Crisis on Infinite Bought/Thought 1/28! (FC 7 spoilers)

**Fake Pat** · 01-28-2009, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by andrew french

Two Nays, and one yeah, I don't know what to say.

The two Batman issues that Pat mentioned, what are those? The end of RIP? Because I didn't read any of that. Actually, ASS is the only DC thing I've read that's not a showcase or New Frontier in years.

The Batman issues are the 2 that come right after RIP.

And I really do think the whole FC she-bang is worth it for you. It's not something I would recommend to everybody, but I think this was the event book that comes closest to something that someone with your tastes would enjoy.

**andrew french** · 01-28-2009, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Fake Pat

The Batman issues are the 2 that come right after RIP.

And I really do think the whole FC she-bang is worth it for you. It's not something I would recommend to everybody, but I think this was the event book that comes closest to something that someone with your tastes would enjoy.

O rly? I have a feeling this is going to feel like OMEGA or something, so I'm definitely interested.

Have those Batman issues come out, or are those the "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader" ones?

**Cth** · 01-28-2009, 11:01 AM

The Stand
Ehh.. I've been mostly buying this to see how well they could adapt the 1000+ pages. Decent job at adapting it so far. I wish they'd just do a larger mini-series instead of these 5 issue things. I realize it helps to set up the HC/SC collections, but I'd rather see an omnibus type collection for this type of project.

The artwork is gorgeous for the most part. Some great scenes like the dump truck/pitchfork stuff. Variety in faces, etc.. I'm still not quite sold on Flagg's appearance, but ah well, it beats the ABC mini version

New Avengers
Well that was quick. At least it'll alleviate some fans concerns. I would have liked to see some fallout for Luke's decision, but Cage is a sacred cow and can do no wrong, which is a tad disappointing. I wasn't too thrilled by the artwork unfortunately. Hopefully after next issue we can go back to different storylines. I hesitate to mention it since I can't really say what I'm looking for. I'm not looking for "Avengery" stories.. but I'm not looking for "heroes on the run working underground from their apartment" either. I guess I'm saying there needs to be some reason for the team to exist -- after Civil War/Secret Invasion, there's not really a reason to.

Echo
Waaaay too many dream sequences. It felt like Moore got tired of drawing the comic and wanted to do something else instead. They were really well done, but I don't see much of a reason for their inclusion at this point.

Oddly enough, it was the cheapest book I bought this week, so I can't complain there.

Glamourpuss
Haven't read it yet, but Sim credits some art auction site for letting him use artwork on practically every page from what I saw.

**Xander Boune** · 01-28-2009, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by andrew french

O rly? I have a feeling this is going to feel like OMEGA or something, so I'm definitely interested.

Have those Batman issues come out, or are those the "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader" ones?

They're out. You want Final Crisis #1-7, Batman #682-683, and Superman Beyond #1-2. Read the Batman stuff somewhere between FC#2-5, the Superman issues between FC #3-6.

**Ray G.** · 01-28-2009, 11:05 AM

I also really enjoyed NA today. Since SI ended, the last two issues have been on overdrive. Not a hint of decompression in the two issues. Between this and Dark Avengers, I'm very excited about the Bendis corner of the 616 again.

**leviathan** · 01-28-2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ryudo

You HAVE to read Superman Beyond with it.

H-A-V-E.

You will still be confused, but that will help.

One of the primary reasons for my really hating this book.

Yep, that's right...I HATED FC #7. And no, it isn't because I didn't get it. The parallels and the metacommentary was so obvious, it was like being hit over the head with it...repeatedly.

I just hate how this accomplished absolutely nothing...screw ambition in 'furthering the medium', I expect my comics (at least the ones that serve to exist in a shared universe with ongoing continuity) to mean something. Especially something that's supposed to 'change everything'.

And honestly, this book just felt wrong. It was like I was reading Morrison's brain. Seriously, would be it too much to ask that they give him an editor who would be willing to ask him to put some cohesion into his storytelling? I'm a huge fan of non-linear storytelling but this was just a mess from start to finish. It was like Morrison threw a bunch of sentences on the ground and just sent them in the order they fell to the artist.

**Ashwin Pande** · 01-28-2009, 11:07 AM

I don't get how this changes anything in the DCU.

**Ray G.** · 01-28-2009, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by ashwin

I don't get how this changes anything in the DCU.

Spoilers:

Batman's gone.

That's about the size of it, really.

**Fake Pat** · 01-28-2009, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by leviathan

One of the primary reasons for my really hating this book.

Yep, that's right...I HATED FC #7. And no, it isn't because I didn't get it. The parallels and the metacommentary was so obvious, it was like being hit over the head with it...repeatedly.

I just hate how this accomplished absolutely nothing...screw ambition in 'furthering the medium', I expect my comics (at least the ones that serve to exist in a shared universe with ongoing continuity) to mean something. Especially something that's supposed to 'change everything'.

And honestly, this book just felt wrong. It was like I was reading Morrison's brain. Seriously, would be it too much to ask that they give him an editor who would be willing to ask him to put some cohesion into his storytelling? I'm a huge fan of non-linear storytelling but this was just a mess from start to finish. It was like Morrison threw a bunch of sentences on the ground and just sent them in the order they fell to the artist.

It accomplished all you can ask for, it told a great story.

**Fake Pat** · 01-28-2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Xander Boune

They're out. You want Final Crisis #1-7, Batman #682-683, and Superman Beyond #1-2. Read the Batman stuff somewhere between FC#2-5, the Superman issues between FC #3-6.

This comes from Morrison himself:
To get the full Final Crisis experience as the author intended it, the reading order is as follows:

,b>FINAL CRISIS # 1- 3
SUPERMAN BEYOND # 1- 2
SUBMIT
FINAL CRISIS # 4 – 5
BATMAN #682 – 683
FINAL CRISIS # 6 – 7

The other tie-ins and parallel stories are well worth reading too.

Though I wouldn't recommend Submit to anyone.