Doctor Who--Warning Up-To-Minute Spoilers Included

**Teal_Lantern** · 03-18-2011, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenwing263

Oh, I think the quality has plummeted.

Not for lack of the actors' trying, I think we're getting really great performances out of all three of them, but I think the quality of writing has shot down something fierce.

I'm the opposite actually, I think the show has gone way up since the new guy took over.

**Ravenwing263** · 03-18-2011, 02:29 PM

That's a very popular opinion, no matter how baffling I find it.

**Teal_Lantern** · 03-18-2011, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenwing263

That's a very popular opinion, no matter how baffling I find it.

I did think Davies was good, just not as great. Although I do miss how me tried to incorporate characters of different races and sexual orientations.

**Stressfactor** · 03-18-2011, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Teal_Lantern

I did think Davies was good, just not as great. Although I do miss how me tried to incorporate characters of different races and sexual orientations.

This part I agree with but Moffat's run gave us a black queen, the doctor Rory was working under at the Leadworth hospital was of Indian descent and so was the scientist in "The Hungry Earth/In Cold Blood".

So we did get a number of women of other races and, in point of fact all of them were women and all of them were educated and/or of high administative position.

That ain't too bad.

ETA: And Amy is the first female companion I've really felt OWNS her sexuality in a very healthy way.

ETA: And where I often felt Davies fell down was on his endings. Often I was into a story right up until the end and then... that was where he lost me. It either went too bombastic or it ended up going to far and breaking my suspension of disbelief or else I felt let down.

**Teal_Lantern** · 03-18-2011, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Stressfactor

This part I agree with but Moffat's run gave us a black queen, the doctor Rory was working under at the Leadworth hospital was of Indian descent and so was the scientist in "The Hungry Earth/In Cold Blood".

So we did get a number of women of other races and, in point of fact all of them were women and all of them were educated and/or of high administative position.

That ain't too bad.

ETA: And Amy is the first female companion I've really felt OWNS her sexuality in a very healthy way.

ETA: And where I often felt Davies fell down was on his endings. Often I was into a story right up until the end and then... that was where he lost me. It either went too bombastic or it ended up going to far and breaking my suspension of disbelief or else I felt let down.

Never thought of all those guys actually, fair enough. I guess I never thought of them because they weren't part of the main cast.

Agree on the endings, Davies seem to be almost a bit like Wheodn on them. Sometimes it worked, but other times I rolled my eyes at the depths they went to to make it sad.

**Ravenwing263** · 03-18-2011, 05:44 PM

I don't buy for a second that Amy owns her sexuality in a healthy way.

Compared to all of Davies' Companions - mostly Martha, but all of them, even Rose - Amy's need to constantly talk about her sexuality and make out with the Doctor all the time and the serious Male Gaze shit that went on last season that was largely absent from the previous seasons, I would say that Moffat's Doctor Who has a considerably less healthy outlook on female sexuality then Davies' Doctor Who.

**Greg S** · 03-21-2011, 09:00 PM

The season I saw had ONE SCENE where Amy tried to make out with the Doctor and he rebuffed her. In what universe did she "make out with the Doctor all the time"?

**Stressfactor** · 03-22-2011, 01:58 AM

Well, Amy did make that joke about "having a snog in the bushes" after her wedding reception when she and Rory came back to the TARDIS but that was a *joke*.

Everything from "Amy's Choice" through to the end showed that she was devoted enough to Rory that the thought of living without him was painful enough to contemplate suicide.

Even when Rory had been erased from history a part of Amy could not forget him and was miserable without him.

**Alan Lynch** · 03-22-2011, 05:47 AM

I don't see how Rose can be compared favourably to any companion since the show returned. In any way. Rose's pining for the Doctor reached such heights I'm not sure if it was meant as some sort of joke - it was awful to watch. Amy kind of fancied him, but not at the expense of literally everything else in the universe.

**Stressfactor** · 03-22-2011, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Alan Lynch

I don't see how Rose can be compared favourably to any companion since the show returned. In any way. Rose's pining for the Doctor reached such heights I'm not sure if it was meant as some sort of joke - it was awful to watch. Amy kind of fancied him, but not at the expense of literally everything else in the universe.

Well, I think part of it was, as some people on other boards pointed out, Rose wanted to be with the Doctor forever and ever while Amy said it herself "Who's talking about a relationship?" Amy figured a fling and be done with it. She wasn't really *in love* with the Doctor. But also, at that point, it needs to be said that Amy had just very nearly died, been through a horrible, frightening experience, and was also really nervous about whether she really loved Rory enough to marry him.

Once Amy got settled, once situations forced her to see the truth, she felt much more secure in her love for Rory.

Although I think RTD did Martha the least favors. If Rose pined for the Doctor then Martha was a walking unrequited love. The big thing was just the sheer amount of time and crap she put up with before she finally got past it.

Donna was probably one of the most stable emotionally since all she wanted from the Doctor was friendship and that's what she got.