Is the End of the Ultimate Universe coming?

**costello** · 03-31-2007, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by tom daylight

still, pointless or not, critical acclaim and general perception of the line as a whole be damned, it brings in quite a lot of cash for marvel, and I doubt they'll be looking to trim any of its titles in the near future. a shame in my opinion, but i suppose that as someone who's collected the line since (almost) the beginning, i only have myself to blame.

1. I'm in the same boat. I thought it'd be great to have the entire universe under my belt and as a result I've supported a lot of books that looking back did not deserve my money.

2. I agree with what you said about Galactus. As one read it's great. The wait for each issue was not. I wasn't miffed... there was just so much going on that I forgot to care.

3. What are your thoughts on Vision #0 when it was originally printed in 4 page installments?

4. What I meant by tossing the MTU SM/FF stuff out, I meant continuity wise. I loved Mahfood's take on the characters.

5. While I see where you're coming from, with the popularity of the X-films and the new FF films, I don't see the books going away. UXM could have ended at #80 to just give the book a rest for a year or so. No comment as of yet on #UFF.

**YouStayClassy** · 03-31-2007, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by costello

1. I'm in the same boat. I thought it'd be great to have the entire universe under my belt and as a result I've supported a lot of books that looking back did not deserve my money.

5. While I see where you're coming from, with the popularity of the X-films and the new FF films, I don't see the books going away. UXM could have ended at #80 to just give the book a rest for a year or so. No comment as of yet on #UFF.

I too am in that boat. I mean Ultimate War.... WTF?!?

I also completely agree with you. UXM could have used a nice hiatus after that last arc...

**JoeE** · 03-31-2007, 02:21 PM

I actually thought Ultimate War was a tremendously fun story, crappy Bachalo art aside. Ultimate Cap mowing down Wolverine with a machine gun is a thing of beauty.

**YouStayClassy** · 03-31-2007, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by JoeE

I actually thought Ultimate War was a tremendously fun story, crappy Bachalo art aside. Ultimate Cap mowing down Wolverine with a machine gun is a thing of beauty.

Oh, it had great moments to be sure, but overall.... what was the point? This mini is really fresh in my head because I just read it several days ago along with the X-Men issues it tied into, and it felt like such a waste of time. On a sidenote, I'd completely forgotten how good Millar's X-Men got towards the end (I wasn't a fan of the first couple of years....).

**tom daylight** · 03-31-2007, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by costello

3. What are your thoughts on Vision #0 when it was originally printed in 4 page installments?

I thought "I'm getting four pages of John Romita Jr every week for free along with some nice back covers so I'm happy"

story-wise, it was really twenty-four pages of exposition. useful exposition, but...

4. What I meant by tossing the MTU SM/FF stuff out, I meant continuity wise. I loved Mahfood's take on the characters.

actually it was the special i liked them in, with art by pearson and phillips. i felt like, well, if the ff have to be a bit more down-to-earth and realistic, this is exactly how i want them to be. but then they went and did the mtv version instead.

5. While I see where you're coming from, with the popularity of the X-films and the new FF films, I don't see the books going away. UXM could have ended at #80 to just give the book a rest for a year or so. No comment as of yet on #UFF.

well I dunno, I don't think the regular FF ever became mired in difficult continuity (although I suppose they are veering in that direction a little by changing the line-up again), besides which they have the Marvel Adventures title which is apparently well-liked by the few who read it, and which they point mainstream audiences directly towards (I have found it bewildering that they ever launched the Marvel Adventures line at all, seeing as its mission statement seems to be almost exactly the same as the Ultimate line, which kind of makes it redundant).

as for Ultimate X-Men, I think both the movies and the ultimate comics have become so convoluted with their storylines that you can pick up an issue of any x-men book and be equally confused!

kirkman seems to be doing some interesting things with the book, splitting up the cast etc, i wish he was allowed to actually kill characters though rather than just pretend; it artificially keeps the stakes way lower than they should be. i am selfishly glad that he's let bendis have kitty all to himself.

**tom daylight** · 03-31-2007, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by YouStayClassy

Oh, it had great moments to be sure, but overall.... what was the point?

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**DaveCummings** · 03-31-2007, 03:44 PM

My problem with Ultimate War was that you thought that there would be a big drag out fight between the X-Men and Ultimates, which didn't happen. And the fact that all it did was lead into Millar's last X-Men arc.

Ultimate X-Men I think is probably the weakest of the X-books. It started off strong with Mark's first arc, but his other stories lacked the impact of "Tomorrow People" and "Return to Weapon X" and the numerous fill ins didn't help (as did Adam Kubert going to mainly breakdowns to all of his later issues).

I loved Bendis' arcs as well as BKV's run.

But the problem with Ultimate X-Men is that it has shown alot of promise, but alot of times didn't live up to it.

**UltimateFactor** · 03-31-2007, 03:54 PM

616 Pete needs to go into outerspace or somthing. A Planet Spidey would kick ass. Somthing fresh needs to happen there. Him moving to the westcoast to chill with the Runaways would rock.

**Shepherd** · 03-31-2007, 05:22 PM

I think the purpose of the ultimate universe has really changed over time. Because we have some of our favorite characters in very recognizable forms in the UU, the writers for the MU have a lot more leeway with what they can do with those characters. If there was no UU, there's no way they would have killed Captain American or unmasked Spidey. To me, the UU is kind of the backup in case any of the characters in the MU gets screwed up too much.

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