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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Dream View Post
    Honestly, those should be illegal as well, especially tobacco. I think the only reason why they aren't is because our society is already addicted.
    Our society is already addicted to food, TV and video games among many other things. Addiction is not curable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HamsterRage View Post
    Our society is already addicted to food, TV and video games among many other things. Addiction is not curable.
    Unfortunately.

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    I'm sure that would have been a great comfort to one of my friends who nearly lost her leg in a car accident and actually DID lose her two sons -- aged 5 and 8.

    The guy who hit them head on was higher than a kite.

    Would have been nice if he had been stopped BEFORE he caused the deaths of two little boys.

    I'm sorry to be bitchy about this but I went to the funeral and saw the little coffins. It was hearbreaking. And my friend had been a hairstylist working at a salon and she eventually had to quit because her leg (which is more metal, pins and screws now than bone) wouldn't take the hours of standing she had to do as a stylist.

    It's fine if they would only hurt themselves. But they don't. Not always.
    As others have alluded to, it is currently illegal to drive while drunk on alcohol. I assume it would similarly be illegal to drive while high on weed. Or operate any other heavy machinery, or be a fireable offense showing up to work toked up - just like how you can't do any of those things while under the influence of alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CougarTrace View Post
    nope. It shouldn't be legal.

    I've seen it be a gateway (and I know some don't believe that is and I don't want to get into that tired discussion) drug to other more serious narcotics.

    Wonder how they would amend the DUI laws for this if it was ever legalized
    Most DUI laws even technically cover legal drugs and some even include things like sleep deprivation.

    I think it's a gateway because it's sold by criminals and criminals sometimes want to push more expensive drugs. It's just as illegal to carry meth or crack and more profitable. So the illegality of pot creates channels for harder drugs that pot dealers end up incentivized to push if they're extra unscrupulous.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Gerard View Post
    Most DUI laws even technically cover legal drugs and some even include things like sleep deprivation.

    I think it's a gateway because it's sold by criminals and criminals sometimes want to push more expensive drugs. It's just as illegal to carry meth or crack and more profitable. So the illegality of pot creates channels for harder drugs that pot dealers end up incentivized to push if they're extra unscrupulous.
    I'm sorry, but I think you're seriously wrong here.

    While I'm sure there are some drug dealers who consider themselves the Wal-mart of illegal substances, the typical pot dealer (who is very likely young, male, middle class, and suburban) is probably not also dealing in meth and crack. I mean, the typical pot user has next to nothing in common with the typical meth addict or crack addict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treacle View Post
    I'm sorry, but I think you're seriously wrong here.

    While I'm sure there are some drug dealers who consider themselves the Wal-mart of illegal substances, the typical pot dealer (who is very likely young, male, middle class, and suburban) is probably not also dealing in meth and crack. I mean, the typical pot user has next to nothing in common with the typical meth addict or crack addict.
    No. The TYPICAL one isn't.

    And I don't think the typical business man is Bernie Madoff either.

    I was responding to the gateway idea.

    The average pot dealer seems to be pretty average.

    But you get enough of these people used to unscrupulous or illegal channels and you do wind up with SOME who start holding other, harder drugs. I think pot is only a gateway drug in that its illegality creates contraband distribution networks that also funnel other drugs and funds terrorism.

    Not your average pot dealer. But the infrastructure created by "bootlegging" pot creates inroads for the more unscrupulous pot dealers and drug traffickers.

    Legalize pot and I think you'll see a decline in the accessibility of harder drugs and a decline in financing for terrorism. Because those people are piggybacking off the fringes of illegal pot distribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Gerard View Post
    No. The TYPICAL one isn't.

    And I don't think the typical business man is Bernie Madoff either.

    I was responding to the gateway idea.

    The average pot dealer seems to be pretty average.

    But you get enough of these people used to unscrupulous or illegal channels and you do wind up with SOME who start holding other, harder drugs. I think pot is only a gateway drug in that its illegality creates contraband distribution networks that also funnel other drugs and funds terrorism.

    Not your average pot dealer. But the infrastructure created by "bootlegging" pot creates inroads for the more unscrupulous pot dealers and drug traffickers.

    Legalize pot and I think you'll see a decline in the accessibility of harder drugs and a decline in financing for terrorism. Because those people are piggybacking off the fringes of illegal pot distribution.
    Yeah, but you could say the same for any other morally contentious activity...like gambling. The average gambler is just that...average. But some gamblers aren't and they wind up committing crimes to keep up their addiction. Some of the money from gambling creates an infrastructure that allows for other bad things, like trafficking of people and accessibility to harder drugs. Get rid of gambling and you'll also get rid of social evils x, y, and z.

    These are hyperbolic statements and if you're talking about the best use of limited resources, expending millions of dollars on prosecuting people for an innocuous substance like marijuana isn't one.

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    You've also got to consider all the people in jail just for weed and the tremendous damage it does to their lives and our horrible prison system, as well as the courts. Sure would be nice to clean a lot of that up.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Russell Crowe View Post
    You've also got to consider all the people in jail just for weed and the tremendous damage it does to their lives and our horrible prison system, as well as the courts. Sure would be nice to clean a lot of that up.
    Not to mention some of the class-based unfairness inherent in our legal system.

    If you're rich and caught with weed, you'll get off with some probation and community service.

    Poor and caught with weed, off to jail you go.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Yeah, but the typical pot dealer is BUYING the drugs from someone, who (at least back home, and as well here in Sydney) is usually bikie gang related. I made the big mistake of going on a pickup run with a friend once, and ended up in a southern ontario bike gang clubhouse. NOT THE PLACE YOU WANT TO BE. He just wanted pot (and he was fairly high up on the food chain, and parcelled off and sold what he got to other typical dealers) but the coffee table covered in Coke? Yeah. They sold a lot, and they control a lot of the drug industry.
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