Sleeper Cell: Modern Television at it's Finest

[Masculine Todd]

Just bought the first season on a limb and boy, am I glad. This will make even the most die-hard right winger think differently about Islamic faith.

Enlightening, well-written, wonderfully cast show. I love it.

Thoughts?

[Mark]

Wait, left-winger? Do what now?

[sonnylarue]

strong show, weak network

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Very good show indeed. It would have done better almost anywhere other than Showtime, which sucks. I recommend it to anyone who likes 24.

[Masculine Todd]

Wait, left-winger? Do what now?


Sorry. Brain stitch poped. Right!

[Ethan Van Sciver]

Sorry. Brain stitch poped. Right!

Todd, I'm a right winger, and this show pretty much confirmed what I believed about the Islamic faith. (i.e., it's a perfectly valid and peaceful religion,but some sects become radical and destructive, just like many other religions.) So I don't know what you mean.

[Masculine Todd]

Todd, I'm a right winger, and this show pretty much confirmed what I believed about the Islamic faith. (i.e., it's a perfectly valid and peaceful religion,but some sects become radical and destructive, just like many other religions.) So I don't know what you mean.

I just hear alot of right wingers, especially (this isn't a generalization as much as personal experience with the people I know) ex-military right wingers, say there is nothing irredeemable about those of the Islamic faith and I've also heard (not all right-wingers or even most, just the ones I know/hear) somehow imply that any of that faith that have died in war, civilian or not, somehow deserved it simply for their religious beliefs.

That and their is the stereotype that right-wing republicans are not the most tolerant of different faiths, religions, minorities, ect. and I think I totally just addressed that statement to a stereotype instead of actual people, which was an error on my part.

In the American populace, I think their is a grand generalization where they associate the Islamic faith with terrorists.

I suppose what I should have said was "will make even the most misinformed and bias of Americans change their view on the Islamic faith". Sorry Ethan.

I guess I've just heard alot of "kill 'em all, let God sort them out" statements lately.

[Ethan Van Sciver]

I just hear alot of right wingers, especially (this isn't a generalization as much as personal experience with the people I know) ex-military right wingers, say there is nothing irredeemable about those of the Islamic faith and I've also heard (not all right-wingers or even most, just the ones I know/hear) somehow imply that any of that faith that have died in war, civilian or not, somehow deserved it simply for their religious beliefs.

That and their is the stereotype that right-wing republicans are not the most tolerant of different faiths, religions, minorities, ect. and I think I totally just addressed that statement to a stereotype instead of actual people, which was an error on my part.

In the American populace, I think their is a grand generalization where they associate the Islamic faith with terrorists.

I suppose what I should have said was "will make even the most misinformed and bias of Americans change their view on the Islamic faith". Sorry Ethan.

I guess I've just heard alot of "kill 'em all, let God sort them out" statements lately.

I think I understand what you're saying. I believe a lot of righties do hate and fear muslims, and are either working hard to suppress a natural, primitive fear of them, or they are flat out denying it. Of course, I believe the Left does too, but hates the Right even more. I'm starting to think that almost everyone is racist, frankly. If you get someone to let down their guard, they'll surprise you in that way. But back to SLEEPER CELL.

I think the best thing about the show is that it humanized a terror cell, and showed how impossible it would be for the average citizen to recognize what could be going on right next door. And I really appreciated the hero character defending his faith against it's perversion.

All in all, a terrifying and compelling program, but I don't think it came out on either side politically.

[Masculine Todd]

I think the best thing about the show is that it humanized a terror cell, and showed how impossible it would be for the average citizen to recognize what could be going on right next door. And I really appreciated the hero character defending his faith against it's perversion.

All in all, a terrifying and compelling program, but I don't think it came out on either side politically.


Oh definitely. Its quite disturbing that "the enemy" isn't some deformed and easily recognizable monster. And the fact that we (the viewer) become emotionally invested in members of a terror sect is terrifying.

What disturbs me the most, however, is just how right and just Farik and his crew believe their cause to be. They truly see the world as black and white, with those who follow Islam to be good and everyone else evil. You want to hate them, but it is quite hard when they believe to have God's will in mind and that their is no other way to serve a greater good than to kill the infidels. I cannot fully hate this kind of person, and I empathize with them in a way, and that is a scary moral conundrum. They are not terrorists, but holy warriors.

That, and it was a genius move to have the main character share the Muslim faith, but not to the distorted extremes as the Holy Warriors. It humanizes the religion for those of us more ignorant Americans.

Brilliant show.

[Magnum V.I.]

I've only seen the first four episodes. But damn do I hate that French Fuck.


Need to finish watching it.

[Masculine Todd]

I've only seen the first four episodes. But damn do I hate that French Fuck.


Need to finish watching it.

Yeah, he's definitely an egotistical prick, but he develops some layers within the season, (spoilers) between his love for his unseen wife and her anger towards him, which is why he only nails chicks that look like her, to his insecurity about her and his conflict of faith around the fifth episode.

[Magnum V.I.]

Yeah, he's definitely an egotistical prick, but he develops some layers within the season, (spoilers) between his love for his unseen wife and her anger towards him, which is why he only nails chicks that look like her, to his insecurity about her and his conflict of faith around the fifth episode.

The Islam Speaker guy conflict of faith? I might have seen more than the first 4 come to think of it. But I still hate him..lol