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Thudpucker

11-08-2006, 05:46 AM

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This week we are reading Wisdom #1 (MAX) by Paul Cornell and Trevor Hairsine

The voting for next weeks book has started here: http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=92809

Our reviewers this week are:

Thudpucker - 2
Ray Goldfield - 5
Mo_Soar - 8
Vonn Hennigar - 7
Kefky - 7
Kirbys corpse - 6.9
YouStayClassy - 4
Joe Henderson - 5
Jef UK - 8
Keravin - 9
JABSEN - 6
InigoMontoya - 9
The Human Target - 7
NickT - 9.5
dEnny - 5
The Jack Rabbitt - 8

Our Previous 16 weeks of reviews (scores lost during the Image Board crash)

Week 01 - 11/17/04 � Captain America #1
Week 02 - 11/24/04 � Flash #216
Week 03 - 12/01/04 � Darkness Vol. 2 #17 (av grade 3.7)
Week 04 - 12/08/04 � Demo #12
Week 05 - 12/15/04 - Plastic Man #13
Week 06 - 12/22/04 � Goon #10
Week 07 - 12/29/04 - Legion of Super Heroes #1
Week 08 - 01/05/05 � Flaming Carrot #1
Week 09 - 01/12/05 � Majestic #1
Week 10 - 01/19/05 � Human Target #18
Week 11 - 01/26/05 � Conan #12 (av grade 8.3)
Week 12 - 02/02/05 � Black Panther #1
Week 13 - 02/09/05 � Young Avengers #1
Week 14 - 02/16/05 � Ex Machina #8 (av grade 8.4)
Week 15 - 02/23/05 � X-Men #167
Week 16 - 03/02/05 � Ultimate Iron Man #1

Week 17 pick - Shining Knight #1 (Morrison & Bianchi) av grade - 7.8
Week 18 pick - Invincible #21 (Kirkman and Ottley) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=48) av grade - 6.3
Week 19 pick - Expatriate #1 (Moore and Latour) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=1314) av grade - 5.4
Week 20 pick - Temporary #2 (Hurd & Smith) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=2993) av grade - 7.4
Week 21 pick - GLA #1 (Slott and Pelletier) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=4718) av grade - 6.8
Week 22 pick - Nightwing #107 (Grayson and Hester) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=5972) av grade - 5.8
Week 23 pick - Iron Ghost #1 (Dixon and Cariello) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=7350) av grade - 4.9
Week 24 pick - City Of Tomorrow (Howard Chaykin) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=8609) av grade - 6.2
Week 25 pick - Villains United #1 (Simone and Eaglesham) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=9831) av grade - 5.7
Week 26 pick - Desolation Jones #1 (Ellis and Williams III) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=11130) av grade - 8.9
Week 27 pick - Guardian #2 (Morrison and Stewart) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=12280) av grade - 6.1
Week 28 pick - Adv. Of Superman #640 (Rucka and Kerschl) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=13393) av - 6.1
Week 29 pick - Son Of Vulcan #1 (Beatty and Grant) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=14435) av grade - 3.7
Week 30 pick - JLA #115 (Johns, Heinberg, Batista) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=15677) av grade - 6.9
Week 31 pick - Wildsiderz #0 (Campbell and Hartnell) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=16720) av grade - 2.9
Week 32 pick - Astro City: The Dark Age #1 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=17822) av grade - 7.3
Week 33 pick - Albion #1 (Moore and Oakley) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=18956) av grade - 5.0
Week 34 pick - Gotham Central #33 (Rucka, Brubaker, Kano) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=20325) av - 8.5
Week 35 pick - Mutopia X (Hine and Medina) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=21593) av grade - 5.2
Week 36 pick - Athiest #2 (Hester and McCrea) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=22821) av grade - 6.9
Week 37 pick - JLA: Classified #10 (Ellis and Guise) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=24230) av grade - 6.9
Week 38 pick - Justice #1 (Ross, Krueger & Braithwaite) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=25471) av grade 7.9
Week 39 pick - The Winter Men #1 (Lewis and Leon) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=26722&page=1&pp=30) av grade 5.3
Week 40 pick - Batman: Journey into Knight #1 (Helfer & Huat) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=661904#post661904) av - 4.4
Week 41 pick - Jack Cross #1 (Ellis and Erskine) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=29289&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 6.1
Week 42 pick - Runaways #7 (Vaughan & Miyazawa) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=30415&page=1&pp=30&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 7.8
Week 43 pick - Ghost Rider #1 (Ennis and Crain) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=31761&page=1&pp=30&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 6.4
Week 44 pick - Thor: Blood Oath #1 (Oeming and Kolins) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=32837) av grade 7.1
Week 45 pick - Wolverine #32 (Millar and Andrews) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=800805#post800805) av grade 8.2
Week 46 pick - Losers #28 (Diggle and Wilson) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=34999) av grade 7.4
Week 47 pick - FF/I M : Big In Japan #1 (Wells & Fisher) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=36143&page=1&pp=30) av grade 5.6
Week 48 pick - F N Spider-Man #1 (David and Wieringo) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=885645#post885645) av grade 7.3
Week 49 pick - Fin Fang Four #1 (Langridge & Grey) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=38459) av grade 8.8
Week 50 pick - Book Of Lost Souls #1 (JMS & Doran) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=39517) av grade 5.6
Week 51 pick - Hero At Large #2 (Hogan and Treece) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=40640) av grade 6.3
Week 52 pick - DMZ #1 (Brain Wood) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=41546) av grade 7.7
Week 53 pick - The Thing #1 (Slott and DiVito) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=1018043#post1018043) av grade 7.5
Week 54 pick - Walking Dead #24 (Kirkman & Adlard) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=1043050#post1043050) av grade 8.4
Week 55 pick - Generation M #1 (Jenkins and Bachs) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=45181&page=1&pp=30) av grade 7.3
Week 56 pick - Marvel Team-Up #15 (Kirkman & Medina) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=46059&page=1&pp=30) av grade 6.0
Week 57 pick - Amazing Joy Buzzards 2 #3 (Smith and Hipp) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=1126452#post1126452) av grade 5.1
Week 58 pick - Testament #1 (Rushkoff and Sharp) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=48096) av grade 7.4
Week 59 pick - New Avengers #14 (Bendis and Cho) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=1173084#post1173084) av grade 7.6
Week 60 pick - Sable & Fortune #1 (Cahill and Burns) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=50156&page=2) av grade 4.4
Week 61 pick - Ares #1 (Oeming and Foreman) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=51090&highlight=THUDPUCKER) av grade 8.2
Week 62 pick - Sgt. Rock: Prophecy #1 (Joe Kubert) - (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=52081) av grade 7.7
Week 63 pick - Nextwave #1 (Ellis and Immonen) av grade 9.1
Week 64 pick - Betty and Veronica Digest #163 (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=54050) av grade 4.2
Week 65 pick - Fables #46 (Willingham and Fern) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=55114) av grade 7.5
Week 66 pick - Daredevil #82 (Brubaker and Lark) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=56036) av grade 9.6
Week 67 pick - Ast. X-Men #13 (Whedon & Cassaday) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=57079) av grade 8.5
Week 68 pick - Ms. Marvel #1 (Reed and de la Torre) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=58091) av grade 7.3
Week 69 pick - American Virgin #1 (Seagle & Cloonan) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=59229) av grade 7.1
Week 70 pick - Annihilation Prologue (Giffen & Kolins) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=60309) av grade 6.3
Week 71 pick - Hawkgirl #50 (Simonson and Chaykin) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=61415) av grade 5.0
Week 72 pick - Savage Dragon # 124 (Erik Larson) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=62535&highlight=dragon) av grade 7.2
Week 73 pick - Moon Knight #1 (Huston & Finch) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=63551&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 7.4
Week 74 pick - Firestorm #24 (Moore and Igle) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=64581&highlight=firestorm) av grade 4.6
Week 75 pick - Squadron Supreme #2 (JMS & Frank) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=65570&highlight=supreme) av grade 6.3
Week 76 pick - Incredible Hulk #94 (Pak and Pagulayan) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=66424) av grade 8.9
Week 77 pick - Civil War #1 (Millar and McNiven) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=67488) av grade 7.4
Week 78 pick - She-Hulk #7 (Slott and Round) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=68344) av grade 6.6
Week 79 pick - 100 Bullets #72 (Azzarello and Risso) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=69219) av grade 8.0
Week 80 pick - Secret Six #1 (Simone and Walker) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=70084&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 6.8
Week 81 pick - My Inner Bimbo #1 (Sam Kieth) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=71085) av grade 8.8
Week 82 pick - Wonder Woman #1 (Heinberg and Dodson's) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=71085) av grade 7.2
Week 83 pick - Ms Marvel #4 (Reed and De La Torre) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=72907) av grade 5.8
Week 84 pick - Eternals #1 (Gaiman and JR JR) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=73827) av grade 7.5
Week 85 pick - DC: Brave New World (various) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=73827) av grade 4.8
Week 86 pick - The Beyond #1 (McDuffie & Kolins) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=75769) av grade 5.5
Week 87 pick - The Escapists #1 (BKV, Bond & Barreto) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=76597) av grade 8.6
Week 88 pick - JLA #0 (Meltzer and various) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=77585&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 6.3
Week 89 pick - Batman #655 (Morrison & Kubert) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=78626) av grade 7.1
Week 90 pick - Moon Knight #4 (Huston and Finch) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=79567) av grade 6.8
Week 91 pick - Martian Manhunter #1 (Lieberman & Barrionuevo) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=80610&highlight=martian) A.G. 5.3
Week 92 pick - The Boys #1 (Ennis and Robertson) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=81622) av grade 8.5
Week 93 pick - Ultimates Annual #2 (Huston & Deodato) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=81622) av grade 6.0
Week 94 pick - A.S.S. #5 (Morrison and Quitely) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=83678) av grade 9.0
Week 95 pick - Cross Bronx #1 (Brandon and Oeming) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=84549) av grade 8.3
Week 96 pick - Pride Of Baghdad (BKV and Henrichon) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=85526&highlight=pride) av grade 9.8
Week 97 pick - Union Jack #1 (Gage and Perkins) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=86501) av grade 7.3
Week 98 pick - True Story Swear To God #1 (Tom Beland) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?p=2207524#post2207524) av grade 8.9
Week 99 pick - Criminal #1 (Brubaker and Phillips) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=88301&highlight=criminal) av grade 8.6
Week 100 pick - Gen 13 #1 (Simone & Caldwell) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=89178) av grade 4.7
Week 101 pick - The Damned #1 (Bunn and Hurtt) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=90012&highlight=thudpucker) av grade 8.4
Week 102 pick - Act. Comics #844 (Donner, Johns, Kubert) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=90917) av grade 7.2
Week 103 pick - Superman: Confidential #1 (Cooke and Sale) (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=91627&highlight=review) av grade 7.7

Our higest average grade so far was for Pride of Baghdad with 9.8
Our lowest average grade so for is Wildsiderz #0 with 2.9

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Kefky

11-08-2006, 05:55 AM

Oooo, I'm looking forward to this one. Hope it doesn't disappoint. :)

The Human Target

11-08-2006, 04:30 PM

Buuuuuuuump.

Didn't get my comics today, but I'm interested in what people thought.

Thudpucker

11-08-2006, 05:00 PM

This was a big disappoint.

First, the problem I had that was Marvels fault and not the creators: 3.99 cover price for 22 pages of story. That's bullshit. At least it didn't have 28 pages of ads though (I counted before I bought it)

Ok, and now the problem that is the creators fault. There is just nothing here. I just read it not 2 minutes ago and already I have forgetten most of this story. :-?

The premise is interesting. Fairies attack England while a giant kidnaps a cabinet members child, and Wisdoms task force is called on to invade a mythical land to kick fairy ass. Sounds great to me.

But the execution was terrible. It was just bad joke after bad joke, right down to 'hippie Merlin'. It was impossible for me to like the cast also.

2

ClintP

11-08-2006, 05:07 PM

The Human Target

11-08-2006, 05:09 PM

Well if one person didn't like it, it must suck. :?

John Drake

11-08-2006, 05:15 PM

Yeah, I am not thinking this is a great sales pitch. I think I am going to pick up GL instead.8-)

make sure to tell me what you think about it

ClintP

11-08-2006, 05:17 PM

Well if one person didn't like it, it must suck. :?
Not my cup of tea to begin with. Don't like weird british heroes and don't like fairies....

ClintP

11-08-2006, 05:18 PM

make sure to tell me what you think about it
I haven't read any before and I usually don't like space crap. A few people made a case for it in the voting thread and I figure I might as well try it.

NickT

11-08-2006, 05:26 PM

Not my cup of tea to begin with. Don't like weird british heroes and don't like fairies....
So you're not a fan of Paul Jenkin's Revelations?

ClintP

11-08-2006, 05:30 PM

So you're not a fan of Paul Jenkin's Revelations?
I loved it. That series brought me into big time Jenkins loyalty. The main character wasn't a weirdo and there weren't any fairies. The last issue had the best damn twist ever for me.

NickT

11-08-2006, 05:34 PM

I loved it. That series brought me into big time Jenkins loyalty. The main character wasn't a weirdo and there weren't any fairies. The last issue had the best damn twist ever for me.
The main character was very much in the mould of Wisdom IMO (Seriously, who told you he was a weirdo?), and I don't see how the occult is that different to fairies :)

ClintP

11-08-2006, 05:37 PM

The main character was very much in the mould of Wisdom IMO (Seriously, who told you he was a weirdo?), and I don't see how the occult is that different to fairies :)

You really are trying to get my goat huh? :lol: I read it as more of a Heaven vs Hell story and not really an occult one. Try as you might to compare it to a story I love, I will not read a fairy book. I am curious of the reviews and I do not want to be negative, but I really am not interested in this comic. Fairies = suck.:twisted:

Thudpucker

11-08-2006, 05:38 PM

The charcter is not the problem for me personally, and niether is the theme. I love this kind of story. It just wasn't well done.

NickT

11-08-2006, 05:40 PM

You really are trying to get my goat huh? :lol:
Your goat is a dick!

I have no idea what I'm talking about :)

Wisdom tommorow for me :)

Ray G.

11-08-2006, 05:51 PM

Classic example of a story that only got greenlit because a celebrity writer thought it would be good. Was anyone really clamoring for a story where a cut-rate Gambit/Wolverine hybrid from Britain fought evil fairies? I know I certainly wasn't. This story isn't agressively terrible, but it's hard to take seriously. The good art helps make it tolerable, but overall, it's a silly concept with alternately bizzare and humorless execution. Readable, but very hard to recommend given the price point. 5/10

Mo_Soar

11-08-2006, 05:52 PM

Wisdom #1 (Cornell/Hairsine; Marvel). Any comic with a red-head named "Mo" in it is always vastly superior to anything else currently out on the market. Which this is, sort of. It's a good premise, a good story, great art, but it's uneven and disjointed and between the set-up and the resolution feels far too short. Plus, for whatever reason, it feels very... 60s. Not as in a 60s comic, but as in I keep expecting a psychedelic band to enter from stage right. The character introductions were a bit brief, as I'd never really heard of any of them before and this didn�t tell me a lot about them, except to give me one-line descriptions: Fairy, Skrull, "Clairsentient," Captain Midlands (that's a joke, right, like a lesser Captain Britain?). All the same, it was fun, is headed in an interesting direction and I'll pick up the next one.

Story: 7.0 (this writer can do better)
Art: 8.0

Adrian B AWESOME

11-08-2006, 08:13 PM

So who the hell is Cornell anyways?

Vonn Hennigar

11-08-2006, 10:12 PM

"Suck My Tits, You Fairy Fucks!"

Just for that line alone, the book warrants a 7,great looking art by Trevor Hairsine( As it always is for the first half of a project after that....eh)

Overall, this wasn't a story that really needed to be told in the strictist "Sell Pete Wisdom to X-Men fans" way that maybe some people expected, it certainly doesn't jive with what's going on with him in New Excalibur. But still a fun first chapter that will make for a great TPB read in the spring.

Kefky

11-09-2006, 01:36 AM

great looking art by Trevor Hairsine( As it always is for the first half of a project after that....eh)

They apparently gave him a LOT of lead-time for this, though, and weren't gonna solicit anything until they were sure he could get it all done on time. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, since I really like his art when he's on.

YouStayClassy

11-09-2006, 01:39 AM

So who the hell is Cornell anyways?

He writes for the show Dr. Who.

Thudpucker

11-09-2006, 04:58 AM

He writes for the show Dr. Who.

Oh wow. That makes this even more of a disappointment, I like his work on Doctor Who alot.

Well, maybe the next issue will be better.

Kefky

11-09-2006, 06:43 AM

Well, it was a bit wonky, but I still enjoyed it. Fun story, good jokes, great art. Good cast too, if their introduction felt pretty random. But there's still 5 issues to go, and it looks like the story's going to pretty interesting. Bring on Clive Fucking Reston and Black Jack Fuck Tarr!

I'll give it a 7/10 for now.

NickT

11-09-2006, 06:55 AM

Oh wow. That makes this even more of a disappointment, I like his work on Doctor Who alot.

Well, maybe the next issue will be better.
He did Father Day, to be precise.

Thudpucker

11-09-2006, 07:01 AM

He did Father Day, to be precise.

Ah, I was thinking of Russell T. Davies. 'Father Day' was an excellent episode though, one of my favorites.

RebootedCorpse

11-09-2006, 07:08 AM

I could swear I'd read this book before. Or maybe it just seems that way because this has been done so many times.
I guess you can call this Constintine-light. It reminded me of about 100 other British comics from the 1980s and lacked any real impact. It wasn't bad, but I won't be there for issue 2.
My score: 6.9

YouStayClassy

11-09-2006, 12:19 PM

I wasn't planning on buying this since Marvel's 3.99 cardstock cover comics are BULL (Eternals is good and all.... but COME ON!), but when I was at the shop yesterday I just couldn't resist the chance to participate in one of these things.

I echo all the "bleh" and "meh" sentiments. This was okay, but nothing I'll ever remember years from now. Bunch of crazy outcasts kill stuff and make snappy one liners....:roll: There were some nice moments to be sure, Wisdom talking to Emma about Kitty, the aforementioned "Suck My Tits..." line, heck pretty much any single panel with Tink in it (though the clothed sex aftermath page was lame).

Hairsane, as usual in his early issues, was absolutely brilliant on art. Man, I hope this guy can really get some consistency going soon, his potential is mind boggling.

I've give this a 4/10, losing a full point because of the price.

Thudpucker

11-09-2006, 02:35 PM

Joe Henderson

11-09-2006, 03:17 PM

The rhythm of the book was off. The art was top-notch (and the best we've seen from Hairsine in awhile), and there were some fun moments, but there were some strange timing choices that either disturbed the flow or just didn't work at all. I like the concept and a number of the characters, but disappointing execution from the writer.

5/10

Master Jack Rabbitt

11-09-2006, 03:27 PM

hmmm... this is coming via DCBS shortly... and now I'm not near as excited as I was. Ah, well. At least it was only 1.99, instead of 3.99.

Jef UK

11-09-2006, 03:29 PM

Did anyone see the reason that this was a MAX book btw? Other than the fact that they typed out a little profanity instead of doing @#%@# I see no reason for it. I've seen the same violence and gore level in regular Marvel books lately, there was no nudity... odd. I guess it the later issues that earned it the label?

Yeah, it wasn't any less violent or sexy than an Ultimates issue, really.

Regardless, I thought this was awesome. Hairsine's art was amazing, and found the script genuinely funny, with the perfect amount of sex and violence interwoven. Also, the story had great pacing; I loved the rollicking breakneck pace of the story, with great beats like Wisdom and Tink in bed, hit so as to provide humor and import. And Cornell did a great job of introductory characterization, gesturing towards their motivations rapidly and with ease. This is a cool book.

8/10

Keravin

11-11-2006, 03:45 AM

I absolutely loved it. After years of crappy British characters being written in comics this was top notch. Yes, the story was slight as it was a done in one story with seeds for later on, but there was wit and fun to it.

This is what Pete Wisdom should be like as compared to the neutered character we've seen in recent years.

As a Brit the Captain Midlands character was very funny. Might not mean much to the US audience, but I love the notion of a Brummie Supersoldier.

As I said in my advance review (http://fractalmatter.com/main/?p=418) this was damned fun and the best first issue at Marvel by a writer in years. Hairsine's art was a lot sharper than anything he's done in ages. Let's hope he can keep the standard up.

9/10

JABSEN

11-11-2006, 08:57 PM

The art was really good. The story felt pretty generic. An Ok book

6/10

InigoMontoya

11-12-2006, 11:46 AM

I really enjoyed this issue, it was just a load of fun. I think marvel should have the courage to try more unusual comics, even when the don't work. Its a shame that more people won't pick it up because it doesn't star wolverine or spiderman.

9/10

The Human Target

11-12-2006, 11:49 AM

I thought it was good fun. It had me chuckling at times. "SUck my tits, you fairy fucks" is my new battlecry.

7/10

Olivier E.

11-13-2006, 07:55 AM

Amazing art from hairisne, a lot better than the style he used on the Galactus mini, the story was fun and light hearted, Wisdom was classy as ever. It's astonishing that Marvel put such a good artist on a mature reders title, thimbs up.

8 points

Adrian B AWESOME

11-13-2006, 09:06 AM

I throughly enjoyed it, and will buy the rest of it, if for no other reason, then to help get Marvel to produce more MAX titles.

7.

YouStayClassy

11-14-2006, 08:44 AM

As an epilogue....

WISDOM #3 (of 6)
Written by PAUL CORNELL
Penciled by MANUEL GARCIA
Cover by TREVOR HAIRSINE
There's a dragon running the Welsh mob. And that's not a metaphor. A fire-breathing, giant lizard is running the mob and the Welsh police can't handle it. This falls under the purview of Pete Wisdom and MI 13. And they're calling in some extra help to handle this problem as SHANG-CHI, MASTER OF KUNG FU shows up in this issue!
32 PGS./Explicit Content ...$3.99

Sigh...........:surrend:

NickT

11-14-2006, 08:55 AM

As a better epilogue, I was going to do a decent review, but I don't feel like it.

Really enjoyed it, 9.5.

dEnny!

01-05-2007, 11:08 AM

Wisdom #1 - just jumps right in with a story about fairies in England, but the book never grabbed me. It just never stopped long enough and stayed on one thing long enough to keep me interested. I like Hairsine's art, but the writing was eh. Just because the main character is British doesn't make it good and this was far from good, and Wisdom was nowhere near the character he can be as shown by Ellis (his creator).

Another book where the idea and intent was better than the execution.

5/10

ClintP

01-05-2007, 11:28 AM

NickT

01-05-2007, 11:41 AM

Denny is always fashionably late with these reviews isn't he?;)
He's on DCBS, so he can only read books when we have all moved on to other things ;)

Master Jack Rabbitt

01-05-2007, 12:17 PM

He's on DCBS, so he can only read books when we have all moved on to other things ;)

Me, too, though I just tend not to toss my review in. Don't want to make too much work for Thud... ;-)

Thudpucker

01-05-2007, 12:22 PM

Me, too, though I just tend not to toss my review in. Don't want to make too much work for Thud... ;-)

Don't worry about me, I love it when people revive the threads! :)

I will probably update the old threads about once a month, reaveraging scores. If you want to review some books please do!

Master Jack Rabbitt

01-05-2007, 12:32 PM

Don't worry about me, I love it when people revive the threads! :)

I will probably update the old threads about once a month, reaveraging scores. If you want to review some books please do!

Alright... but I did warn you. :cool:

Master Jack Rabbitt

01-05-2007, 12:39 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed this. I love Wisdom's character and after seeing his horrible portrayal over in New Excalibur, this was like a breath of fresh air (or some equally fitting cliche). The art was pretty and the dialogue was fun ("Suck My Tits, You Fairy Fucks!", for example). This wasn't superb by any means but it was almost exactly what I expected: enjoyable.

Looking forward to more.

8/10

dEnny!

01-05-2007, 03:56 PM

He's on DCBS, so he can only read books when we have all moved on to other things ;)

Well, that's sort of true, I get some from DCBS and the rest from my lcs.

There are a good number of books I have on hand that I haven't read yet because of work and family obligations.

ClintP

01-05-2007, 04:05 PM

Well, that's sort of true, I get some from DCBS and the rest from my lcs.

There are a good number of books I have on hand that I haven't read yet because of work and family obligations.

Bah! You have to get to the important things in life First! How many comics a month do you get Denny?

dEnny!

01-05-2007, 04:11 PM

Bah! You have to get to the important things in life First! How many comics a month do you get Denny?

TOO many. You really don't want to know. I'm going to cut some titles this year that I've yet to read.

dEnny!

01-05-2007, 04:17 PM

Only behind 31 titles to review. *whew

Thudpucker

01-05-2007, 05:01 PM

Only behind 31 titles to review. *whew

As soon as work slows down I'm going to cach up on my reviews too, there are at least 20 or so books I've read now but havn't reviewed. Hopefully in a couple weeks :)

Master Jack Rabbitt

01-05-2007, 05:32 PM

As soon as work slows down I'm going to cach up on my reviews too, there are at least 20 or so books I've read now but havn't reviewed. Hopefully in a couple weeks :)

There's a few more for me to do, too. :-D

Adrian B AWESOME

04-22-2007, 02:46 AM

For some reason, my vote never got counted in this.

Can we add it for posterity? :D

Olivier E.

04-22-2007, 04:20 AM

For some reason, my vote never got counted in this.

Can we add it for posterity? :D

you forgot me too...

NickT

04-22-2007, 06:05 AM

Master Jack Rabbitt

04-22-2007, 09:34 AM

So you know btw (Well, you probably wont read this TO know :) ), but it's at least partially because he injured his hand.

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006180

It should also be noted that Manuel Garcia's work on this series has been fuckin fantastic.