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Afny
10-17-2006, 03:18 PM
I've been thinking about doing a project for a while now in ink and water color. Like, normal inking, but coloring with watercolor, kind of. Is there any specific way to do this? Or should I just sketch, lay down the color, and add the ink last. Anyway, thanks for your help.

(Oh, by the way, I found some old paint tubes labeled "Poster Colour", but all the other words on the box are in german...I don't even know where I got them. Are they water colors, or oil or something. I have no idea.)

DaGetHighKnight
10-17-2006, 03:46 PM
Those poster colors are water based crap IMO. I would do it like you said ..Pencil, Piant (let dry) then ink.

Afny
10-17-2006, 03:47 PM
Aight. I'll practice with kiddy watercolor until I go and buy some good stuff tommorow.

Professor Oreo
10-17-2006, 03:59 PM
Anything that says "poster" paint is usually some really thinned out acrylic shit. Avoid them like the plague... even for making posters.

I agree with TheGetHighKnight. Go pencil, watercolor, then ink. That way you don't have to worry about potentially fucking things up if the watercolor causes you inking work to bleed... unless that's the look you're shooting for.

Afny
10-17-2006, 04:12 PM
Anything that says "poster" paint is usually some really thinned out acrylic shit. Avoid them like the plague... even for making posters.

I agree with TheGetHighKnight. Go pencil, watercolor, then ink. That way you don't have to worry about potentially fucking things up if the watercolor causes you inking work to bleed... unless that's the look you're shooting for.

Heh...I'll throw those out then. I have real acrylics, theyre just not what I want for this project.

pornbot2.5
10-17-2006, 04:25 PM
I have tried it both ways and it works. But if you do ink->watercolor, make sure the ink is waterproof like rapidograph ink.

mlpeters
10-17-2006, 04:59 PM
I use Speedball Super Black ink and haven't had trouble laying color on top. Mike Kaluta told me he painted over his inks.

You have to be careful, painting over ink, but it's hard to get the same line quality, inking on a crust of paint, as you would inking directly on the paper.

You could also color over a photocopy made on bristol or heavy card stock. I've done that on pages where I've had to paste down lettering, like the stories I've done for Heavy Metal.

Afny
10-17-2006, 05:43 PM
Okay, I'm all set up to paint a quick sketch, but I had another question. I've hardly ever worked in watercolor, and I need to make it look like its raining...how would I go about that?

DaGetHighKnight
10-17-2006, 05:45 PM
now your pushing it... ;)

monkeyboy
10-17-2006, 05:52 PM
This is only my experience here, and i am not trying to give you rules set in stone. But this is what i've learned from past mistakes.prisma makes a really good dry, or as you said kiddie, watercolorset at a decent price. And if you want to ink it with brush and quill use speedball ink. If you are inking by pen use pigmas. First you do a rough sketch on ANOTHEr piece of paper. Just so you have your rough layout but also so you can plan all your shadows and light spots. then VERY LIGHTLY sketch out your picture on some watercolor paper. Lay down all your paints next. Me personally, after the paints have dried i then go back and add highlights with colored pencil. And last you lay down your inks. i've tried inks and then paints before and i gave the inks about a week to dry. But as soon as the water touched my ink the picture went to shit. Goodluck with your pic and i hope you'll post it once you're done.

monkeyboy
10-17-2006, 05:58 PM
Okay, I'm all set up to paint a quick sketch, but I had another question. I've hardly ever worked in watercolor, and I need to make it look like its raining...how would I go about that?

use a wash back ground. experiment on some NON watercolor paper first,it's cheaper. Load up your brush with alot of paint, and the less water the better. Then do a line across the page. Next use another brush with ONLY water in it. Work an area of water up to the line and let the pigment flow through that area. The result should be heavy pigment at top fading into nothing. To balance out the fading keep using more water. Now use this effect in diagonal streaks in your background. Feel free to use a white out pen or colored pencils to give you more options.

Afny
10-17-2006, 05:59 PM
This is only my experience here, and i am not trying to give you rules set in stone. But this is what i've learned from past mistakes.prisma makes a really good dry, or as you said kiddie, watercolorset at a decent price. And if you want to ink it with brush and quill use speedball ink. If you are inking by pen use pigmas. First you do a rough sketch on ANOTHEr piece of paper. Just so you have your rough layout but also so you can plan all your shadows and light spots. then VERY LIGHTLY sketch out your picture on some watercolor paper. Lay down all your paints next. Me personally, after the paints have dried i then go back and add highlights with colored pencil. And last you lay down your inks. i've tried inks and then paints before and i gave the inks about a week to dry. But as soon as the water touched my ink the picture went to shit. Goodluck with your pic and i hope you'll post it once you're done.

Thanks for the advice, and I will post it when I'm done.

Afny
10-17-2006, 06:01 PM
use a wash back ground. experiment on some NON watercolor paper first,it's cheaper. Load up your brush with alot of paint, and the less water the better. Then do a line across the page. Next use another brush with ONLY water in it. Work an area of water up to the line and let the pigment flow through that area. The result should be heavy pigment at top fading into nothing. To balance out the fading keep using more water. Now use this effect in diagonal streaks in your background. Feel free to use a white out pen or colored pencils to give you more options.

Ahh, okay. I knew I'd seen that technique before, but I couldn't remember it for the life of me. Right now I'm just practicing with acrylic paper. It doesn't become useless as fast as regular paper, so I should have it down when I get some real stuff.

mlpeters
10-17-2006, 06:01 PM
This is only my experience here, and i am not trying to give you rules set in stone. But this is what i've learned from past mistakes.prisma makes a really good dry, or as you said kiddie, watercolorset at a decent price. And if you want to ink it with brush and quill use speedball ink. If you are inking by pen use pigmas. First you do a rough sketch on ANOTHEr piece of paper. Just so you have your rough layout but also so you can plan all your shadows and light spots. then VERY LIGHTLY sketch out your picture on some watercolor paper. Lay down all your paints next. Me personally, after the paints have dried i then go back and add highlights with colored pencil. And last you lay down your inks. i've tried inks and then paints before and i gave the inks about a week to dry. But as soon as the water touched my ink the picture went to shit. Goodluck with your pic and i hope you'll post it once you're done.
I paint over inks quite often with little trouble. If you're not careful, you can disturb even the most stable "water-proof" inks, but it can be done. Like I said before, Kaluta paints over his inks -- if it's good enough for Kaluta...

Personally, I don't like inking on top of paint crust, unless it's just a little touching-up. It just doesn't take ink as well as the paper surface.

monkeyboy
10-17-2006, 06:02 PM
Thanks for the advice, and I will post it when I'm done.

cool. you may also want to check your local art supply store like Michaels. They often have little quick classes that might cost ya 5 or 10 bucks but they can teach you the basics of brush strokes and mixing on paper.

Afny
10-17-2006, 06:07 PM
cool. you may also want to check your local art supply store like Michaels. They often have little quick classes that might cost ya 5 or 10 bucks but they can teach you the basics of brush strokes and mixing on paper.

I've learned alot of this already, my high school art teacher rocks, but I'm very tired and its been a year since I painted anything, and longer since I've done anything water color. And also, the nearest art store is an hour away, and I don't have a car.