I am like this close to saying "Ok, Infinite Crisis, you win. I give up." This thing is too big. Its overwhelming. As a fan and especially as a retailer. Everything has to do with everything. DC expects everyone to be aware of everything (yet is still slow on the tpbs but not selected reprints). Five multi-part mini series, any one of which in the past would have been the summer event, 7 Soldier which is apparently setting the groundwork for the post-Infinite Crisis DC (Morrison = Julie Schwartz?), and a good 80% of monthly super hero comics having very real tie ins/ lead ins. Come on. Granted this so far is not a crap storyline like say Genesis or a fizzle like Worlds at War. This is the kind of thing we usually complain we never get. Things actually happening and reasonably tight continuity between titles. But is anyone else feeling kind of "BEEYARGHHH!" about it? Especially after reading this week's solicitations (don't read if you don't wanna know):
Spoilers:
Batman #546
The startling revelation of the Red Hood's identity leads Batman on a quest for answers. Could it really be Jason Todd cutting a swath through the Gotham City underworld? There's only one place to find the answer to that question: the Gotham graveyard!
Nightwing #112
Dick Grayson's gone undercover. Maybe too far undercover! When the criminals whose trust he's earned stab him in the back, the parts of his life that have been under wraps come to the surface. And why is Deathstroke the Terminator at the head of Dick's crime world?
Action Comics #831
A Villains United tie-in! Get ready for Superman vs. Black Adam -- and Doctor Psycho will be there to pick up the pieces.
Adv of Superman #644
After the shocking revelations of Identity Crisis and JLA: ³Crisis of Conscience," Superman confronts Zatanna
Superman #221
Superman's being pulled in all directions in an issue that ties into all four miniseries springing from Countdown To Infinite Crisis! Omac is running loose. Villains are united. Magic is everywhere. Naturally, it's a perfect time for Bizarro to show up!
Bloodof the Demon #7
A special Day of Vengeance tie-in! The sadistic Spectre has been trying to rid the DCU of its practitioners of magic -- and now he sets his sights on Etrigan the Demon
Firestorm #17
A special Villains United tie-in! Trapped in a remote power installation by the Society, Firestorm -- and a mysterious girl called Gehenna -- must defeat Black Adam's army of supervillains to escape
Green Arrow #54
Part 1 of the 4-part "Heading into the Light," spinning out of the events of Identity Crisis. Green Arrow faces off against an old villain who's suddenly become much more deadly. His name is Doctor Light, and he wants revenge on the heroes who violated his mind! Guest-starring Black Lightning and the JLA!
JLA #118 and #119
The two concluding issues of the 5-part "Crisis of Conscience," written by Geoff Johns and Allan Heinberg double-ship in September! In JLA #118, the knockdown-dragout battle between Martian Manhunter and Despero continues, as the fight that began on the JLA Watchtower ends on Earth! Meanwhile, Superman intervenes in the Justice League's vote to mindwipe the Secret Society of Super Villains, and Zatanna makes a fateful decision.
And in #119, the JLA must face off against Despero in Wayne Manor! But in order to stop Despero, the team will be forced to turn against one of its own...
JSA #77
Alan Scott pays a visit to Hal Jordan as Hal prepares to leave Earth with Donna Troy. But Alan has one last favor to ask Hal, and it will be one of the hardest things a Green Lantern has ever tried to accomplish!
Manhunter #14
The secret of Project Manhunter is revealed -- and so is the identity of Kate Spencer's long-lost father!
Outsiders #28
Reeling from the mind-blowing events of "The Insider" story arc, the team mourns a lost comrade and decides you can't go home again...ever! .
Wonder Woman #221
The power of OMAC comes after the Amazing Amazon! In the aftermath of the recent events which have shaken the DCU, Wonder Woman goes on global patrol, saving lives and spreading her message of peace wherever she can. But Brother I and the Omac Project have other plans...
This isn't counting the mini series like Omac project that will just be winding down or titles like Hawkman who's tie-in is less overt. I mean come on. Normally this is to be expected in comics at this time of year but not to this degree or as prolonged. Will things really be this way into next year and beyond? Good content, but man I feel like a casualty of the market share wars.
Oh and as a retailer I was really disappointed in Newsarama's article on exactly how much it would cost to participate in DC and Marvel's events. Its never a good idea to show people how much they are spending on comics. And so soon after prices went up. Bad Newsarama, bad!
Weren't you saying this in the Geoff Johns thread?
Stop ignoring the truth dealing.
It's a loose net that sees everything fit snugly together.
It's not a marching order to go and buy every comic in the store, for fear of being uninformed and confused when reading Outsiders #19.
And I'm still an advocate of common sense.
Just put two and two together if you missed an issue. For crying out loud, do you really need someone to hold your hand through a comic?!
No, but it's good to understand/get the whole story. Of course, not every part is necessary, but to get the full depth of the event is what we as fans have always wanted. So no, we don't need someone to hold our comic, but we are allowed to feel overwhelmed. I'm reading a lot of these books and even still, it's a lot of stuff to get a hold of.Originally Posted by Mike Haseloff
Weren't you saying this in the Geoff Johns thread?
Stop ignoring the truth dealing.
It's a loose net that sees everything fit snugly together.
It's not a marching order to go and buy every comic in the store, for fear of being uninformed and confused when reading Outsiders #19.
And I'm still an advocate of common sense.
Just put two and two together if you missed an issue. For crying out loud, do you really need someone to hold your hand through a comic?!
In the end, it's just a difference of opinion. I like reading the full story, but this is insane. This is literally, a universe spanning event, with more than just single-issue tie-ins. It's not like you have to pick up the extra issue of Teen Titans, it's pick up the issue of Batman that led to the events of the Teen Titans issue, which will be resolved in Outsiders, etc.
That's the thing though, unlike other such events in the past most of these main items have been worthwhile. Meaning that its not a completist thing its an enjoying the event thing and wanting to be involved in the big picture. But its like DC is putting everything into one big power shot.Weren't you saying this in the Geoff Johns thread?
Stop ignoring the truth dealing.
It's a loose net that sees everything fit snugly together.
It's not a marching order to go and buy every comic in the store, for fear of being uninformed and confused when reading Outsiders #19.
And I'm still an advocate of common sense.
Just put two and two together if you missed an issue. For crying out loud, do you really need someone to hold your hand through a comic?!
I promise you I don't need hand holding. I just do not want people to say "you know what, this is ridiculous and expensive. I'm out." That's not the result we want.
the only thing that gets me is that marvel catches infinite shit for ONE summer event with a handful of minis attched to it.
But DC gets a pass basically having every major book in their universe tie in. on top of 5 minis that lead into a mini.
As I recall, Crisis on Infinite Earths was a twelve part story but even then not everything tied in to the level DC is tying in now. Not nearly.
If someone says that, just repeat what I said, and slap them around.
And steal their wallet as payment for the next couple of months worth of comics you will TELL THEM they're buying.
And most importantly, be entirely uninformed.
I didn't really read your post. I just made wild assumptions and started yelling.
Do that...
... and maybe rip your shirt off too, just to put the fear of God in them.
i know what you mean. if i'm not interested in the direction the entire dc "universe" is going in, i can't read any of the books. so i don't. thank god for wildstorm and vertigo.
I agree.I am like this close to saying "Ok, Infinite Crisis, you win. I give up." This thing is too big. Its overwhelming. As a fan and especially as a retailer. Everything has to do with everything. DC expects everyone to be aware of everything (yet is still slow on the tpbs but not selected reprints). Five multi-part mini series, any one of which in the past would have been the summer event, 7 Soldier which is apparently setting the groundwork for the post-Infinite Crisis DC (Morrison = Julie Schwartz?
DC started much sooner too so we have a better idea of what quality and importance the tie-ins can be. With House its way too soon to tell and therefore too early to complain. But in all honesty Crisis is too big of a beast for House to drag down. House may turn out to be the better free standing event (I seriously doubt you can buy and understand Infinite if you have not been aware of the stories from Identity on), but Infinite is a universe wide thing that apparantly (as of this Morrison news) is changing the face of that universe after all.
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