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DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:06 AM
It's pretty standard Yankee Hating, but pretty funny.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6044930?FSO1&ATT=HCP&GT1=8705


Taking joy in the Yankees' misery
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Schadenfreude.

It's an awfully fancy word for a very mean little feeling: experiencing joy at others' misery.
But, man, I've been practically bubbling over with it these last few days. Ever since Robinson Cano grounded out to second to end the Yankees' season on Saturday, I've been unable to contain my glee. Watching the $200M unsinkable vessel get torpedoed by Kenny Rogers, Jeremy Bonderman and double-agent saboteur Alex Rodriguez was the most fun anyone could have short of their team winning it all.



We've all been beaten over the head with the phrase "good pitching beats good hitting," but what happened in the Yankees-Tigers series was something beyond that. The New York bats weren't just "good hitters." It was a lineup that included three MVPs (after Derek Jeter gets his prize for this year) and nine, count 'em, nine All-Stars.

ABC debuted a new series last week called The Nine in which the compelling mystery is what happened to nine bank hostages during their harrowing 52-hour captivity. Yankee fans are wondering what the hell happened to their nine during roughly the same length of time at the end of last week.

Beginning in the fourth inning of Game 2 on Thursday, the Yankees began a torturous 20-inning scoreless stretch in which they were humiliated by Tigers pitching. Detroit used a combination of very young arms (Justin Verlander, Joel Zumaya, Bonderman) and very old arms (Rogers, Todd Jones) to make the Bronx Bombers look very bad.

And Mets fans, Red Sox fans and mid- and small-market baseball fans everywhere united in their joy.

Five of my buddies were among the approximately 10,000 Mets fans at Dodger Stadium on Saturday when they saw the incredible news: the Yanks were gone. Eliminated. Done. While the Mets' sweep of the Dodgers was cause for celebration, it was the news of the Yankees' demise that popped the cork on possibility. No Mets fan I talked to thought their patchwork pitching staff had a chance against the Yankees. Sure, they might still lose to the Cardinals or the winner of Tigers-A's, but another Subway Series beatdown was a certainty in the minds of Mets fans.

For Red Sox fans, so disappointed by the 2006 season of unending calamity, the Yankees' loss was a soothing balm on an open sore. Yes, we'll still have to hear about the Boston Massacre II, but unlike the first one in 1978, the Yankees' failure to win the World Series will take the sting out of the reference. As the Tigers moved closer — inning by inning, game by game — to pulling off the upset, les miserables of Red Sox Nation wanted some company. And they got it. After Jamie Walker got Cano (season average .342, playoff average .133) to ground out, the Yankees, like the Red Sox, were just another one of 29 teams to not win the World Series in '06.

My three closest Tigers fan pals were, of course, delirious. Who'd have thought it would be the Tigers that would ease their pain after the playoff flameouts of the Pistons and Red Wings? Even Jon Kitna's untimely generosity against the Vikings yesterday couldn't dampen their spirits. Their team just went from badly limping underdog to co-favorite to win the World Series. Incredible.

As for that other co-favorite, A's fans were loving the Tigers' crazed celebration after defusing the Bombers. Joel Zumaya double-fisting champagne bottles in centerfield? Great. Kenny Rogers pouring bubbly over a cop's head atop the dugout? Super. Keep swigging. Presumably the Tigers won't be physiologically hungover after three days of drying up, but they may have a bit of an emotional hangover. The A's, meanwhile, quietly swept the team that dominated the American League the last four months and must be reveling in their anonymity as they prepare to take on the baseball world's new darling.

As for this Red Sox fan, I have spent the last few days poring over the New York papers, soaking in all the reasons the Yankees still haven't won a World Series in the 21st century (2000 was the last year of the 20th century).

You already know the numbers, but, boy, is it fun to repeat them:


A-Rod's postseason woes continued ... and Red Sox Nation rejoiced. (Paul Sancya / Associated Press)


A-Rod went 1-for-14 (.071) to drop his playoff average to .109 (5-for-46) since the Yankees led the Red Sox 3-0 in the 2004 ALCS. Rodriguez has now gone 12 playoff games without an RBI.

Gary Sheffield went 1-for-12 (.083), meaning he earned $13M for every postseason hit he got this year.

Cano, the next Rod Carew (with more power), saw his average drop over 200 points after finishing third in the AL in batting average.

Jason Giambi got one hit for his $18M and is scheduled for off-season wrist surgery.

Even Derek Jeter hit only .273 (3-for-11) in the three straight losses and looked very bad whiffing against Bonderman.

Johnny Damon ($13M) was hitless in Detroit while the Tigers took advantage of his weak arm, scooting from first to third at every opportunity.

Randy Johnson ($16M) and his herniated disc made it through only 5.2 innings and gave up five runs in the pivotal Game 3 loss. Not only was he not the best 40-something lefty in the playoffs (both Rogers and Tom Glavine were much, much better), he wasn't even the best 6-foot-10 pitcher in the playoffs, a distinction belonging to the Padres' Chris Young.
And on and on.

When my buddy Bill Simmons tipped me off this morning to how awesome the postmortems have been on WFAN's Mike and the Mad Dog, I tuned in to the YES network to watch the broadcast.

It's almost too good to be true. Yankees fans calling in to kill their team. "Joe Torre must go." "A-Rod must go." One Yankees fan was so blinded with rage and disappointment he even suggested trading Jeter. And all this with hosts Chris Russo and Mike Francesa piling on. I must be dreaming.

Russo and Francesa also pilloried Cory Lidle (three earned runs in 1.1 innings) for running away from his post-series quote that Francesa pointedly read back to the journeyman pitcher: "We got taken by surprise. We got matched up by a team that was a little more ready to play than we were." When it was explained to Lidle why that might sound to some like an indictment of the manager, he distanced himself from his words faster than a Joel Zumaya fastball, saying he'd been misquoted.

For all those baseball fans whose team spent less than a fifth of a billion dollars on payroll this season, the Yankees' latest playoff collapse has been great reading, great radio and great TV. When Mike and the Mad Dog went to break after a particularly enjoyable segment on YES, a giant tiger leapt across the screen. It turned out it was an ad for the 2007 GMC Yukon Denali with the tagline "the definition of great engineering."

The 2006 Yankees had all the expensive parts, but for the sixth year in a row, they just didn't fit together.

And how sweet is that?

Kevin Hench is a frequent contributor to FOXSports.com.

Juggernaut
10-10-2006, 10:09 AM
Who cares what some pasty douchebag from New england thinks. His team didn't even put up half a fight in the 5 game series.

ds9
10-10-2006, 10:10 AM
yay?

DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:13 AM
Who cares what some pasty douchebag from New england thinks. His team didn't even put up half a fight in the 5 game series.
Wow, so when're you gonna get around to changing your name to "Typical Yankees Fan"?

Juggernaut
10-10-2006, 10:22 AM
Wow, so when're you gonna get around to changing your name to "Typical Yankees Fan"?


The day the mets stop being wannabe's and actually stop trying to overdo the Yankees. Met's are an even bigger joke. It's the kid who tries to hard to fit in even though no one likes him. That's why the stadium is in "Flushing" appropriate name for an appropriate team.

Even a possible firing of joe torre managed to push the mets off the backpages.

LazyComix
10-10-2006, 10:26 AM
Yay! Another "journalist" who spends more time writing about a team he hates than he does about the team he actually likes. I hope he's working on his next article about how a $120 payroll = 3rd place.

DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:27 AM
Yay! Another "journalist" who spends more time writing about a team he hates than he does about the team he actually likes. I hope he's working on his next article about how a $120 payroll = 3rd place.
I mean, it's an editorial...

DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:28 AM
The day the mets stop being wannabe's and actually stop trying to overdo the Yankees. Met's are an even bigger joke. It's the kid who tries to hard to fit in even though no one likes him. That's why the stadium is in "Flushing" appropriate name for an appropriate team.

Even a possible firing of joe torre managed to push the mets off the backpages.
Wow, I wish I could argue any of that. If you came at me with any actual baseball knowledge that could possibly be a start.

jason hissong
10-10-2006, 10:30 AM
I think Jim Leyland got it write with his recent praise of the Yankees.

To paraphrase: 'I want to hate them, but I can't.'

I'll take thirty owners like Steinbrenner than thirty like the Glass family who own the Royals.

At least George has some passion.

Although, ideally, the best approach is somewhere in the middle of those extremes.


-jason

DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:31 AM
I think Jim Leyland got it write with his recent praise of the Yankees.

To paraphrase: 'I want to hate them, but I can't.'

I'll take thirty owners like Steinbrenner than thirty like the Glass family who own the Royals.

At least George has some passion.

Although, ideally, the best approach is somewhere in the middle of those extremes.


-jason

Right on.

jason hissong
10-10-2006, 10:33 AM
Right on.


I'm not a Yankees fan (Cardinals), but I find 'hate the yankees' unintelligent, asinine, and childish.


-j

WillieLee
10-10-2006, 10:33 AM
I think Jim Leyland got it write with his recent praise of the Yankees.

To paraphrase: 'I want to hate them, but I can't.'

I'll take thirty owners like Steinbrenner than thirty like the Glass family who own the Royals.

At least George has some passion.

Although, ideally, the best approach is somewhere in the middle of those extremes.


-jason

Passion? If he had a real passion for the game he would try to build a franchise instead of buying one.

LazyComix
10-10-2006, 10:37 AM
Passion? If he had a real passion for the game he would try to build a franchise instead of buying one.

Yeah, those teams in the 90's had no important homegrown guys on them.... all bought.

Now the '04 Sox? With homegrown guys like Pedro, Schilling, Manny, Damon, Ortiz, Foulke? Those are some key guys groomed in the Sox farm system... same with the Diamondbacks and Marlins.

DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:38 AM
I'm not a Yankees fan (Cardinals), but I find 'hate the yankees' unintelligent, asinine, and childish.


-j
I agree. I'm a Mets fan. I hate the Yankees, however I hate Mets fans who define their fandom by hating the Yankees rather than by loving the Mets.
I love the Mets.
The asinine hate the Yankees no matter what camp are just as stupid as the worst of Yankees fans. What I mean by that are the ones who wear Yankees clothes haed to toes, but don;t even know if the team had played the night before, musch less if they won or not. The ones that's only response to any criticism of the team is "26 rings! fuck you douchebag! yankees whooo!" They are the sports equivelant of "JOE Q is teh suck!McFalrane rulzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!" comics fanboys.
George Steinbrenner is good for baseball. The best thing to ever happen to the Red Sox is the Yankees.

Fake Pat
10-10-2006, 10:40 AM
I'm not a Yankees fan (Cardinals), but I find 'hate the yankees' unintelligent, asinine, and childish.


-j

i really don't understand how it's more childish or stupid to really hate a team than it is to really love one.

i follow/support some sports teams a little bit, but being a fan is no more rational than being a hater.

WillieLee
10-10-2006, 10:42 AM
Yeah, those teams in the 90's had no important homegrown guys on them.... all bought.

Thank you for illustrating my point.



Now the '04 Sox? With homegrown guys like Pedro, Schilling, Manny, Damon, Ortiz, Foulke? Those are some key guys groomed in the Sox farm system... same with the Diamondbacks and Marlins.

Which has what to do with my statements? Did I excuse the Red Sox or any other team?

jason hissong
10-10-2006, 10:46 AM
i really don't understand how it's more childish or stupid to really hate a team than it is to really love one.

i follow/support some sports teams a little bit, but being a fan is no more rational than being a hater.


Sure it is. I grew up in St. Louis. I have fond memories of going to the ballpark every summer with my Dad, my friends, my family. Talking baseball. Throwing catch in the back yard, my father and I in the silent solemnity of evening-cold grass just tossing.

Baseball builds community. It's a constant at this point from generation to generation. It unites people, as arbitrary as it may be, it unites people.

I love baseball because it helped me identify with the people I used to live around. It helped me connect to my father, and my grandparents.

I love the team I was closest to geographically.

All better reasons to love a team, than to hate one.

My best friends are Cubs fans. I don't hate them. I don't hate the Cubs.

I'm not sure I'm getting my point across, but I hope I am.

LazyComix
10-10-2006, 10:48 AM
Thank you for illustrating my point.


Yeah, Pettitte, Jeter, Posada, Bernie, Rivera.... none of them had any impact at all on those teams... the Yankees aren't the only team with free agents... hence listing the other teams with important Free Agents...so your point is dumb.

WillieLee
10-10-2006, 10:51 AM
Yeah, Pettitte, Jeter, Posada, Bernie, Rivera.... none of them had any impact at all on those teams... so your point is dumb.

No, you gave the reasons why my point is valid. It's not my problem if you can't understand.

DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:53 AM
Sure it is. I grew up in St. Louis. I have fond memories of going to the ballpark every summer with my Dad, my friends, my family. Talking baseball. Throwing catch in the back yard, my father and I in the silent solemnity of evening-cold grass just tossing.

Baseball builds community. It's a constant at this point from generation to generation. It unites people, as arbitrary as it may be, it unites people.

I love baseball because it helped me identify with the people I used to live around. It helped me connect to my father, and my grandparents.

I love the team I was closest to geographically.

All better reasons to love a team, than to hate one.

My best friends are Cubs fans. I don't hate them. I don't hate the Cubs.

I'm not sure I'm getting my point across, but I hope I am.

Stop being childish/stupid.

jason hissong
10-10-2006, 10:54 AM
Stop being childish/stupid.



you lost me.

DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:55 AM
No, you gave the reasons why my point is valid. It's not my problem if you can't understand.
I think his original point was that if Steinbrenner truley had passion for the game he'd have started a franchise, ala the expansion Rockies or Marlins, instead of purchasing an existing one, the Yankees. Not sure I agree with him, but that's what he was saying, right?

Fake Pat
10-10-2006, 10:55 AM
Sure it is. I grew up in St. Louis. I have fond memories of going to the ballpark every summer with my Dad, my friends, my family. Talking baseball. Throwing catch in the back yard, my father and I in the silent solemnity of evening-cold grass just tossing.

Baseball builds community. It's a constant at this point from generation to generation. It unites people, as arbitrary as it may be, it unites people.

I love baseball because it helped me identify with the people I used to live around. It helped me connect to my father, and my grandparents.

I love the team I was closest to geographically.

All better reasons to love a team, than to hate one.

My best friends are Cubs fans. I don't hate them. I don't hate the Cubs.

I'm not sure I'm getting my point across, but I hope I am.

those are all perfectly good reasons to love baseball in general. i wouldn't argue that for a second. but there's really nothing there about why liking something is any more valid than disliking something. you can love baseball (or sports in general) for all of the above reasons, and still hate specific teams.

and i don't see how liking a team for their geographical location is any less irrational than hating one for their geographical location.

DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:56 AM
you lost me.
It was a joke because Pat Sadly not Loika asked if it was just as childish/stupid to love a team as it is to hate one.

DAVE
10-10-2006, 10:59 AM
those are all perfectly good reasons to love baseball in general. i wouldn't argue that for a second. but there's really nothing there about why liking something is any more valid than disliking something. you can love baseball (or sports in general) for all of the above reasons, and still hate specific teams.

and i don't see how liking a team for their geographical location is any less irrational than hating one for their geographical location.

I don't hate teams for their geological location, I hate teams for beating my teams. If there's bigger context for the rivalry due to the location and it adds to the fun, so be it.

LazyComix
10-10-2006, 11:04 AM
No, you gave the reasons why my point is valid. It's not my problem if you can't understand.

Whatever

DAVE
10-10-2006, 11:07 AM
Is it just me, or are the Yankees fans abit....touchy today?

WillieLee
10-10-2006, 11:08 AM
I think his original point was that if Steinbrenner truley had passion for the game he'd have started a franchise, ala the expansion Rockies or Marlins, instead of purchasing an existing one, the Yankees. Not sure I agree with him, but that's what he was saying, right?

Steinbrenner tries to buy championships instead of developing talent. The backbone of the Yankee teams that won in the 90s came from the period when he was under suspension and the managers were allowed to build a farm team.

Doug
10-10-2006, 11:18 AM
Steinbrenner tries to buy championships instead of developing talent. The backbone of the Yankee teams that won in the 90s came from the period when he was under suspension and the managers were allowed to build a farm team.

The Yankees have moved away from trading away their top prospects this year and last.

They refused to give up their top pitching prospect during the trading deadline. They brought up both Robinson Cano (third best BA in the AL 2006) and Chin Ming Wang (tied for most amount of wins in Major Leagues 2006) last year, and this year they had Melky Cabrera in Left when Matsui broke his wrist.

So they are developing talent in their minor leagues now. They might not have done so in the past, but these past two years they are.

LazyComix
10-10-2006, 12:15 PM
Is it just me, or are the Yankees fans abit....touchy today?

today? I've been touchy for a few days now. :mad:

DAVE
10-10-2006, 12:39 PM
today? I've been touchy for a few days now. :mad:
Well that's understandable.

Juggernaut
10-10-2006, 12:59 PM
Wow, I wish I could argue any of that. If you came at me with any actual baseball knowledge that could possibly be a start.



Oh wow a snarky comment from a fan who think's his team is the best because of supposed grit and determination or could it be that the NL is a joke league and having the largest payroll in the league has allowed the mets to surpass others. Unless Wagner,Delgado,Beltran,Pedro all became homegrown talent...since they were aquisitions.

The met fans in particular in my eyes became scumbags when omar minaya started adding players of a latin backround and people were complaining. I knew the met fans were wannabe's,but racism was new one for me.

I can't approach a met fan with actualy baseball knowledge,they wouldn't know how to respond since it requires actual thought.

DaGetHighKnight
10-10-2006, 01:39 PM
today? I've been touchy for a few days now. :mad:

ha, you know when they lost i thought of you..I was like "dang, Randy is prolly beating random people on the street right about now.." =)

DaGetHighKnight
10-10-2006, 01:42 PM
Oh wow a snarky comment from a fan who think's his team is the best because of supposed grit and determination or could it be that the NL is a joke league and having the largest payroll in the league has allowed the mets to surpass others. Unless Wagner,Delgado,Beltran,Pedro all became homegrown talent...since they were aquisitions.

The met fans in particular in my eyes became scumbags when omar minaya started adding players of a latin backround and people were complaining. I knew the met fans were wannabe's,but racism was new one for me.

I can't approach a met fan with actualy baseball knowledge,they wouldn't know how to respond since it requires actual thought.

Damn your a bitter Yankee fan. My favorite kind. Mets may have been in a Joke division this season BUT you still cant deny that they were top of their game and deseve to be where they are right about now... If it turns out Mets Vs. Tigers for the WS how many Yankee fans will bite the bullet and root for the boys in Orange and Blue cross town??

Juggernaut
10-10-2006, 02:17 PM
Damn your a bitter Yankee fan. My favorite kind. Mets may have been in a Joke division this season BUT you still cant deny that they were top of their game and deseve to be where they are right about now... If it turns out Mets Vs. Tigers for the WS how many Yankee fans will bite the bullet and root for the boys in Orange and Blue cross town??


I am not bitter,I have seen 4 championships in my lifetime. Mets are at the top of their game but I don't want to hear this crap about grit and determination when you have a payroll that is higher than anyone else's in the NL. My team has the highest in baseball and yours has the highest in the entire division.

I detest the mets....I hope the tigers or A's ram it down their throat. For extra measure I hope either Frank Thomas or Magglio Ordonez goes spikes first into David Wright.

Natty P
10-10-2006, 02:28 PM
Damn your a bitter Yankee fan. My favorite kind. Mets may have been in a Joke division this season BUT you still cant deny that they were top of their game and deseve to be where they are right about now... If it turns out Mets Vs. Tigers for the WS how many Yankee fans will bite the bullet and root for the boys in Orange and Blue cross town?? I'm rooting for the Tigers because I want to have gone down to the champ.

King of Mars
10-10-2006, 02:34 PM
The Yankees have moved away from trading away their top prospects this year and last.

They refused to give up their top pitching prospect during the trading deadline. They brought up both Robinson Cano (third best BA in the AL 2006) and Chin Ming Wang (tied for most amount of wins in Major Leagues 2006) last year, and this year they had Melky Cabrera in Left when Matsui broke his wrist.

So they are developing talent in their minor leagues now. They might not have done so in the past, but these past two years they are.I think they'd give up Melky in a second if a deal for a marquee player came along.

DAVE
10-11-2006, 05:13 AM
Oh wow a snarky comment from a fan who think's his team is the best because of supposed grit and determination or could it be that the NL is a joke league and having the largest payroll in the league has allowed the mets to surpass others. Unless Wagner,Delgado,Beltran,Pedro all became homegrown talent...since they were aquisitions.

The met fans in particular in my eyes became scumbags when omar minaya started adding players of a latin backround and people were complaining. I knew the met fans were wannabe's,but racism was new one for me.

I can't approach a met fan with actualy baseball knowledge,they wouldn't know how to respond since it requires actual thought.

This from the author of this brilliance, "Who cares what some pasty douchebag from New england thinks. "? I asked you for some baseball knowledge, and you responded with a semi literate rant about how all Mets fans are rascists, and how you hope David Wright gets injured or some such nonsense.

I actually think that Mets surprisingly reliable rotation (especially considering all the injuries all season), versatile line up, and an especially strong bullpen coupled with a very strong road trip early in the season were the keys to the team's success this year. But if you want to chalk it up to "grit and determination" that's fine, too.

The Mets only won because they spent so much money? Well I guess that means the team came in first place last season because their payroll was actually higher then. But you probably didn't know that. Besides, I'd think that if the Detroit series last weekend would teach anything, it's that spending money isn't going to automatically bring success. Is the National League weak this year? Sure, and that's why a really good team in the NL East took their division by 12 games.

I think you're acting kind of silly and taking things a bit too personally. But, what do I know? I'm just a "scumbag" with no "actualy baseball knowledge" who can't "respond.since it requires actual thought."

DaGetHighKnight
10-11-2006, 10:13 AM
I'm rooting for the Tigers because I want to have gone down to the champ.

No soup for you!