie’s murder.

    -Mitch leaves her two surviving children in garage while car is running, forgets about them.

    -Between the school dance and her shift at the casino, Rosie felt the need to schlep out to Bennet’s house to return a book, even though she would have seen him Monday morning at school.

    -Bennet’s wife does not recognize the man who has already confessed to beating her husband into a coma, a man who is also the father of the girl Bennet was accused of killing.

    -Everything Holder has been doing all along has been part of an elaborate effort to frame Richmond.

    -Not 1 but 2 suspects in Rosie’s killing fall victim to acts of vigilante justice.

    -Creepy stalker Belko basically lives with Larsens and is infatuated with Rosie, but has nothing to do with her’s murder.

    -Neither does her sadistic ex-boyfriend.

    -Neither does Richmond, who is hung up on his dead wife, fixated with brunettes, and often says creepy, threatening things to escorts.


    And that's not even counting the jaw-dropping (or is it knee-slapping?) last-minute plot twist in this finale: the “nail” in Richmond’s coffin turns out to be a doctored photo that Holder whipped up in Photoshop (or the like). This is patently absurd. It's not as if a wrinkled color copy from Kinko’s—and not, you know, actual footage—would hold up before a grand jury. It's also highly unlikely that no one would ever notice that the surveillance camera from which the screengrab was supposedly taken hasn’t been working in three months. When it comes to framing people for murder, Holder is apparently just as sloppy as he is at investigating them.
    But most importantly

    I can’t help but feel like the writers went into this season without a long-term vision for the season. It’s unlikely this is the case, but it does feel as if they just made up the scripts as they went along, without knowing all along how the investigation would be resolved. The Killing feels improvised, and on a serial murder mystery, that’s a bad thing.
    Holder claims that he hasn’t heard back about the surveillance footage from the toll booth, so Linden tells him to submit a request using her badge number. On board the plane, she gets a phone call (in the middle of the night?) from highway patrol regarding the footage, which means that Holder, despite trying to frame Richmond, must have submitted the request, using Linden's badge number and contact information, all but guaranteeing that his cover would be blown.
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    There wedre like two "far fetched coincidences" in that list that seem far fetched to me. Among other things, the writer really doesn't seem to have a grasp on the fact the show only covered two weeks worth of time.

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    Re: AMC's The Killing Debuts April 3rd!

    Quote Originally Posted by BriRedfern View Post
    There wedre like two "far fetched coincidences" in that list that seem far fetched to me. Among other things, the writer really doesn't seem to have a grasp on the fact the show only covered two weeks worth of time.
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    Re: AMC's The Killing Debuts April 3rd!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shwicaz View Post
    The show didn't 'lie to you'. As a matter of fact, that ending was pretty well telegraphed, if you look back and think about it.

    My theory:

    Spoiler:
    remember way back when, when I said that my 'out there' theory was that it was the current mayor?

    Well, only 2 groups would benefit from Richmond being 'taken down'. The current governor and the mob. We have seen both this season. Maybe one is working for the other..? Maybe that's not even right.

    BUT, looking at Holder....

    he shows up out of nowhere, a former narcotics cop. Even Linden asked her CO how he ended up THERE from undercover narcotics. Her CO mentioned something along the lines of someone 'calling in a chit'/favor and getting him PLACED there.

    Why was he placed there? We then see him getting handed envelopes, and talking on the phone saying things like 'shes pretty smart' (or something to that effect...in hindsight, he could have been talking about Linden)

    Then, she begins to question what he is doing get these envelopes passed around...and then there was the stuff that was leaked to the press in the early episodes that only the police could have leaked.

    Linden starts getting suspicious, and right as her suspicions are the most highest, suddenly she witnesses his 'confessional' moment at an NA meeting. Was that also staged? Did they intend for Linden to follow Holder there to gain her trust, and make her look like an ass for even suspecting, in the process?

    Didn't Holder say at the end "he's been taken down" or something to that effect? Make no mistake, HOlder was there to help take down Richmond, and we all bought into the act, because he was/is one of the 'lead' characters, and generally, the 'leads' are considered not to be involved in the killing.

    It was also the mayor that gave the photos of Richmond having an affair to Gwen (and, I am assuming, the press).

    Were he and Holder working for someone higher up, or was the mayor the man pulling all the strings?


    Either way, I'll be back next season.
    my counter to your holder theories

    Spoiler:
    i have a feeling Holder might just be a shitty cop that concocted evidence to send richmond up shit creek. he wanted him to get caught so bad he would do anything. if holder was a plant why do the scene with the prostitute in the hotel and have him be surprised by the reveal with the billboards.

    i think it is drexler that did it and he paid/threatened the chick to say it was richmond. i also think drexler made richmond ditch the body for him. why? friends help you move in, real friends help you move a body.
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    Re: AMC's The Killing Debuts April 3rd!

    About one AV quibble:

    Holder claims that he hasn’t heard back about the surveillance footage from the toll booth, so Linden tells him to submit a request using her badge number. On board the plane, she gets a phone call (in the middle of the night?) from highway patrol regarding the footage, which means that Holder, despite trying to frame Richmond, must have submitted the request, using Linden's badge number and contact information, all but guaranteeing that his cover would be blown.
    Or he just framed Linden by connecting her to fake evidence.

    We were so frustrated with Linden and Holder's boss constantly deriding her efforts that we now think he's in cahoots with Holder.
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    Re: AMC's The Killing Debuts April 3rd!

    So yeah, I gave myself a day out of this thread and actually watched the finale (or rather, I was in the room while my wife did). Still an awful show, but at least I was ready for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gregory View Post
    About one AV quibble:



    Or he just framed Linden by connecting her to fake evidence.

    We were so frustrated with Linden and Holder's boss constantly deriding her efforts that we now think he's in cahoots with Holder.


    Or by doing something so easily debunked by Linden, he's sent her a message that other agendas are in play and he's warning her. Isn't it more in the spirit of what we've seen so far to simply make you think Holder's a bad guy only to make him sympathetic again a few minutes into the next episode? Part of people's frustrations with the show is that the writing isn't decisive. I have no faith that the writers have a plan. Do you want Richmond to have been shot in the end? Do you want him not to have been shot? Either one is possible on a dime's turn, because the writer's weren't decisive enough to pull the trigger (unlike, say, one of AMC's better shows). They want to "explore possibility" rather than tell a story.

    Other than that has anyone seen the NY Times articles on The Killing finale? Ginia Bellafonte, (recently famous for her review of Game of Thrones in which she said that the sex scenes (the ones consisting mainly of naked women) were only included in that show to garner female interest) wrote a glowing review of the finale where she insists the case was closed (for the audience) followed by a defense of that review. Thoughts?
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