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    Owner of Heavy Ink gets his guns taken away, people cry foul on free speech

    So, this:

    http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/0...zona-shooting/

    The comments section is interesting, mind you. I mean, the guy makes a comment that is only a hair's width away from actually threatening politicians' lives, then the police shows up and DOES find loads of guns, and people still say he's got a right to act as he did. I think "freedom of speech" has become synonymous for "not taking responsibility for your words".

    On the upside, this is for those people that think whatever is written on the Internet somehow doesn't count. The folks from comicsalliance.com ARE reporters, what they write informs people and makes them think. Props to them.

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    Re: Owner of Heavy Ink gets his guns taken away, people cry foul on free speech

    Am I misunderstanding things? Because the Second and First Amendments AREN'T THE SAME THING...

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    Re: Owner of Heavy Ink gets his guns taken away, people cry foul on free speech

    True dat. Way I see it he made a threat, especially considering the climate he made his statement in. This is not covered by the first amendment. And since he, by stating a threat, has proven that he is liable to abuse his second amendment rights, he got his guns taken away from him. The first amendment doesn't even come into play here.

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    Re: Owner of Heavy Ink gets his guns taken away, people cry foul on free speech

    Freedom of speech has limits.

    This is, and should be, one of them.

    If people don't like it, they are free to not like it.
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    Re: Owner of Heavy Ink gets his guns taken away, people cry foul on free speech

    There's a discussion about it here: http://www.606studios.com/bendisboar...d.php?t=202730

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    Re: Owner of Heavy Ink gets his guns taken away, people cry foul on free speech

    The reporter from this guy's area wrote me last night and asked my comments for this story. Why she picked me, I have no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gail Simone
    The reporter from this guy's area wrote me last night and asked my comments for this story. Why she picked me, I have no idea.
    This whole thing started with a comicalliance.com editorial. The editorial featured, in large typeface, your tweet about the guy having no soul.

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    Re: Owner of Heavy Ink gets his guns taken away, people cry foul on free speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiffy View Post
    Am I misunderstanding things? Because the Second and First Amendments AREN'T THE SAME THING...
    Right Wing America has had a hard time understanding the difference between having your free speech rights trampled on and having people react to your free speech.

    No one ever said Sarah Pailin didn't have the right to use horrible rhetoric. She does. Other people, also in possession of a right to free speech, then challenge that horrible rhetoric. That's not infringing on her rights, its exercising theirs.

    No one is saying that Heavy Ink dude doesn't have the right to say stupid shit, but we can say that his stupid shit has us just a little bit worried about what he'll do with his fire arms. We should probably exercise the "well regulated" part of the second amendment just to be safe.
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    Re: Owner of Heavy Ink gets his guns taken away, people cry foul on free speech

    Quote Originally Posted by SidekicksRevenge View Post
    Right Wing America has had a hard time understanding the difference between having your free speech rights trampled on and having people react to your free speech.

    No one ever said Sarah Pailin didn't have the right to use horrible rhetoric. She does. Other people, also in possession of a right to free speech, then challenge that horrible rhetoric. That's not infringing on her rights, its exercising theirs.

    No one is saying that Heavy Ink dude doesn't have the right to say stupid shit, but we can say that his stupid shit has us just a little bit worried about what he'll do with his fire arms. We should probably exercise the "well regulated" part of the second amendment just to be safe.
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    Re: Owner of Heavy Ink gets his guns taken away, people cry foul on free speech

    Part of the reason people are objecting I suspect is that they have incomplete information. What got the most publicity was his line "It is absolutely, absolutely unacceptable to shoot 'indiscriminately'. Target only politicians and their staff, and leave regular citizens alone." That sentence isn't a threat, it's just terrible. The police are reacting to his "1 down, 534 to go" remark, which is a threat.

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