Return of the Jedi did not suck...

[Flonk]

That weird gray guy has a name. His name is Nien Nub.

I don't know why, but that made me laugh out loud.

[Blake Sims]

I'm pretty sure that's the proper assesment of the scene. Which I hate even more, cause it basically means that Anakin doesn't really redeem himself at all by turning against the Dark Side and saving his son by killing the Emporer. That's ass.

yeah thats true but oh well

[AAlgar]

I don't know why, but that made me laugh out loud.

I picture it being delivered like in Fight Club. "His name is Nein Numb. His name is Nein Numb."

[bartleby]

Yeah. By that logic, a spirit Anakin should already have been wandering around.

But Yoda and Obi Wan get the shaft and have to spend the longevity of their spirit life as old dudes. They shoulda turned to the darkside when they were younger and then repented before death. Suckers.

[bartleby]

I picture it being delivered like in Fight Club. "His name is Nein Numb. His name is Nein Numb."

That is actually what I had in mind as I typed it. I'm glad it came across as such without me having to be too obvert with it.

[xyzzy]

I'm pretty sure that's the proper assesment of the scene. Which I hate even more, cause it basically means that Anakin doesn't really redeem himself at all by turning against the Dark Side and saving his son by killing the Emporer. That's ass.

I justify it by thinking that it's just his idealized version of himself. Not the bitter old half machine man, but the younger non-evil version.

[Fourthman]

But Yoda and Obi Wan get the shaft and have to spend the longevity of their spirit life as old dudes. They shoulda turned to the darkside when they were younger and then repented before death. Suckers.

There's a Dutch branch of Satanism whose followers do just that. I'm not kidding.

[Flonk]

That is actually what I had in mind as I typed it. I'm glad it came across as such without me having to be too obvert with it.

I read it as oversimplification. Kinda like a kindergarden teacher. But Fight Club works too.

[bartleby]

But Yoda and Obi Wan get the shaft and have to spend the longevity of their spirit life as old dudes. They shoulda turned to the darkside when they were younger and then repented before death. Suckers.

There's a Dutch branch of Satanism whose followers do just that. I'm not kidding.

There's also Catholicism...

[James Patrick]

For me, it sucks.

I'm not a hater, I'm genuinely bored in the movie. If I analyze this it's for very fundemental storytelling reasons. They spend a lot of time not advancing the story. They spend a lot of time sitting around. They spend a lot of time sitting or standing around talking about things. The plot doesn't move.

The movie is divided between rescuing Han and overthrowing the Empire. From the start of the movie, it should be about attacking the Empire, getting their shit together and opening on a scene where they're smack in the middle of getting the thing that puts this into motion. Finding plans or directions or the location of the Emperor. IF they're going to rescue Han, it should be along the way. The Ewoks aren't bad, they're written badly. The scene with Wicket and Leia is way to long. It could actually be cut and you could just have Luke and Han find her in the village as their guest and nobody'd know the difference. Too much time in the village when there's no conflict. Look at Empire, even when Luke isn't in conflict, Han and Leia are and it cuts back to that. There is a stretch of Jedi with no conflict. This should be Jedi's structure. It's generic, but works.

1) Finding the thing that sets into motion being able to destroy the Empire, and the Alliance being a part of it, even in the end.

2) Quickly setting up a plan of attack with the alliance and while among them, and a specific obstacle before the attack being introduced, all while Lando, Chewei and Leai go to rescue Han. But the Alliance needs Luke, and he ahs to stay, which shows he's matured.

3) Luke and the alliance take out the obstacle while Han is rescued. Luke is catured during taking out this obstacle, but it allows the Alliance to get into position for thier final attack.

4) As the alliance is about to attack, Luke and Vader travel to the Emperor and spend time together. Leia and Han and Chewie spend together and Han recovers.

5) Luke is taken before the Emperor as Han and Leia and Chewie meet up with tallinace and plan the final assault, which includes rescuing Luke.

6) Lando and Chewie and the alliance attack the Empire whiel Han and Leit go save Luke and Luke deals with his father and the emperor and all that stuff.

That was fun.