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Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:02 PM
Hoping it's a good card. Because Shamrock's gonna die about 15 seconds in to his fight with Tito.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:07 PM
Hamill/Petruzelli first. Been wanting to see Hamill since Ultimate Fighter.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 04:08 PM
Maybe Ortiz has been too distracted by Jenna and Shamrock will win. Thus making for the inevitable five-fight series the UFC has been dreaming of.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 04:09 PM
What's with MMA fighters lifting nicknames from other fighters?
Jim T.
10-10-2006, 04:09 PM
What time is the Shamrock fight?
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:13 PM
ken tito is the main event, so probably 8:30ish or later.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:14 PM
Hamill pretty much dominated the first round. Petruzelli is cut under his left eye.

check that, his eye is FUCKED, just not quite fucked enough to stop the fight
Briomega
10-10-2006, 04:16 PM
Feh, will catch the replay on Saturday.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:17 PM
Petruzelli rocked him, but Matt managed to get him down and on top of him. damn.

and one of the pretaped fights was a massive bleeder judging from the mat
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:18 PM
Feh, will catch the replay on Saturday.

dude. :no:
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:21 PM
this might get called due to cuts
Briomega
10-10-2006, 04:23 PM
this might get called due to cuts

Yeah, that looks bad. And man, the other fight must've been a bloodbath. It's all over the place.
Briomega
10-10-2006, 04:25 PM
Matt looks really good.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:26 PM
Matt looks really good.

but like Rogan said, a little hesitant to advance in the guard
Kirblar
10-10-2006, 04:26 PM
Matt looks terrible, actually. He cannot do ANYTHING but take Seth down.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:27 PM
Big take down. Both guys faces are fucked.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:27 PM
Matt looks terrible, actually. He cannot do ANYTHING but take Seth down.

he's not doing enough damage once he's on the ground
Briomega
10-10-2006, 04:28 PM
Matt looks terrible, actually. He cannot do ANYTHING but take Seth down.

I meant physically. He looks really fit.
Kirblar
10-10-2006, 04:29 PM
Well, duh. He looks not-ready-for-primetime though.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:29 PM
Petruzelli made up some ground in the third, but Matt just had too many take downs I think.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:31 PM
Well, duh. He looks not-ready-for-primetime though.

yeah, but he's got a world of potential if he gets better with his hands and more aggressive on the ground.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:31 PM
Well, duh. He looks not-ready-for-primetime though.

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WillieLee
10-10-2006, 04:31 PM
Well, duh. He looks not-ready-for-primetime though.

It's only his fourth fight and he has no stand-up background. But he is progressing better than some wrestlers. He'll have to fight lower-tier fighters for a while before he can go in with someone talented.
Briomega
10-10-2006, 04:32 PM
Good for Matt. He's got the potential to be a great fighter someday.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 04:33 PM
I just want him to win so I can hear the deaf-talk.
Kirblar
10-10-2006, 04:33 PM
It's only his fourth fight and he has no stand-up background. But he is progressing better than some wrestlers. He'll have to fight lower-tier fighters for a while before he can go in with someone talented.
What I mean is, I, as a UFC viewer, do not want to watch him :-P

He's boring.
Briomega
10-10-2006, 04:34 PM
What I mean is, I, as a UFC viewer, do not want to watch him :-P

He's boring.

Bah.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 04:35 PM
What I mean is, I, as a UFC viewer, do not want to watch him :-P

He's boring.

Understandable. And he's going to be boring for a while yet. MMA has gotten to the level of boxing where you have to nuture fighters so they don't get blown out early in their careers. The problem is that we have to watch the progression. But at least it's free.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:38 PM
Understandable. And he's going to be boring for a while yet. MMA has gotten to the level of boxing where you have to nuture fighters so they don't get blown out early in their careers. The problem is that we have to watch the progression. But at least it's free.

I think Hamill is gonna end up being a beast
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 04:40 PM
I think Hamill is gonna end up being a beast

He has the talent. But he is very vulnerable in the stand-up.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 04:43 PM
I really wish someone would get creative in these pre-fight bumpers. Start crying or talk about how they have no chance in the fight.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:46 PM
now this is a good ground fight
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:47 PM
wow. that was awesome
Briomega
10-10-2006, 04:48 PM
Damn, great fight but Herman got pwned at the end.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 04:49 PM
Damn, great fight but Herman got pwned at the end.

i thought he broke his arm off at first the way it was twisted around right as he went for the hold
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 04:50 PM
I never liked Herman. I guess he'll have to wait to teach Tito that lesson.
Briomega
10-10-2006, 04:52 PM
i thought he broke his arm off at first the way it was twisted around right as he went for the hold

Yeah, that was a great series of reversals but that last move was brilliant. Do have to give Herman credit for not panicking and staying in that for so long.
Briomega
10-10-2006, 05:11 PM
Zzzzzzzzz...wha? Are they gonna have another fight now?
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 05:13 PM
Zzzzzzzzz...wha? Are they gonna have another fight now?

No, they need to do some more bumpers on how each fighter feels he is going to win the fight.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:17 PM
yeah they really need to work on the pacing of these shows on free tv
Briomega
10-10-2006, 05:18 PM
Stopped too early. He was defending himself. Though it was inevitable. Not impressed with Kendall at all.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 05:18 PM
yeah they really need to work on the pacing of these shows on free tv

If they took out all the time devoted to bumpers they could easily add another fight.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:19 PM
Stopped too early. He was defending himself. Though it was inevitable. Not impressed with Kendall at all.

it was like tito shamrock 2. stopped it about 10 seconds too early
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:22 PM
oooh he tapped
Kirblar
10-10-2006, 05:24 PM
Lawl at going to live footage of shamrock putting on his cup.
Briomega
10-10-2006, 05:24 PM
oooh he tapped

Did he? Missed that.

Still not impressed with Kendall though. :razz:
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:25 PM
Did he? Missed that.

Still not impressed with Kendall though. :razz:

I don't see how anybody saw it live at full speed, but yeah on the replays he clearly was tappping. at least when he wasn't instinctively trying to block. he was getting killed.


Tito kills Ken, next
Briomega
10-10-2006, 05:27 PM
I don't see how anybody saw it live at full speed, but yeah on the replays he clearly was tappping. at least when he wasn't instinctively trying to block. he was getting killed.


Tito kills Ken, next

Would be funny as hell if this ended even faster than the last one.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 05:33 PM
'He wasn't hurting me. Taking non-stop elbows to the face was all part of my plan.'
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:36 PM
'He wasn't hurting me. Taking non-stop elbows to the face was all part of my plan.'

there is an angle where it looks like the elbows are largely missing. I don't think it was a horrible stoppage. Just a second or two too soon. I think UFC was just paranoid about Tito permanantly injuring Ken, and rightly so.
Kirblar
10-10-2006, 05:37 PM
Rap SUCKS 99% of the time for entrance music.
Briomega
10-10-2006, 05:37 PM
there is an angle where it looks like the elbows are largely missing. I don't think it was a horrible stoppage. Just a second or two too soon. I think UFC was just paranoid about Tito permanantly injuring Ken, and rightly so.

Well, Tito threatened that he would never stop hitting Shamrock and that they'd have to pull him off him or he'd cripple/kill him. So, I think they went in overcautious.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 05:39 PM
there is an angle where it looks like the elbows are largely missing. I don't think it was a horrible stoppage. Just a second or two too soon. I think UFC was just paranoid about Tito permanantly injuring Ken, and rightly so.

I'm speaking more to Ken's delusion. Another 20 seconds in that fight wouldn't have changed anything.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:39 PM
Rap SUCKS 99% of the time for entrance music.

well, to be fair, any music without an instant hook and the right beat. wwe has set that bar fairly high
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:40 PM
I'm speaking more to Ken's delusion. Another 20 seconds in that fight wouldn't have changed anything.

yeah I don't doubt that one bit
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 05:42 PM
yeah I don't doubt that one bit

I now predict that Ken will post the upset! His prefight interview convinced me. :shifty:
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:42 PM
jenna has a pacifier around her neck :rofl: tito ortiz is ric flair
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:43 PM
ken just can't get out of it
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:44 PM
and there it is
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 05:45 PM
Too Soon!
Briomega
10-10-2006, 05:46 PM
Classy. Finally, from both guys.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:46 PM
and the nice finish and everything
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:47 PM
Too Soon!

Ken lasted longer than I thought he would. He's just too old too get out from under Tito like that
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 05:47 PM
Finally this is over with. Now the wait for December.
Oeming
10-10-2006, 05:48 PM
Yep, Tito. He was ALMOST a dick about it too, but ken got him to man up and be honrable about it. Good fight, good end to an amazing career.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 05:49 PM
Ken lasted longer than I thought he would. He's just too old too get out from under Tito like that

That's what has bothered me about this whole rematch nonsense. Tito showed that Ken was too old in their first fight.
Briomega
10-10-2006, 05:50 PM
Yep, Tito. He was ALMOST a dick about it too, but ken got him to man up and be honrable about it. Good fight, good end to an amazing career.

To be fair, I think he figured Ken was getting ready to start the same old shit. Good fight and good end.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:53 PM
That's what has bothered me about this whole rematch nonsense. Tito showed that Ken was too old in their first fight.

actually if he hadn't taken the wear and tear of a pro wrestling deal for a few years he might could still go.
Oeming
10-10-2006, 05:54 PM
Tito even apologized for being a bit of a dick right after, with the shirt and all- very cool
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 05:58 PM
Tito even apologized for being a bit of a dick right after, with the shirt and all- very cool

I'm just glad it's over and we can see the Lidell/Ortiz rematch. Because I think Tito is a much different fighter than he was in that first fight. More mature and more focused.
Smokinblues
10-10-2006, 05:59 PM
I'm just glad it's over and we can see the Lidell/Ortiz rematch. Because I think Tito is a much different fighter than he was in that first fight. More mature and more focused.

I still want Liddell to kill him.
PeteL
10-10-2006, 05:59 PM
Good fight. I'm glad they buried the hatchet. It didn't look like Tito was going to, but he did the right thing.

Now we get to hype up for Lidell/Ortiz. Woot!
Briomega
10-10-2006, 06:00 PM
I still want Liddell to kill him.

Should be a great fight, but I still see The Iceman winning again.
WillieLee
10-10-2006, 06:04 PM
I still want Liddell to kill him.

I'm on the fence about this one. I just want to see a good fight and not the 'run at Chuck and get hit' scenario that has happened recently.
Cuckoo
10-10-2006, 06:08 PM
Ha. Anyways a pretty good fight.
FedEx Fanboy
10-10-2006, 07:48 PM
Eh...

Tonight was one of the weaker Ultimate Fight nights.

Here's my quick recap:

-Matt Hamill proves yet again he's a one trick pony and will get his ass handed to him if the UFC ever puts him up against someone who can strike.

-Jason MacDonald proved he was up to the hype in a great fight.

-Kendall Grove did a good job even though I don't care for him much.

-Tito beat Ken again, big surprise.

-And of course the UFC decides blacks out one of the best fighters on the card, Nathan Marquardt.

Even though UFC 64 is Saturday, I can't help but keep thinking how awesome the PRIDE FC "The Real Deal" show is going to be!!!
eroz
10-10-2006, 07:57 PM
What UFC event was the Lidell-Ortiz fight?
Briomega
10-10-2006, 08:07 PM
What UFC event was the Lidell-Ortiz fight?

UFC 47
eroz
10-10-2006, 08:08 PM
UFC 47
ahh ok that should definitely be out on netflix...
half guard
10-10-2006, 08:28 PM
the buyrate for ortiz-liddell 2 should be pretty solid. regardless of the outcome those guys are going to make a killing between the fight pay, win bonus, and their pay per view shares.
Ziolko
10-10-2006, 08:36 PM
I had a good time watching, though I think I'm more excited about the possibility of Carter vs Sera on TUF this week.
Brewtown Andy
10-10-2006, 10:21 PM
yeah they really need to work on the pacing of these shows on free tvI realize they have to show a certain number of commercials, but there is a LOT of wasted time. They really didn't need to interview Rich. They're showing a million fucking commercials for the show on Saturday, so either you're going to buy it or you're not.

I do like that I'm on the cable company's mailing list for ads for UFC shows. :D
Brewtown Andy
10-10-2006, 10:34 PM
oooh he tappedI have no idea why. I mean, yeah, Kendall had mount, but he was doing a good job of making sure Kendall wasn't landing solid blows.

Eh, submission victory's still a W.

And as far as not being impressed with Kendall, Kendall took him down, worked up to mount, and punched him till he wanted to quit. That's what you do.
Brewtown Andy
10-10-2006, 10:35 PM
What's with the refs I've never seen before, btw?
Brewtown Andy
10-10-2006, 10:36 PM
I take it Rory had a hell of a fight based on what Kendall said?
Brewtown Andy
10-10-2006, 10:39 PM
You know what annoys me more than the bumpers? The fact that they appear to only have 5 sponsors, so I've seen all of the commercials 47 times now.

Watching Ken walk in and listening to them talk about how relaxed he is, if the fight magically goes 2 rounds, he's going to be gassed completely to shit.
Brewtown Andy
10-10-2006, 10:41 PM
I love how casually Goldberg says "his girlfriend, Jenna Jameson, in attendance tonight."

Is Herb Dean even *IN* the building?
Brewtown Andy
10-10-2006, 10:50 PM
Rap SUCKS 99% of the time for entrance music.Which is why Matt Hughes' music is so awesome. So, I see 13 minutes of show left. I don't see us getting a prelim fight. :mad:
Brewtown Andy
10-10-2006, 10:53 PM
I still want Liddell to kill him.Oh, and he will.
Brewtown Andy
10-10-2006, 10:54 PM
the buyrate for ortiz-liddell 2 should be pretty solid. regardless of the outcome those guys are going to make a killing between the fight pay, win bonus, and their pay per view shares.SOLID?

Dude. 850K buys, MINIMUM.
Dr. Blasphemy
10-11-2006, 04:41 AM
I am bummed (but not suprised) that Ken went out like a punk like that.
oh well, all your idols eventually fall....

And yes, I hope Lidell STOMPS Tito again....
half guard
10-11-2006, 06:02 AM
anyone else get the impression that brewtown andy is trying to use this thread to get his next 10,000 posts in? :D
DAVE
10-11-2006, 06:12 AM
Wow, I don;t follow UFC or any Wrestling anymore, but with all the fatalities, looking at the title of the thread, I really thought Ken Shamrock had died.
Los
10-11-2006, 12:14 PM
Oh, and he will.


Really? You think so?
I just see Tito as a different fighter now. He's more mature and patient. He's fucking strong as fuck and his cardio is amazing. Whether Chuck or Tito win, I think it's going to be a completely different fight.
Los
10-11-2006, 12:15 PM
Wow, I don;t follow UFC or any Wrestling anymore, but with all the fatalities, looking at the title of the thread, I really thought Ken Shamrock had died.



:lol:
Briomega
10-11-2006, 12:30 PM
Really? You think so?
I just see Tito as a different fighter now. He's more mature and patient. He's fucking strong as fuck and his cardio is amazing. Whether Chuck or Tito win, I think it's going to be a completely different fight.

It's not a certainty. Given his last few fights it's entirely possible that Chuck may be overconfident going into this. Figuring he'll just do the same as last time. He should win, though, as long as he takes it seriously.