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Jamie Howdeshell
08-30-2006, 03:28 PM
Frozen Sooner... you've got some 'splaining to do!!

;-)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/30/secret.senators/index.html


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The identity of the blogosphere's "secret senator" has been revealed.

CNN has confirmed that Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, has placed a hold on a bill that would require the government to publish online a database of federal spending.

"He does have a hold on the bill," Stevens' spokesperson Aaron Saunders told CNN. "At the time he placed the hold he notified Sen. [Tom] Coburn and his staff and identified several questions we had with the bill. Two weeks ago Sen. Coburn named Stevens as having a hold on the bill, so we don't consider it a secret."

Senate tradition allows any senator to keep a piece of legislation from reaching the Senate floor by placing a hold on the bill.

Coburn's office confirmed that Coburn had revealed Stevens' hold during a town hall meeting in Oklahoma two weeks ago.

The bill has become a cause célèbre for both liberal and conservative bloggers as they tried to uncover the "secret senator" who had blocked passage of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act (S. 2590). The bill was introduced earlier this year by Sens. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and Coburn, R-Oklahoma.

The conservative-leaning, anti-government waste site Porkbustersexternal link urged readers to call their senators and ask them to go on the record denying that they placed the hold. TPMmuckrakerexternal link, under the banner "blogosphere unites in pursuit of masked senator" also got in on the act, posting updates from readers around the country.

The effort prompted Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to weigh in online: Blogging at his political action committee Web siteexternal link, Sen. Frist, R-Tennessee, called on "all members, when asked by the blog community, to instruct their staff to answer whether or not they have a hold."

Saunders said Stevens did not attempt to keep his hold anonymous.

"Sen. Stevens has a series of concerns and questions about the bill. He wants a cost benefit analysis to make sure it doesn't create an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy and not meet its purpose," Saunders said.

"He prefers to handle things at the member to member level or at the staff level," Saunders said. "That's the way Sen. Stevens has always operated."

"This wasn't in any way secretive," Saunders said. "We're baffled as to why it's been called a secret hold."

But a spokesperson for Coburn's office disputed the idea that Stevens had been open about the hold.

"This hold was a secret," Coburn spokesman John Hart said. "His office has ignored media and bloggers' calls about this issue for weeks. We had to ask Stevens if he was the hold. His staff has still not met with us."

"Senator Stevens sits on the committee where this bill was considered and never raised any objections because he skipped the hearings," Hart said. "His specific concerns were addressed at the hearings he skipped, and his office has yet to meet with us to discuss his concerns despite repeated requests."

Last year a proposed $223 million for a "bridge to nowhere" connecting Alaska's Gravina Island -- population 50 -- to the mainland caused a nationwide furor. The allocation was backed by Stevens and fellow Republican Rep. Don Young of Alaska, the powerful chairman of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. The earmarked funding for the bridge was later rescinded by Congress. However, Alaska's overall allocation of federal transportation funds was not decreased, and the state is free to spend the federal dollars to build the bridge if it wishes.

When Coburn tried to block funds for the bridge, he was heavily denounced by Stevens on the Senate floor.

Ray G.
08-30-2006, 03:29 PM
Stevens really needs to retire already. Get some new Republican blood in there.

NATE!
08-30-2006, 03:39 PM
Online list of federal spending is a good idea.

Patrick J
08-30-2006, 03:43 PM
"Ten movies streaming across that, that internet, and what happens to your own personal internet? I just the other day got...an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday. Why?

They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a big truck.

It's a series of tubes!

And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material."

-Ted Stevens

Jamie Howdeshell
08-30-2006, 03:51 PM
Online list of federal spending is a good idea.

indeed it is.
hell, i'd call it a fucking brilliant idea! (thanks obama!)
both sides of the political spectrum pretty much agree it is a great idea.

but for senators, it's a bad idea.
pork is their bread and butter.

Taxman
08-30-2006, 03:54 PM
This was a secret hold. Stevens name was never supposed to be revealed. :x

Jamie Howdeshell
08-30-2006, 03:57 PM
This was a secret hold. Stevens name was never supposed to be revealed. :x


it's treason!!!

Taxman
08-30-2006, 03:59 PM
it's treason!!!Leakers are destroying out democracy. :x

Brad N.
08-30-2006, 04:11 PM
It's good to see the Bridge to nowhere and tube man Stevens is still a nutball.

methos1978
08-30-2006, 06:05 PM
indeed it is.
hell, i'd call it a fucking brilliant idea! (thanks obama!)
both sides of the political spectrum pretty much agree it is a great idea.

but for senators, it's a bad idea.
pork is their bread and butter.

Actually I think you might need to thank Coburn (R-OK) for it, as I think it was orginally his bill, and he has been exposing pork in the Senate since day one. I think he was the one that brought the "bridge to nowhere" to the forefront.

Jamie Howdeshell
08-30-2006, 06:11 PM
Actually I think you might need to thank Coburn (R-OK) for it, as I think it was orginally his bill, and he has been exposing pork in the Senate since day one. I think he was the one that brought the "bridge to nowhere" to the forefront.

you're partially right.

coburn and obama share the work and the glory.

methos1978
08-30-2006, 06:15 PM
you're partially right.

coburn and obama share the work and the glory.

Well, I only know of Coburn's work, but if Obama helps this get passed, then he has my thanks. Next them need to get all of the earmarks an up or down vote.

Here is a blog devoted to it.
http://www.porkbusters.org/

methos1978
08-30-2006, 06:29 PM
Here is a sample of the entry from porkbusters:


Hidden due to language
Ted Stevens: Porky Pig AND Jackass
August 30, 2006 08:09 AM

from the blogospherePosted at Dad29:


It's quite a combination, no?
Sen. Coburn of Oklahoma has co-sponsored a bill requiring that all "earmarks" be placed online for review by everybody in the country who is interested.
Ted Stevens (R-PigMaster) doesn't like this concept at all.
When someone placed a "hold" on Coburn's bill, they did it secretly. Most of us sorta-kinda KNEW it was PigMaster--but Coburn finally spilled the beans:

One of the senators most criticized for his personal projects, Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, has a hold of his own on Coburn’s bill to make public the spending patterns of the government. Called the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, the legislation calls for the creation of a database open to the public where citizens can track government spending.


“He’s the only senator blocking it,” Coburn said of Stevens


But did he really do it? Well, he had a motive: As the paper and others have noted, Stevens and Coburn have clashed before -- in particular over Stevens' now-legendary "bridge to nowhere." Coburn attempted (and failed) to block the $233 million boondoggle. And revenge certainly fits the senior Alaskan's m.o. "Stevens can play rough," the Seattle Times noted in June. "Despite denials from his staff, he retaliates - and doesn't mind waiting years to do so."


Frankly, this behavior by Stevens also cost the VA a few million dollars for brain-injury treatment problems earlier this year. Stevens didn't like the sponsor of the earmark.

Stevens should be a target of rotten apples and other stinking vegetables when/if he ever shows up in Wisconsin. He's exactly the model of politician who is MOST vile: petty, arrogant, vengeful, and gives not a damn for the good of the Country.
Screw him.
HT: Captain's Quarters

Jamie Howdeshell
08-30-2006, 06:41 PM
Here is a sample of the entry from porkbusters:

what language are you talking about?
:?

and i like how that site neglects to mention the name of coburn's co-sponsor obama.
gee, this site isn't the least bit biased, hm?

:mistrust:

Frozen Sooner
08-30-2006, 06:53 PM
OK...

Well, I won't go on to point out how the article mischaracterises the Gravina Island and Knik Arm Bridge projects as "Bridges to Nowhere" instead of "Bridge between 5,500 people and their airport" and "Bridge between fastest-growing area in the state and the most populous area in the state, neither of which can be characterised as nowhere."

I also won't point out that Stevens is hardly denying that he's the one who put the hold on the bill.

Or maybe I just did?

Anyhow, perhaps we should hear what Senator Stevens' questions about the bill are. Just because the title of a bill says its about something doesn't necessarily mean that it is. On the face of it, it's sounds like he's doing something dumb. On the other hand, he could have some legitimate questions.

I find the uproar about the tubes analogy to be rather idiotic. He was obviously talking about bandwidth and throughput. He made a pretty dumb statement about getting "sent and internet" which rightly deserves ridicule, but the series of tubes analogy was frankly pretty good.

Let's all remember that Tom Coburn is the oh-so-reasonable guy who got elected on the platform of putting abortionists to death and stamping out the rampant lesbianism in Southeast Oklahoma.

I've never voted for Ted Stevens, but the man doesn't deserve the public vilification he's gotten recently simply because people are reading factoid news.

methos1978
08-30-2006, 07:42 PM
what language are you talking about?
:?

and i like how that site neglects to mention the name of coburn's co-sponsor obama.
gee, this site isn't the least bit biased, hm?

:mistrust:

There is a few words of profanity. I know it is pretty common on this board, but I try not to use it.

Never noticed the lack of mention on Obama, I thought it was on there somewhere, but I think the intent of the post was to show the historical battle between Stevens and Coburn. And for bias, they seem to really go after Stevens and Lott, and both of them are Republicans.

Edit if you go to the site, and look at the post above the one I posted it reads:

Porkbusters Hunts 'Secret Hold' Senator
August 30, 2006 09:07 AM

from the blogospherePosted at Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs:


Senators Tom Coburn and Barak Obama have proposed legislation that would create a single website with access to information on nearly all recipients of federal funding. The bill cannot proceed because one or more Senators placed a "secret hold" on it. The list of Senators who have not explicitly denied being the holder is down to five. [Porkbusters]

Jamie Howdeshell
08-30-2006, 07:46 PM
There is a few words of profanity. I know it is pretty common on this board, but I try not to use it.

you think "screw" and "damn" are profanity?

i take it you don't read powers, huh?

;-)

methos1978
08-30-2006, 07:53 PM
you think "screw" and "damn" are profanity?

i take it you don't read powers, huh?

;-)

Actually I don't but I did read alias. I thought it was a little more than that, I must have been reading another blog at the time, and saw something different. Still, if someone can't express themselves better than four letter words, increasing their vocabuary would help them in the future. Dictionaries are full of fun words that would get the point across and it is fun to see people confused.

vhsiv
09-01-2006, 09:15 PM
I've never voted for Ted Stevens, but the man doesn't deserve the public vilification he's gotten recently simply because people are reading factoid news.Judge Sen. Stevens words (http://media.publicknowledge.org/stevens-on-nn.mp3) on your own then.
(Ted Stevens on Net Neutrality, June 29,2006 – MP3 (http://media.publicknowledge.org/stevens-on-nn.mp3))

Taxman
09-05-2006, 08:28 AM
OK...

Well, I won't go on to point out how the article mischaracterises the Gravina Island and Knik Arm Bridge projects as "Bridges to Nowhere" instead of "Bridge between 5,500 people and their airport" and "Bridge between fastest-growing area in the state and the most populous area in the state, neither of which can be characterised as nowhere."

I also won't point out that Stevens is hardly denying that he's the one who put the hold on the bill.

Or maybe I just did?

Anyhow, perhaps we should hear what Senator Stevens' questions about the bill are. Just because the title of a bill says its about something doesn't necessarily mean that it is. On the face of it, it's sounds like he's doing something dumb. On the other hand, he could have some legitimate questions.

I find the uproar about the tubes analogy to be rather idiotic. He was obviously talking about bandwidth and throughput. He made a pretty dumb statement about getting "sent and internet" which rightly deserves ridicule, but the series of tubes analogy was frankly pretty good.

Let's all remember that Tom Coburn is the oh-so-reasonable guy who got elected on the platform of putting abortionists to death and stamping out the rampant lesbianism in Southeast Oklahoma.

I've never voted for Ted Stevens, but the man doesn't deserve the public vilification he's gotten recently simply because people are reading factoid news.I just read about you Gubernatorial Primary. :shock: :lol: