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The Roman Candle
11-02-2006, 10:51 AM
No time for even a pregnant pause
Mysterious pains lead to a happy surprise

By CHERIE BLACK
P-I REPORTER

When Jason Britt learned his girlfriend of three years was pregnant and about to give birth, he thought she was joking. He had no idea she had been carrying a baby for the past nine months.

But, then again, neither did she.

Amanda Brisendine, 26, of Maple Valley went to a Group Health clinic Saturday night, complaining of "intense, sharp pains" that would fade after a while. She was sent to a specialist who ordered a pregnancy test. Her pains turned out to be contractions, and 36 hours later an emergency Caesarean section at Overlake Hospital Medical Center in Bellevue produced Alexander Joseph Britt, weighing 7 pounds, 5 ounces.

Brisendine, who works at the Albertson's deli in Eastgate, admitted to feeling a bit sheepish about not realizing she had been pregnant -- especially since she has a 14 month-old daughter, Melodie, to prove she knows what a pregnancy feels like. She said this time around, though, wasn't the same.

"I had no weird cravings and no morning sickness," she said Tuesday while sitting in her hospital bed holding her newborn. "He was hiding."

Flanked by her grandmother, Britt and his mother at a news conference called by the hospital, Brisendine explained how she suffers from polycystic ovarian syndrome and had one of her ovaries removed, and thought her pains were related to that. She was afraid of having her other ovary removed, she said, so she delayed going to the doctor until her pains were almost unbearable.

She said she had regular menstrual cycles, although the past few months were more painful than normal. Plus, she said, the baby didn't move or kick, letting her know he existed.

Dr. Jim Haines, chief of obstetrics at Overlake, who didn't treat Brisendine, said cases like hers appear every couple of years. He said her symptoms are consistent with the syndrome, which is characterized by irregular menstrual cycles. What she thought were cycles was actually bleeding during pregnancy, Haines said, which, at worst, could have meant the placenta had separated. Patients usually have obesity and weight issues, he said, which would have explained her 30-pound weight gain, further masking the pregnancy.

Her grandmother, Claudia Brisendine, said she was even giving her detoxifying tea every night, hoping to make her pain go away.

Haines said the family is lucky the baby is in good health, considering there was no prenatal care, no testing and Brisendine didn't completely quit smoking until last month.

The couple have a crib from when their daughter was born, but had no time to prepare with anything else. Britt, 33, a forklift operator who said he was getting ready for a Halloween party when Brisendine called, helped her think of a name for their son while she was undergoing the C-section.

"It's the quickest pregnancy I've ever seen," he said.

Brisendine said she wants other women to know this happens more often than people think.

"Everybody was so shocked, but they forgot how shocked I was," she said. "Not that it's a bad surprise, but it's a big one."

Now I know what you're wondering:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20061101/450pregnant01_brisendine_fave.JPG

Yeah.

Captain Sensation
11-02-2006, 10:52 AM
Now I know what you're wondering:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20061101/450pregnant01_brisendine_fave.JPG

Yeah.


LOL

Ben
11-02-2006, 10:53 AM
Next time you accidentally call a fat woman pregnant, tell her about this story.

Evan the Shaggy
11-02-2006, 10:54 AM
After reading the article, I kind of figured that the woman would have to be pretty obese to not notice something like being pregnant. Pic confirms it.

Race
11-02-2006, 10:55 AM
Lucky baby. Unfortunately, learning disabilities and/or mental deficiencies related to the smoking and lack of prenatal care may not show up/be recognized for years.

DAVE
11-02-2006, 10:55 AM
This actually happened to a friend of mine. She had no idea. She drank, had coffee everything she usually did, because she had no idea. None of us could tell either, it just looked like she got alittle fat.
Thankfully, the baby was born perfectlly healthy.

mario
11-02-2006, 10:57 AM
I will never believe a woman for one second that claims she didn't know she was pregnant. Apart from the body changes (belly getting bigger, nipples changing color and size, lactation, varicose veins, your organs getting pushed up, morning sickness...) you feel something inside you growing, breathing, hiccupping, kicking

RickLM
11-02-2006, 11:00 AM
I will never believe a woman for one second that claims she didn't know she was pregnant. Apart from the body changes (belly getting bigger, nipples changing color and size, lactation, varicose veins, your organs getting pushed up, morning sickness...) you feel something inside you growing, breathing, hiccupping, kicking


Exactly what I was thinking. When the baby is kicking, wouldn't you think something is up?

Captain Sensation
11-02-2006, 11:01 AM
I will never believe a woman for one second that claims she didn't know she was pregnant. Apart from the body changes (belly getting bigger, nipples changing color and size, lactation, varicose veins, your organs getting pushed up, morning sickness...) you feel something inside you growing, breathing, hiccupping, kicking

Yeah, i read stuff where some women have done this same ploy before, hoping that their boyfriend/husband/whoevertheyarefucking wouldnt leave them upon hearing the subjectively good/horrible news.

TIP
11-02-2006, 11:01 AM
I will never believe a woman for one second that claims she didn't know she was pregnant. Apart from the body changes (belly getting bigger, nipples changing color and size, lactation, varicose veins, your organs getting pushed up, morning sickness...) you feel something inside you growing, breathing, hiccupping, kicking

They may think these 'symptoms" were the result of the three Hoagies they had for brunch.

T

mario
11-02-2006, 11:03 AM
They may think these 'symptoms" were the result of the three Hoagies they had for brunch.

T

Hoagies cause lactation? :scared:

Shane W
11-02-2006, 11:06 AM
Hoagies cause lactation? :scared:

The high quality ones do.

Race
11-02-2006, 11:11 AM
Having a 14 month old, she might still be breast feeding - though the picture seems to reveal that she's more for bottle feeding . . . unfortunately.

TIP
11-02-2006, 11:13 AM
Hoagies cause lactation? :scared:

Yep...my dad's nips leaked for a year after a chance encounter with one when he was stationed in Seoul.

T

SteveFlack
11-02-2006, 11:14 AM
I will never believe a woman for one second that claims she didn't know she was pregnant. Apart from the body changes (belly getting bigger, nipples changing color and size, lactation, varicose veins, your organs getting pushed up, morning sickness...) you feel something inside you growing, breathing, hiccupping, kicking

Well, it did say she had a baby 14 months ago. She might have just thought most of those symptoms are holdovers from her last pregnancy. Compound that with the fact that she appeared to have her normal menstrual cycle, and she suffered from some sort of ovarian disorder that she could just believe that most of those things were because of that, I could see this story as being legit. Sort of like the perfect storm of unknown pregnancy.

-Steve!

Adam Beranek
11-02-2006, 11:15 AM
I think this was on 'Yo Momma' the other day.

The dude said..."Your moms might not even be your real moms...she was just so fat and didn't know she accidentally sat on a crack baby."

TRILL, THE CARBON BASED LIFEFORM
11-02-2006, 11:17 AM
Exactly what I was thinking. When the baby is kicking, wouldn't you think something is up?
??


Plus, she said, the baby didn't move or kick, letting her know he existed.

Marcdachamp
11-02-2006, 11:21 AM
They may think these 'symptoms" were the result of the three Hoagies they had for brunch.

T
Not to mention the small child she had for dessert. ;)

The Roman Candle
11-02-2006, 11:21 AM
I will never believe a woman for one second that claims she didn't know she was pregnant. Apart from the body changes (belly getting bigger, nipples changing color and size, lactation, varicose veins, your organs getting pushed up, morning sickness...) you feel something inside you growing, breathing, hiccupping, kicking

She says she didn't feel any. She also has some ovary condition that she blamed the pain on.

Taki Soma
11-02-2006, 11:39 AM
when I was much younger and in therapy, my therapist started suggesting another doctor for me... I kept wondering why and then she announced that she is going on a maturnity leave....

I HAD NO CLUE!!!

SCOURGE
11-02-2006, 11:41 AM
I don't know how, but something similar happened to a firend of mine...

Erica J Heflin
11-02-2006, 12:10 PM
This is just scary... Remind me to never get fat... so that I'll always figure out that I'm pregnant by at LEAST the third trimester.

SCOURGE
11-02-2006, 01:06 PM
This is just scary... Remind me to never get fat... so that I'll always figure out that I'm pregnant by at LEAST the third trimester.


Post a current picture of yourself so we can keep track for you...

Blake Sims
11-02-2006, 01:16 PM
This happened to a girl from my high school. At least that's what she said...

saymama
11-02-2006, 01:28 PM
I will never believe a woman for one second that claims she didn't know she was pregnant. Apart from the body changes (belly getting bigger, nipples changing color and size, lactation, varicose veins, your organs getting pushed up, morning sickness...) you feel something inside you growing, breathing, hiccupping, kicking

and when's the last time that you were pregnant to say how these things feel and happen? Pregnancy is not a checklist, each one is different. And look at the picture. She seems to have alot of insulation to hide those kicks, and hiccups. Blaize (my oldest son) never moved. He sat inside my pelvis like he was sitting up, legs folded, and facing out to view the world. But I did feel him hiccup, ALOT!

Now, having fussed at you from a woman's standpoint, I'll weigh in as the other woman's side. Yeah she should have sensed that something was up. Even with irregular periods you bleed. That's a tad different that spotting. She probably thought that she hadn't had a period from her 1st pregnancy so therefore she hadn't ovulated. I mean her daughter was 5 months old when she got pregnant. I'm so paranoid, that even with an IUD, I've taken pregnancy tests. But then again I was 2 weeks late! It was stress. She's probably not as in tune with her body as she should be.

Beep Beep!
11-02-2006, 07:28 PM
I know someone who is a cancer survivor (non Hodgkins lymphoma) and was told she could never get pregnant again due to the chemo and radiation treatments.

Back in March she went to her OB for her annual checkup (which was a few months later than it should have been) and the stupid doctor told her she had a mass in her uterus and sent her, immediately, for an MRI and an ultrasound. She thought she had a new cancer and in her car between the docs and the imaging place, she called everybody she could because she was so freaked out.

The imaging place did the ultrasound first and the technician told her, did the doctor do a pregnancy test, because there's a baby in here!! Her own doctor could not apologize enough for not doing the pregnancy test first; but he just assumed there was no way she could be pregnant. They estimated she was about 20 - 24 weeks along. So no cancer, it was a baby; he was born in July.

dEnny!
11-02-2006, 07:34 PM
Sadly, this really isn't news. My wife works in the NICU and this is a pretty common experience. I think some are just in denial and don't want to accept it.

Donal DeLay
11-02-2006, 07:40 PM
On the other hand, every time I get a little nauseous, or dizzy, or eat too much half the people I know ask me if I'm sure I'm not pregnant. So far I've been able to tell myself that they aren't just calling me fat. :mistrust:

I think when I finally do get pregnant I'll probably deny it just because I've been told I was pregnant off and on since I was fifteen.

-Kimberly

Taxman
11-03-2006, 05:54 PM
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Beep Beep!
11-03-2006, 05:57 PM
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Scott Chantler
11-03-2006, 07:26 PM
the picture seems to reveal that she's more for bottle feeding . . . unfortunately.

Fuck off with that. Seriously.

A lot of women aren't able to breastfeed, for lots of reasons. A lot of babies aren't able to, either, again for lots of reasons. And the misplaced indignation of the ever-present Breastfeeding Nazis really doesn't help either one.

So, you know, maybe we could just mind our own business in the future.

Thomas Mauer
11-03-2006, 07:31 PM
We had a similar case in my hometown about 15 years ago. The lady also had heavy bones. :)

mario
11-03-2006, 07:33 PM
and when's the last time that you were pregnant to say how these things feel and happen? Pregnancy is not a checklist, each one is different. And look at the picture. She seems to have alot of insulation to hide those kicks, and hiccups. Blaize (my oldest son) never moved. He sat inside my pelvis like he was sitting up, legs folded, and facing out to view the world. But I did feel him hiccup, ALOT!

Now, having fussed at you from a woman's standpoint, I'll weigh in as the other woman's side. Yeah she should have sensed that something was up. Even with irregular periods you bleed. That's a tad different that spotting. She probably thought that she hadn't had a period from her 1st pregnancy so therefore she hadn't ovulated. I mean her daughter was 5 months old when she got pregnant. I'm so paranoid, that even with an IUD, I've taken pregnancy tests. But then again I was 2 weeks late! It was stress. She's probably not as in tune with her body as she should be.

well, Fiona http://static.flickr.com/62/217676804_3b5c4b9de3.jpg is 3 months old now, so I've been able to follow a pregnancy for more than a year now (previous miscarriage not included)

Thomas Mauer
11-03-2006, 07:35 PM
well, http://static.flickr.com/62/217676804_3b5c4b9de3.jpg is 3 months old now, so I've been able to follow a pregnancy for more than a year now (previous miscarriage not included)
Ahem, I think she meant pregnant like Ahhnold in Twins. :)

Yano
11-03-2006, 07:39 PM
I will never believe a woman for one second that claims she didn't know she was pregnant. Apart from the body changes (belly getting bigger, nipples changing color and size, lactation, varicose veins, your organs getting pushed up, morning sickness...) you feel something inside you growing, breathing, hiccupping, kicking

Shows how much you know about pregnancy. As saymama said, every pregnancy is different, even if you've been pregnant before your next one could be very different. I know someone who had horrible morning sickness with her first pregnancy, and none with her second. Since she had a child so soon before her second one, she could still have the symptoms from her previous pregnancy like the nipple size and coloration. There are also a lot of cases where the woman doesn't have the huge bulge in her belly that we normally associate with pregnancy.

The article also said that the was something wrong with the baby, so it wasn't moving. There are also many things that were mentioned in the article that can account for her not knowing she was pregnant.

I'm sure there are women who are in denial, but I also believe there are some women who have no idea, be it that they're just ignorant about their bodies or they have a condition that may mask the signs of pregnancy...

mario
11-03-2006, 07:44 PM
I'm sure there are women who are in denial, but I also believe there are some women who have no idea, be it that they're just ignorant about their bodies or they have a condition that may mask the signs of pregnancy...

and that's why I'll never believe a woman who says she can't detect she's having a baby. There are too many hints from nature even the most obtuse woman can acknowledge

Race
11-03-2006, 07:46 PM
Fuck off with that. Seriously.

A lot of women aren't able to breastfeed, for lots of reasons. A lot of babies aren't able to, either, again for lots of reasons. And the misplaced indignation of the ever-present Breastfeeding Nazis really doesn't help either one.

So, you know, maybe we could just mind our own business in the future.I won't criticize a person who can't do something that's been shown to have benefits for both the mother and child. A person can't help having inverted nipples or a baby who fails to thrive (not at that point, anyway), and I wasn't implying that they can - if that's the case here, so be it.

But I will remain critical of the mother who chooses not to, simply because she thinks it's "icky" or an "inconvenience" - And, yes, I've heard both of those excuses - that is nothing more than selfishness and it comes at the expense of their own child.

Taxman
11-03-2006, 07:49 PM
and that's why I'll never believe a woman who says she can't detect she's having a baby. There are too many hints from nature even the most obtuse woman can acknowledgeHints sure, but if one has not be pregnant before, how can they have a frame of reference to determine what those hints mean?

Keith P.
11-03-2006, 07:58 PM
I'm so glad I'm not a woman.

Your bodies are so...complex and do funny things.


Not to mention, I like being able to write my name in the snow.

Scott Chantler
11-03-2006, 08:06 PM
But I will remain critical of the mother who chooses not to, simply because she thinks it's "icky" or an "inconvenience" - And, yes, I've heard both of those excuses - that is nothing more than selfishness and it comes at the expense of their own child.

I'm certain the world's mothers are now feeling the sting of shame brought about by your condemnation. Well done, sir.

For my part, I will remain critical of judgemental Internet jackasses.

amy
11-03-2006, 08:08 PM
and that's why I'll never believe a woman who says she can't detect she's having a baby. There are too many hints from nature even the most obtuse woman can acknowledge

and sometimes there are no hints.


and again no pregnancy is the same. There is no cut and dry way for a woman's body to act to pregnancy, birth, miscarriages, menopause, PMS, ovarian cancer, UTIs, or any thing else you can think of. Throw in some medical issues and then it's even more unpredictable.

All anybody can say is "in my experience" but that doesn't mean it holds true for every woman and men (in terms of women's bodies) are least qualified to say what a woman's should/can do. Even male doctors can't say they "know" 100% as they will never experience what a woman goes through.

Just as a woman cannot claim to "know" about male specific issues.

amy
11-03-2006, 08:12 PM
I won't criticize a person who can't do something that's been shown to have benefits for both the mother and child. A person can't help having inverted nipples or a baby who fails to thrive (not at that point, anyway), and I wasn't implying that they can - if that's the case here, so be it.

But I will remain critical of the mother who chooses not to, simply because she thinks it's "icky" or an "inconvenience" - And, yes, I've heard both of those excuses - that is nothing more than selfishness and it comes at the expense of their own child.

I'll be damned if you or anybody should tell me what do with my child and my body (generally speaking) It's not your choice.

She has medical issues that could prevent her from breasfeeding but yet you assume she chose not to. And who is to say it wasn't one time because it was time to feed the baby and she didn't want to be breastfeeding in the picture.

SteveZegers
11-03-2006, 08:23 PM
Sane thing happened to my cousin. Had no idea until 8 months in. Luckily the kid is healthy.

Race
11-03-2006, 08:28 PM
I'll be damned if you or anybody should tell me what do with my child and my body (generally speaking) It's not your choice.

She has medical issues that could prevent her from breasfeeding but yet you assume she chose not to. And who is to say it wasn't one time because it was time to feed the baby and she didn't want to be breastfeeding in the picture.Did you not read my post?

I won't criticize a person who can't do something . . .

And at what point did I tell anybody what to do with their body? I said it was unfortunate that a woman would choose not breastfeed (assuming she was able) and that I am critical of that decision and why I feel that way. Nothing more, nothing less - no condemnations, no petitions, no protests, no crusades.

So, in essence, I guess what I'm saying is: "I'll be damned if I let you or anybody else condemn me for expressing an opinion that differs from yours."

Race
11-03-2006, 08:29 PM
I'm certain the world's mothers are now feeling the sting of shame brought about by your condemnation. Well done, sir.

For my part, I will remain critical of judgemental Internet jackasses.Sounds like someone didn't get enough boob as an infant. :roll:

Yano
11-03-2006, 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Yano
I'm sure there are women who are in denial, but I also believe there are some women who have no idea, be it that they're just ignorant about their bodies or they have a condition that may mask the signs of pregnancy...

and that's why I'll never believe a woman who says she can't detect she's having a baby. There are too many hints from nature even the most obtuse woman can acknowledge

Did you read the rest of my post that you didn't highlight? I also included women who have a condition, be it their weight or a disease, that can mask the signs of pregnancy.

As you can see from many people who've posted here, it's happened to many women. Fortunately, most pregnancies are normal, but there are always those weird pregnancies...

Nature isn't that great at giving hints...take breastfeeding for example...you'd think it was the most natural thing in the world for a baby to know how to do but it's not!

Race
11-03-2006, 08:35 PM
Nature isn't that great at giving hints...take breastfeeding for example...you'd think it was the most natural thing in the world for a baby to know how to do but it's not!IIRC, the medical term for that is "Failure to thrive" and it's a serious condition . . .

Scott Chantler
11-03-2006, 08:35 PM
Sounds like someone didn't get enough boob as an infant. :roll:

Breastfeeding was actually pretty rare a generation ago. Amazing that we all made it, apparently.

Yano
11-03-2006, 08:37 PM
But I will remain critical of the mother who chooses not to, simply because she thinks it's "icky" or an "inconvenience" - And, yes, I've heard both of those excuses - that is nothing more than selfishness and it comes at the expense of their own child.

I kinda see where you're coming from, but breastfeeding is VERY difficult. It can be pretty painful and frustrating at first, I was tempted to throw in the towel in the beginning. I wouldn't hold it against any woman if they don't want to breastfeed, even if it was a choice they decided to make due to thinking it was gross, weird or not fitting into their lifestyle.

I would rather have a mother bond with her baby while she was feeding her formula than a mother who was resenting her baby as she's breastfeeding because she feels she's being forced to.

True, breastmilk is best for a baby, but many people have been brought up on formula and turned out OK.

Scott Chantler
11-03-2006, 08:38 PM
She has medical issues that could prevent her from breasfeeding but yet you assume she chose not to. And who is to say it wasn't one time because it was time to feed the baby and she didn't want to be breastfeeding in the picture.

Plus, who's to say that bottle in the picture isn't full of breast milk?

Methinks "Race" just desperately wanted to share his opinion on breastfeeding with us. Apparently he has one.

Race
11-03-2006, 08:38 PM
Breastfeeding was actually pretty rare a generation ago. Amazing that we all made it, apparently.Not as amazing as how the trend of all those mothers encouraged to get out of the house and pursue their own professions - aided by the use of formula - is starting to reverse, and more and more professional women are leaving lucrative, full-time jobs to stay at home with their babies.

EDIT: I'm sorry, where was the "No opinions" rule for this forum, again?

mario
11-03-2006, 08:43 PM
Did you read the rest of my post that you didn't highlight? I also included women who have a condition, be it their weight or a disease, that can mask the signs of pregnancy.

As you can see from many people who've posted here, it's happened to many women.


yeah, well, there's never a followup on those stories. I'll just remain ultra-sceptical with such claims.
peace!

Race
11-03-2006, 08:46 PM
I kinda see where you're coming from, but breastfeeding is VERY difficult. It can be pretty painful and frustrating at first, I was tempted to throw in the towel in the beginning. I wouldn't hold it against any woman if they don't want to breastfeed, even if it was a choice they decided to make due to thinking it was gross, weird or not fitting into their lifestyle.

I would rather have a mother bond with her baby while she was feeding her formula than a mother who was resenting her baby as she's breastfeeding because she feels she's being forced to.

True, breastmilk is best for a baby, but many people have been brought up on formula and turned out OK.Including myself (actually, I had a mixture of both) - though I did battle some serious illnesses as an infant.

Intellectually, I understand what you are saying - My wife had misgivings about breastfeeding, as it was indeed painful for her at first. But she hung in there and now counts our son's time nursing as one of the most fulfilling, intimate experiences of her life.

Emotionally, I'm having trouble fully registering it. Maybe it's because I'm a male and can't really experience it. I do know that I would literally bleed myself dry for my son, no matter how much it hurt, if I could ensure his well-being.

Yano
11-03-2006, 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by Yano
Nature isn't that great at giving hints...take breastfeeding for example...you'd think it was the most natural thing in the world for a baby to know how to do but it's not!
IIRC, the medical term for that is "Failure to thrive" and it's a serious condition . . .

Medical term for what? The fact that babies don't come out of the womb with a good breastfeeding technique? No, I don't think that's "Failure to thrive". An infant who is failing to thrive is one whose weight is well below the norm for their age and sex. That can happen to a breastfed or formula fed child.


Not as amazing as how the trend of all those mothers encouraged to get out of the house and pursue their own professions - aided by the use of formula - is starting to reverse, and more and more professional women are leaving lucrative, full-time jobs to stay at home with their babies.

EDIT: I'm sorry, where was the "No opinions" rule for this forum, again?

Opinions are fine! Just as long as you don't resort to namecalling or saying "You're a bad mommy!" :razz:

I grew up in the generation of formula fed babies...I was pretty shocked when I found I wasn't breastfed...I was always under that impression. But as Scott said, we all turned out OK.

The great thing now is that breastfeeding is making a comeback. Many companies even have nursing rooms for women to pump - a woman doesn't have to sacrifice her job to stay at home to breastfeed the baby, not that being a stay at home mom is a bad thing (if I have two more I'm done with work - my salary would be the same as putting three kids in daycare).

But I don't think that breastfeeding is the best thing ever. I was actually told to give my baby formula when he was an infant because he was jaundiced - that is a common thing seen in breastfed babies. Also, since iron does not get passed through the breastmilk (as well as other vitamins) breastfed babies need to have iron supplements.

Yano
11-03-2006, 08:53 PM
IIntellectually, I understand what you are saying - My wife had misgivings about breastfeeding, as it was indeed painful for her at first. But she hung in there and now counts our son's time nursing as one of the most fulfilling, intimate experiences of her life.

I wanted to breastfeed, and I was pretty stubborn about doing it, even though it was EXTREMELY painful and my son had no idea how to latch on. I made a couple trips to a lactation consultant, and it's pretty weird and a little embarrassing to have a woman manhandle your boob and try to stick it in your babies mouth the right way. It got easier as time went on, though every now and then he regresses, and yes, it is such a great experience. To tell the truth, I don't know what I'll do with myself once I stop breastfeeding my baby - it's just so natural to feed him (well, now it is) and it's also a lot cheaper! :wink:

Race
11-03-2006, 08:58 PM
Opinions are fine! Just as long as you don't resort to namecalling or saying "You're a bad mommy!" :razz:Haven't yet. Don't plan to.


But I don't think that breastfeeding is the best thing ever. I was actually told to give my baby formula when he was an infant because he was jaundiced - that is a common thing seen in breastfed babies. Also, since iron does not get passed through the breastmilk (as well as other vitamins) breastfed babies need to have iron supplements.Our doctors gave those suppliments (in pill form) to my wife, to be passed on through the breastmilk.

The jaundice thing is news to me, though.

The bulk of my criticism comes from hearing a young mother say she wouldn't breastfeed because it was gross to her and too much trouble. This same young mother lost a set of twins not too long before this - twins she hoped that both of whom, she admitted out loud, wouldn't make it because she didn't want two babies this early in her marriage - let alone one.

You might see how this left a very sour taste in my mouth, so to speak . . .


To tell the truth, I don't know what I'll do with myself once I stop breastfeeding my baby - it's just so natural to feed him (well, now it is) and it's also a lot cheaper! My wife cried at her last feeding.

Yano
11-03-2006, 09:00 PM
Plus, who's to say that bottle in the picture isn't full of breast milk?

That's a good point. If she just had the baby, she probably hasn't even begun lactating yet (which starts about 3 days after the baby is born). It's probably formula...babies really don't need milk when they're first born, they suck at the breast not to get milk, but to get colostrum, the stuff that comes out before you lactate..

Scott Chantler
11-03-2006, 09:01 PM
Not as amazing as how the trend of all those mothers encouraged to get out of the house and pursue their own professions - aided by the use of formula - is starting to reverse, and more and more professional women are leaving lucrative, full-time jobs to stay at home with their babies.

So a single mother who works odd hours would be "selfish" (to use your word) for not quitting her job to breastfeed? In a case like that, you'd rather her kids be homeless than bottlefed?


I'm sorry, where was the "No opinions" rule for this forum, again?

You know how to tell when anonymous Internet posters have been completely backed into a corner on their "opinions?" They start complaining about being persecuted for them.

Yano
11-03-2006, 09:04 PM
The bulk of my criticism comes from hearing a young mother say she wouldn't breastfeed because it was gross to her and too much trouble. This same young mother lost a set of twins not too long before this - twins she hoped that both of whom, she admitted out loud, wouldn't make it because she didn't want two babies this early in her marriage - let alone one.

You might see how this left a very sour taste in my mouth, so to speak . . .


Aha! That's where it comes from.

Sounds like the person you speak of should never have become a mother at all - as you said, she was young and not in the place where she was ready to have babies. Didn't they use birth control? It's horrible to wish such ill things on your unborn babies.

Race
11-03-2006, 09:05 PM
So a single mother who works odd hours would be "selfish" (to use your word) for not quitting her job to breastfeed? In a case like that, you'd rather her kids be homeless than bottlefed?Is this the norm? Should it be the norm?


You know how to tell when anonymous Internet posters have been completely backed into a corner on their "opinions?" They start complaining about being persecuted for them.:blah:

Race
11-03-2006, 09:09 PM
Aha! That's where it comes from.

Sounds like the person you speak of should never have become a mother at all - as you said, she was young and not in the place where she was ready to have babies. Didn't they use birth control? It's horrible to wish such ill things on your unborn babies.I forget. But I know that it's going to haunt her for the rest of her life.

There is also another young mother, a friend of the first actually, who lost her first child after 3 days due a deformity (brain/skull didn't fully form) that doctors speculated could've been prevented with a proper diet and a folic acid suppliment. One of the saddest funerals I've been to.

She, too, is haunted by that.

It tears me up to think about people (and babies) suffering for something so easily correctible.

Scott Chantler
11-03-2006, 09:14 PM
Is this the norm? Should it be the norm?

It's the reality. For a lot of people. But apparently anyone who doesn't fit "the norm" is going to have to face the disapproving smilie eyerolls of comic book nerds on message boards.


:blah:

Most intelligent thing you've said so far.

Scott Chantler
11-03-2006, 09:17 PM
There is also another young mother, a friend of the first actually, who lost her first child after 3 days due a deformity (brain/skull didn't fully form) that doctors speculated could've been prevented with a proper diet and a folic acid suppliment.

Are you really saying that this baby died within 3 days from DRINKING FORMULA? I defy you to prove this statement.

Race
11-03-2006, 09:21 PM
It's the reality. For a lot of people.So we should just give up working for a better tommorrow then, right? "Well, single parents are struggling to make ends meet, we lost the war on poverty and broken homes - time to move on." No thank you.


But apparently anyone who doesn't fit "the norm" is going to have to face the disapproving smilie eyerolls of comic book nerds on message boards. . . . and those who do fit "the norm" get to be haranged by judgemental hypocrites on message boards.


Most intelligent thing you've said so far.Unfortunately, I've yet to hear anything out of you that deserves such a compliment.

Race
11-03-2006, 09:22 PM
Are you really saying that this baby died within 3 days from DRINKING FORMULA? I defy you to prove this statement.This converstion has moved beyond simply being about formula. Keep up.

Yano
11-03-2006, 09:41 PM
Are you really saying that this baby died within 3 days from DRINKING FORMULA? I defy you to prove this statement.

Um yeah, he said that the baby had a skull deformity due to the mother's lack of pregnancy nutrition. Anyone with good prenatal care would have known to take vitamins esp folic acid.

TRILL, THE CARBON BASED LIFEFORM
11-03-2006, 09:41 PM
I heard this song on the radio this morning:
There ain't no good guy
there ain't no bad guy
there's just you and me
and we both disagreeee.

I don't remember the name of the song.

Scott Chantler
11-03-2006, 10:37 PM
Um yeah, he said that the baby had a skull deformity due to the mother's lack of pregnancy nutrition. Anyone with good prenatal care would have known to take vitamins esp folic acid.

Ah...he meant the *mother's* diet. Gotcha.

Scott Chantler
11-03-2006, 10:43 PM
So we should just give up working for a better tommorrow then, right? "Well, single parents are struggling to make ends meet, we lost the war on poverty and broken homes - time to move on." No thank you.

You really will go to any lengths to justify looking down your nose at people, won't you? Apparently you're now "working for a better tomorrow." Keep fighting the good fight, "Race"!


This converstion has moved beyond simply being about formula.

Good thing, too, because you really didn't have a leg to stand on there.


Unfortunately, I've yet to hear anything out of you that deserves such a compliment.

And I've yet to hear anything out of you that you'd actually have the nerve to say out loud in a room full of actual flesh-and-blood women. Internet courage at its finest.

The Roman Candle
11-03-2006, 11:03 PM
Curses! Foiled again by the german need to dub every foreign film and TV show! :mad:

(99 Luftballons sucks, btw.)

NO WAY! 99 Luftballoons does not suck! It is the rocking good music times! YOU SUCK! :x :x :x :x :x








:heart:

Taxman
11-03-2006, 11:30 PM
I won't criticize a person who can't do something that's been shown to have benefits for both the mother and child. A person can't help having inverted nipples or a baby who fails to thrive (not at that point, anyway), and I wasn't implying that they can - if that's the case here, so be it.

But I will remain critical of the mother who chooses not to, simply because she thinks it's "icky" or an "inconvenience" - And, yes, I've heard both of those excuses - that is nothing more than selfishness and it comes at the expense of their own child.You don't know what you're talking about.

saymama
11-04-2006, 12:35 AM
well, Fiona http://static.flickr.com/62/217676804_3b5c4b9de3.jpg is 3 months old now, so I've been able to follow a pregnancy for more than a year now (previous miscarriage not included)

and isn't fiona adorable, but you missed the point! Did you carry her inside you to know exactly what everything feels like?

saymama
11-04-2006, 12:40 AM
Did you read the rest of my post that you didn't highlight? I also included women who have a condition, be it their weight or a disease, that can mask the signs of pregnancy.

As you can see from many people who've posted here, it's happened to many women. Fortunately, most pregnancies are normal, but there are always those weird pregnancies...

Nature isn't that great at giving hints...take breastfeeding for example...you'd think it was the most natural thing in the world for a baby to know how to do but it's not!

another thing about breastfeeding, there's this myth that as long as you are breastfeeding you can not ovulate and get pregnant. Being that she got pregnant when her oldest was only 5 months old, she could have very well been breastfeeding and pregnancy never entered her mind since she thought she was protected.

saymama
11-04-2006, 12:44 AM
IIRC, the medical term for that is "Failure to thrive" and it's a serious condition . . .

no it's not. Failure to thrive is when even with adequate feedings the baby does not gain weight at a normal and steady pace or gains nothing at all or loses weight.

I think what Yano is speaking of is the baby not having a clue as to how to latch on and actually suckle. It's supposed to be normal, but I am one mom who never could get her baby to nurse. The lactation consultant told me that I was nervous and he read that. he refused pacifiers as well. But years later, we found out that he was orally defensive because of his sensory issues due to his autism. So, HA, you crazy lactation bitch!

The Roman Candle
11-04-2006, 02:05 AM
I won't criticize a person who can't do something that's been shown to have benefits for both the mother and child. A person can't help having inverted nipples or a baby who fails to thrive (not at that point, anyway), and I wasn't implying that they can - if that's the case here, so be it.

But I will remain critical of the mother who chooses not to, simply because she thinks it's "icky" or an "inconvenience" - And, yes, I've heard both of those excuses - that is nothing more than selfishness and it comes at the expense of their own child.

You know, breast milk can be bottled.

The Roman Candle
11-04-2006, 02:07 AM
Not as amazing as how the trend of all those mothers encouraged to get out of the house and pursue their own professions - aided by the use of formula - is starting to reverse, and more and more professional women are leaving lucrative, full-time jobs to stay at home with their babies.

EDIT: I'm sorry, where was the "No opinions" rule for this forum, again?

No one is telling you not to have opinions, they're just expressing their own opinions that you're a fucking moron.

Their opinions, that is. Not mine, of course.

The Roman Candle
11-04-2006, 02:10 AM
. . . and those who do fit "the norm" get to be haranged by judgemental hypocrites on message boards.


Oh the ironing is delicious.

Thomas Mauer
11-04-2006, 02:18 AM
Oh the ironing is delicious.
I prefer drycleaning myself.

The Roman Candle
11-04-2006, 02:57 AM
I prefer drycleaning myself.

It's a Simpsons reference. I don't expect you foreigners to get it. :miffed:

Don't feel left out... I'm bound to make a "99 luftballoons" reference sooner or later...



;)

Thomas Mauer
11-04-2006, 03:11 AM
It's a Simpsons reference. I don't expect you foreigners to get it. :miffed:

Don't feel left out... I'm bound to make a "99 luftballoons" reference sooner or later...



;)
Curses! Foiled again by the german need to dub every foreign film and TV show! :mad:

(99 Luftballons sucks, btw.)

Beep Beep!
11-04-2006, 11:15 AM
Our oldest was premature and spent 10 weeks in the hospital before he came home. I worked my butt off to breast feed and this is our story:

I used a pump from the day he was born and froze all of the milk. They would alternate my breast milk and formula when they would feed him by gavage. He developed a staph infection at one point,and in an attempt to discover where it came from my breast milk was cultured. A high staph count was detected in my breast milk - a naturally occuring phenomenon that a normal immune system would overcome, but not the immune system of a premature baby. We were very lucky; they put him on vancomycin and he recovered. The hospital threw out the milk I brought to them and directed me to throw out all of the frozen breast milk we had at home. My OB put me on an antibiotic prescription and I was told to keep pumping and that they could use my milk when he gained some weight and had a more developed immune system. It was extremely discouraging and devastating, to learn that I may have given him the staph (which could have come from anywhere, really, as staph infections are common in premature infants) but I kept up with the pumping.

He did learn to breast feed after he learned to take a bottle. I used the pump for about 8 - 9 weeks before he was old enough to try to breastfeed. When he came home I would alternate feedings between the bottle and the boob, and did this for about 2 months after he came home from the hospital. I tried to give him the benefit of breast milk, I really did; and I'm sure he got some benefit. But in hindsight, I probably wouldn't do it again.