This has to stop.

[Michael-Deery]

The writers guides the story, whoever does that get's the top billing. That's why in film Directors get the top billing instead of writers and why in TV writers get the top billing.

But Maleev not even being on the cover is utter bullshit

[Mikie]

No worries.

It looks like we largely agree here, both of the ideal situation and the position of the publisher.

A freelancer needs to consider all things towards developing their career and fan base. I'm not suggesting they engage in some sort of fight to the degree that they might damage their career or relationship over this as often just starting the discussion would be enough to get things opened up.

I haven't encountered any unreasonable people working in comics marketing -- there certainly may be some, but I think the job requires a mindset that is receptive to a dialog of this sort.

Fair enough.

BTW - was this the first amicable resolution to a debate on this board? I don't think I've ever seen one before today.

[Patch]

Damn, now that you've let the bag out of the cat, Patch's secret plan to defect to his new company after working with a super-sized cover credits at Marvel for the next couple of years is now revealed.

~R

Yikes

Contrary to strong opinions about writer-artist relationships, I'm enjoying the work I'm doing at Marvel now more than I have in years.

[CylverSaber]

Damn, now that you've let the bag out of the cat, Patch's secret plan to defect to his new company after working with a super-sized cover credits at Marvel for the next couple of years is now revealed.

~R

We HAVE to stop these artists from getting swelled heads. Back in your place, pencil jockey!

P.S. I stole that term from an interview with the late, great Mike Wieringo:

Wieringo: I was pretty much strictly the artist on Fantastic Four. There was really never much opportunity for me to have much, if any, input. There were a few scattered moments when I was able to make suggestions that would help to facilitate something logistically that Mark wanted to do in a particular story-- but for the most part, I was just a pencil jockey, really.

Comixfan: Pencil jockey; that's funny.

Wieringo: Art monkey; Wrist-for-hire; Have pencil-will travel--- there's a ton of them. But I think these terms stem from the fact that the trend has been for quite a while now that the 'vision' for the comic book is strictly that of the writer, and the art team is simply there to make that vision real on paper. The 'Marvel method' of creating comics has gone the way of the Dodo, really. All scripts done for Marvel are now, like at DC, done in full-script form, so unless the writer is feeling generous enough to bring the penciler in on the initial writing of the story (and there's little or none of that happening), then the penciler is relegated to the status of 'flunky', in my humble opinion. And for someone like me, who spent his childhood writing and drawing his own stories-- and who has been in a very collaborative relationship on a creator-owned project as I was with Todd Dezago on Tellos, it's a bitter pill to swallow to have to return to being relegated to nothing more than (fill in the blank with any of the aforementioned terms). Frankly, it's taken much of the joy of drawing comics out of the process for me.

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/...ad.php?t=33022

[Jef UK]

Re: DC's digital comics:

Credits are curious. They only show the writer, and then you have to click on a down arrow to drill down on the rest of the creative team. At the least, you'd think the writer and artist should be available without touching anything else. Also, the creator lists aren't linked to the creator's available comics. That's available, but again separately.

From Pipeline: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=26839

[Richard Pace]

y!

P.S. I stole that term from an interview with the late, great Mike Wieringo:

Frankly, it's taken much of the joy of drawing comics out of the process for me.

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/...ad.php?t=33022

That was one of the ongoing threads that ran through the talks we had the last few years. He really felt shut out of part of the creative process that really appealed to him and attracted him to comics in the first place.

As much as he appreciated the skill of the writers he was working with, he felt there was a certain amount of ego/fear on their side that kept them from letting him into the earlier stages of determining the story content.

He expressed regret over a few decisions he made that he felt limited his options and opportunities toward writing his own stuff, but I think much of that was just insecurity. I really don't think Mike ever realized how well-liked he and his work was by fandom and the rest of the industry.

I really, really miss Mike.

[Jonathan Callan]

The writers guides the story, whoever does that get's the top billing. That's why in film Directors get the top billing instead of writers

There are not words for how silly this is. Directors guide the story?

They get top billing in film for the same reason writers do in comics: they have more juice.

[NeverWanderer]

This felt like the right place to post this.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/07/...-at-san-diego/

Red is a new movie starring Bruce Willis and Helen Mirren, based on the comic book series by Warren Ellis and Cully Hamner. But production studio Summit Entertainment seem to have forgotten that very last bit.

At the immense San Diego Comic Con this month, Summit is flying in comic writer Warren Ellis for the hour-long RED panel in Hall H, alongside Willis, Mirren and more. Artist Cully Hamner however, hasn’t even contacted.

He’s at the convention anyway, as it happens. But Summit don’t seem to care. He’s not on the panel, not invited to any of the junkets.

Summit are still keen to remind anyone who will listen that Red is based on a comic. They just seem to have forgotten that anyone drew it.

Of course there’s nothing that a movie company responds quicker to than public embarrassment. So here’s where you come in… I want this Digged, Delicioused, Retweeted, Stumbled Upon, the lot. Post links in all message boards, comics, film, games, toys, carpentry, religious science, needlecraft, jellyfish the lot. The aim? Get Summit Entertainment to do the right thing.