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    Re: Way to not treat someone like a human, news.

    Ultimately, her profession is directly responsible for the crime.

    It's how she met the murderer, for one, and it's a definately the type of job that would make someone so inclined feel a connection to you that you don't feel for them.

    Sex and emotions are all tied together, and if sex is your career than you have to be careful of the emotions attached.

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    Re: Way to not treat someone like a human, news.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fake Pat View Post
    But if that's the case, the coverage does nothing to change that.

    That crime happened whether anybody knew about it or not.
    It's probably because I hate the Post, but their coverage seems to miss the point completely and seems to focus on the wrong thing. Her being a dominatrix is an important fact of the story, but it's not the main one.

    The fact that she is a dominatrix and her relationship with the others in the story is relevant and should be in the nut graf.

    All the other stuff should be near the end of the story, something these fucktards at the Post might grasp if they had paid attention in Writing, Reporting And Editing when the inverted pyramid style was discussed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fake Pat View Post
    The coverage only makes her a victim if you assume that being associated with S&M is an inherently negative thing.

    If that's the case, then you're the one judging this woman. You're the one making her a victim.
    Personally I could care less what she does with her free time. If she's into S&M, more power to her. The last thing I would do is judge anyone else.

    I don't know why but when she's referred to as "Victim's Whip-Mistress Girlfriend" I sense the New York Post is not applauding her after hours choices.

    In summation this is what the New York Post "reported"
    She is a moonlighting dominatrix who "gasp" went to not just fetish clubs but rather (keyword) KINKY fetish clubs where Ottaviano (oh he's the killer but that's not really important) would be led around sometimes possibly wearing makeup, garters, stockings, and high heels. Can you even imagine? And this "white shoe" lawyer (I think his name is Kreig or something like that) had a (shhh) secret leather-loving lifestyle which ended up leading to his downfall. Ahhh...isn't that always the case. Oh and because its absolutely pertinent to really understanding the story of what happened we should point out that she specializes in tickling, nipply play, and sissy slut training for hours. We only add that to clarify why this man murdered her boyfriend and abducted her. No other reason. It's because we respect her life choices and in no way mean to dehumanize the victim here. She also is a college drop out who boasts about her extensive fetish wardrobe. She just could not stop talking about that when we talked to her about this tragedy. Just corets this and stockings that. And of course this would not be a true journalistic piece without her measurements which are 32D-22-32 all on a 5'4" frame. Her clients for her "services" included all kinds such as men, women, and even transgender people. WOWWEE! And this would not be New York Post if we didn't delve even deeper and discover that while she is okay with But even though she's OK with a laundry list of kinky activities like forced feminization, medical play and genital torture there are some things that even she won't do. Age play, nudity, face-sitting, "intimate activity of any sort" and anything that hurts animals are definite no-no's in her book.

    But surely I"M the one guilty of passing judgement on her since the New York Post showed such professionalism and did not go out of its way to list her measurements and likes/dislikes and kinks/fetishes while reporting on why a madman killed her boyfriend and held her captive before ending his own life. My bad!
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    Re: Way to not treat someone like a human, news.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark4myself View Post
    Personally I could care less what she does with her free time. If she's into S&M, more power to her. The last thing I would do is judge anyone else.

    I don't know why but when she's referred to as "Victim's Whip-Mistress Girlfriend" I sense the New York Post is not applauding her after hours choices.

    In summation this is what the New York Post "reported"
    She is a moonlighting dominatrix who "gasp" went to not just fetish clubs but rather (keyword) KINKY fetish clubs where Ottaviano (oh he's the killer but that's not really important) would be led around sometimes possibly wearing makeup, garters, stockings, and high heels. Can you even imagine? And this "white shoe" lawyer (I think his name is Kreig or something like that) had a (shhh) secret leather-loving lifestyle which ended up leading to his downfall. Ahhh...isn't that always the case. Oh and because its absolutely pertinent to really understanding the story of what happened we should point out that she specializes in tickling, nipply play, and sissy slut training for hours. We only add that to clarify why this man murdered her boyfriend and abducted her. No other reason. It's because we respect her life choices and in no way mean to dehumanize the victim here. She also is a college drop out who boasts about her extensive fetish wardrobe. She just could not stop talking about that when we talked to her about this tragedy. Just corets this and stockings that. And of course this would not be a true journalistic piece without her measurements which are 32D-22-32 all on a 5'4" frame. Her clients for her "services" included all kinds such as men, women, and even transgender people. WOWWEE! And this would not be New York Post if we didn't delve even deeper and discover that while she is okay with But even though she's OK with a laundry list of kinky activities like forced feminization, medical play and genital torture there are some things that even she won't do. Age play, nudity, face-sitting, "intimate activity of any sort" and anything that hurts animals are definite no-no's in her book.

    But surely I"M the one guilty of passing judgement on her since the New York Post showed such professionalism and did not go out of its way to list her measurements and likes/dislikes and kinks/fetishes while reporting on why a madman killed her boyfriend and held her captive before ending his own life. My bad!
    Unless the Post fabricated any of that, there is no reason to blame them for it.

    This woman chose to put that information out there. Nobody can ever be blamed for telling the truth.

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    Re: Way to not treat someone like a human, news.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fake Pat View Post
    Unless the Post fabricated any of that, there is no reason to blame them for it.

    This woman chose to put that information out there. Nobody can ever be blamed for telling the truth.
    I fault them for being shitty journalists.
    I realize it's very hard not to show some bias, but they surely can't be that stupid to realize that some of the choices of adjective and adverbs have loaded meaning and don't give the piece the neutral slant a news article is supposed to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fake Pat View Post
    Unless the Post fabricated any of that, there is no reason to blame them for it.

    This woman chose to put that information out there. Nobody can ever be blamed for telling the truth.
    Really? So her measurements and the fact she is into nipple play are all pertinent to the story? That's funny I don't remember the news world reporting Princess Diana's measurements and the fact she was into roleplaying and spanking when she died. Then again maybe I just wasn't reading the New York Post on that day.

    It's not whether its true or not, it's a question of relevance. The story is about a man who killed another, commited a kidnapping, and then killed himself. I fail to see where her cup size and wardrobe factors into the story. Oh that's right, because they don't.

    Telling the truth does not make you in the right if you're telling a truth that doesn't need to be told. You don't tell Grandma she's a disgusting old hag even if its true because of something called common sense and common decency. Neither of them are to be found in the pages of the New York Post and apparently they mean absolutely nothing to you. "As long as she really is a D cup then I'm content with my copy of the New York Post". I hope no one you love or know ever finds themselves being exploited in the wake of tragedy like she is.
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    So, Mark was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark4myself View Post
    This is wrong in so many ways and I'm shocked a few people don't feel the same way. The story is NOT that she is a dominatrix. The story is that a deranged man murdered her boyfriend and abducted her before ending his life. That is a pretty sensational story on its own. Printing her real name in my opinion is akin to printing the full name of a rape victim. The media is supposed to use discretion when it comes to victims. They have an obligation to protect the victims since they are precisely that, victims. Anyone who does not understand that needs to take a course in Journalism 101.

    Instead of reporting the news they have created their own story. This breaks the journalistic creed that they report the news, not make it. The story is the abduction and murder/suicide. Her profession is not the main thrust of the story. But with newsprint media on its dying legs I guess the Post is not above destroying someone's life in order to raise circulation. This is journalism from the gutters and an affront to anyone that likes to call themselves journalists. They have added to the victimization of this woman.

    My heart goes out to her. If anyone on here were the victim of such a crime, the fact you may swing on the weekends, may have experimented in college, smoke pot on your free time, etc. is not relevant. The only part of her lifestyle that relates to the case is that she met him through her line of work. That does not necessitate releasing her real name and sensationalizing her lifestyle over the tragedy that just happened to throw her life into freefall just in time for the holidays. Is the story that she was a dominatrix or that a sick fuck of a human being killed someone she loved, held her captive, before ending his own life? Hasn't she endured enough on that alone without you deciding you are mightier than thou and are free to rummage through the remnants of her shattered life. We all have skeletons in our closets and in a time of tragedy the last thing we need is for every single one of them to be shouted from every street corner for all to hear. So before you say "Right on" sit back and consider how you'd feel if you were in her position. I doubt many of you would be so supportive of their need to sensationalize her life to sell a few more papers.
    I agree with you here man. It's pretty shitty to fuck with someone's life, just for the sake of a story. And not even a good story at that... I feel bad for her too.


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    Re: Way to not treat someone like a human, news.

    Quote Originally Posted by TRILL, THE CARBON BASED LIFEFORM View Post
    We all do things we're not ashamed of, but don't want everyone to know about. Maybe you're a compulsive sharer, I don't know, but be human.

    This.

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    Re: Way to not treat someone like a human, news.

    I worked in an S&M bar. It's not my thing, but honestly, the biggest difference between then and the girls that go to regular bars, is that the girls at the S&M bars know the people around them better.

    When I bounced at the 80s bar, I had to constantly stop nice guys taking home the extremely drunk girl who wanted to go home with them. I had to find the girl's friends and make sure that someone was there to be responsible for them. At the S&M bar, everyone knew each other and if there was a stranger there, they weren't getting anywhere until they were WELL known.

    I think it sucks that she got into this situation and because almost all journalism is based on shock factor. They know that all of the Ozzie and Harriet's out there are going to eat that news up. They don't care that they are painting a target on this girl's back.

    When a guy that was in the local Richmond scene got arrested (and convicted) for killing a girl. The press came down to interview me and a bunch of others because it would shock all the straights. They wanted to interview me because I threw the guy out and banned him from the club due to him being abusive to his girlfriend. I of course refused. Others got interviewed though. And pretty soon the ex-girlfriend had a group of reporters on her front lawn. That'll make going to school and moving on with your life easier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRILL, THE CARBON BASED LIFEFORM View Post
    That's ridiculous. Is the New York Post a trash mag? They start out the article saying that the boyfriend's "secret" got him killed...? Then they go on to say that they partied together at fetish parties, sometimes with him wearing lipstick, a garter belt, stockings and high heels and that there were photos of him posted on the web. They also got a quote from a neighbor saying they made no secret of the fetish stuff.
    You know one that really gives it away as a trash mag? Instead of an article they give a slide show with captions.

    Yek!



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