View Full Version : New Creationsim Museum in KY - Would You Go?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/
Read the article, then vote.
If it was free, I'd absolutely go. And I would make fun of all the bullshit. I might even take a tour, so I could ask questions and hear their wrong answers.
Also... http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=79359
MIKE D
08-03-2006, 09:55 AM
I'd run through it in a dinosaur costume.
Master Jack Rabbitt
08-03-2006, 09:55 AM
Hehe. Could be fun.
The Roman Candle
08-03-2006, 09:58 AM
No, because I don't want anyone to see me walking out and think I'm an inbred redneck retard.
dEnny!
08-03-2006, 10:00 AM
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/
Read the article, then vote.
I don't even know where Petersburg, KY is (neither does my wife)! That's crazy.
Why not? I like museums.
Nick Hale
08-03-2006, 10:00 AM
This is yet another reason to never admit I'm from Kentucky, however after reading that I'm tempted to go, if only to mock it the entire time I'm there.
dEnny!
08-03-2006, 10:01 AM
No, because I don't want anyone to see me walking out and think I'm an inbred redneck retard.
I don't think that's required for us to think that of you. ;)
dEnny!
08-03-2006, 10:01 AM
*sniff sniff...I love the smell of liberal open mindedness in the afternoon. :p
*sniff sniff...I love the smell of liberal open mindedness in the afternoon. :pYeah, liberals should be more open-minded about misinformation and ignorance.
I don't even know where Petersburg, KY is (neither does my wife)! That's crazy.
Why not? I like museums.
The article I read said it was in "rural Kentucky." The best museums are always located in rural areas...
BrianS
08-03-2006, 10:03 AM
I'd just keep shouting "explain the Grand Canyon mother fuckers!"
xyzzy
08-03-2006, 10:04 AM
*sniff sniff...I love the smell of liberal open mindedness in the afternoon. :p
I'll never understand why some people think that being open minded means that you have to give bullshit the same weight as everything else. Being open minded means that you are open to new ideas and the possibility that you may be wrong. Not that you have to accept every single idea as equally valuable and can't call a piece of crap a piece of crap.
BrianS
08-03-2006, 10:04 AM
Yeah, liberals should be more open-minded about misinformation and ignorance.
And Santa Claus...
I'd just keep shouting "explain the Grand Canyon mother fuckers!"God has magical powers. You don't think he could crap out the Grand Canyon in between creating Stegosaurs and Sabre-toothed cats?
I'll never understand why some people think that being open minded means that you have to give bullshit the same weight as everything else. Being open minded means that you are open to new ideas and the possibility that you may be wrong. Not that you have to accept every single idea as equally valuable and can't call a piece of crap a piece of crap.You're so closed-minded to the idea that you have to give bullshit the same weight as everything else.
And Santa Claus...Oh, I like Santa Claus. He sends me a check and a card where he's forged my dad's signature.
The Roman Candle
08-03-2006, 10:06 AM
I don't think that's required for us to think that of you. ;)
That's silly. Everyone knows I'm a northerner, therefore I can't be a redneck.
*sniff sniff...I love the smell of liberal open mindedness in the afternoon. :p
Yeah, that's dumb. There's no statute in the Liberal open-mindedness charter that calls for us to play nice with rampant liars who feed and encourage ignorance in people who are either too stupid or too young to know any better.
Jef UK
08-03-2006, 10:08 AM
God has magical powers. You don't think he could crap out the Grand Canyon in between creating Stegosaurs and Sabre-toothed cats?
No, no, no. God left Earth in the kiln to long, stupid, and it cracked.
God has foibles!
No, no, no. God left Earth in the kiln to long, stupid, and it cracked.
God has foibles!
I hope you like warm weather...
Can you feel the love toniiiiiiiight.
Wow, you guys talk like the place was just made the destination for an official Bendis Board field trip.
The Roman Candle
08-03-2006, 10:11 AM
Can you feel the love toniiiiiiiight.
Wow, you guys talk like the place was just made the destination for an official Bendis Board field trip.
You asked.
Eric Williams
08-03-2006, 10:12 AM
While I'm not at all for creationism stuff, it'd be neat to go anyways. Know thine enemy.
xyzzy
08-03-2006, 10:12 AM
I think it would just be too upsetting to be around that much concentrated ignorance.
You asked.Yes, I did. But the vitriol with which the answer has been put forth was suprising.
I expected a tad more objectivity in everyone's negativity.
Brad N.
08-03-2006, 10:13 AM
Ben and I had a little fun when he posted on this the other day...LOL, museum for dumb people. I still giggle about that one. I would seriously go there when it's done to make the tour guide cry when I start asking them serious questions. Seriously, other than 6 year olds I can't see why anyone would honestly go there for actual knowledge.
MisterFanboy
08-03-2006, 10:13 AM
Absolutely I would go. Why? I work in Museums and I love visiting others to see what's going on, what's good/not so good, etc. My sister and her kids live a few miles away in Cincinnati so once it opens I will be sure to visit it with her kids in tow. To be sure, I am not a creationist, so I have every intent of touring around the exhibits pointing out what is right, what is wrong, and what is conjecture. Ironically, I had a conversation with religious coworker today about this very subject. Even he think's it's laughable. About a year ago I had an exchange with some tourists where I pointed out a sculpture of a dinosaur and made an offhand comment about dinosaurs being millions of years old. The little kid told me that they didn't beleive that and that dinosaurs were "angels cast down from heavan to Earth." I was so dumbstruck I had no response.
Brad N.
08-03-2006, 10:14 AM
Yes, I did. But the vitriol with which the answer has been put forth was suprising.
I expected a tad more objectivity in everyone's negativity.
How is making fun of something so incredibly silly not being objective? Are they going to have a section in there about Unicorns and Leprechauns?
The little kid told me that they didn't beleive that and that dinosaurs were "angels cast down from heavan to Earth." I was so dumbstruck I had no response.Huh. That's a new one to me.
Brad N.
08-03-2006, 10:15 AM
Absolutely I would go. Why? I work in Museums and I love visiting others to see what's going on, what's good/not so good, etc. My sister and her kids live a few miles away in Cincinnati so once it opens I will be sure to visit it with her kids in tow. To be sure, I am not a creationist, so I have every intent of touring around the exhibits pointing out what is right, what is wrong, and what is conjecture. Ironically, I had a conversation with religious coworker today about this very subject. Even he think's it's laughable. About a year ago I had an exchange with some tourists where I pointed out a sculpture of a dinosaur and made an offhand comment about dinosaurs being millions of years old. The little kid told me that they didn't beleive that and that dinosaurs were "angels cast down from heavan to Earth." I was so dumbstruck I had no response.
Same people who believe that thunder is just the Angels bowling.
How is making fun of something so incredibly silly not being objective? Are they going to have a section in there about Unicorns and Leprechauns?Because it comes from a desire to hurt and mock people, rather than educate and enlighten them.
Brad N.
08-03-2006, 10:18 AM
Huh. That's a new one to me.
Having been a former Evangelical myself Brother I could tell you some good ones. I've heard them all. From Dinosaur bones being put here by God to test our faith to them being fake all together. I've heard that Dinosaurs lived alongside man (apparantly what will be taught at this "museum") but died during the "flood". I've also heard they rode on the Ark with Noah too. Just silly tales for weak minded individuals who refuse to accept the fact that our planet is indeed more than 6,000 years old.
MIKE D
08-03-2006, 10:21 AM
Because it comes from a desire to hurt and mock people, rather than educate and enlighten them.
The schools systems TRY to educate and elighten people. Then adults with the same mentality as these "museum" operators go ahead and change the curriculum to promote their agenda over scientific fact. As long as the need for this willful ignorance is entrenched into their religious identity (and the sad part is, it doesn't need to be that way), there is very little education can do at that point.
Brad N.
08-03-2006, 10:24 AM
Because it comes from a desire to hurt and mock people, rather than educate and enlighten them.
Brother, you're a smart fella. We've gone back and forth on occasion and I really don't mean to hurt or mock you in any way. I actually respect you and enjoy most of our discussions. Having been involved heavily in the Assembly of God church for many years as a teen (I even went to Bible College briefly where I was going to be a youth pastor) I know both sides of many of these arguments. I can respect your opinion on religious matters (I may not agree, but I can respect that) but this is not one of those cases. A museum devoted to misguiding and flat out lying to people in my mind is foolish. Even if you believe in a form of creationism to take things so literal and say the Earth is just 6,000 years old and al the rest is beyond belief.
xyzzy
08-03-2006, 10:25 AM
Because it comes from a desire to hurt and mock people, rather than educate and enlighten them.
My experience is that most of these people aren't particularly interested in being educated and enlightened. Quite the opposite, in fact. Their ignorance isn't accidental. It's deliberate.
Gavin
08-03-2006, 10:27 AM
Meh. Don't think I'll ever be out in KY.
HCMarvel
08-03-2006, 10:29 AM
rereading this actually makes me wanna punch my computer screen. People are so fucking dumb. just...wow.
WOW
sorry to those this offends but crazy christians are fucking nuts
The Roman Candle
08-03-2006, 10:31 AM
Yes, I did. But the vitriol with which the answer has been put forth was suprising.
I expected a tad more objectivity in everyone's negativity.
Well, that was silly of you.
Nick Hale
08-03-2006, 10:33 AM
Meh. Don't think I'll ever be out in KY.
Its pretty here, other than that you arn't missing anything.
This place pisses me off, mainly for the fact that it continues to project the stereotype of Kentucky. Why must people be so sheepy to follow along with an idea like this? I agree with xyzzy though, its deffinatly deliberate.
Alex(sadly)Maleev
08-03-2006, 10:35 AM
If it was free, I'd absolutely go. And I would make fun of all the bullshit. I might even take a tour, so I could ask questions and hear their wrong answers.
Also... http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=79359
You my friend are an asshole. Mocking other people's religious beliefs could only get you called exactly that by some.
Me? I'd come with you.
HCMarvel
08-03-2006, 10:36 AM
You my friend are an asshole. Mocking other people's religious beliefs could only get you called exactly that.
If I were W of course.
Me? I'd come with you.
we should plan a bendisboard trip. i'll bring snacks
Happy Time Harry
08-03-2006, 10:38 AM
John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research in San Diego, an organization that promotes creationism, said the museum will affirm the doubts many people have about science, namely the notion that man evolved from lower forms of life. “Americans just aren’t gullible enough to believe that they came from a fish,” he said.
But they are however gullible enough to belive that dinosaurs were wiped out by a flood since there was no room for them on the Ark. :roll:
Brad N.
08-03-2006, 10:43 AM
Wow. 35% of people in the poll (350,000 votes) believe that EVERY WORD IN THE BIBLE IS LITERALLY TRUE. Fucking sad country we live in.
Edit: I guess we now know where King George gets his approval number from.
Brother, you're a smart fella. We've gone back and forth on occasion and I really don't mean to hurt or mock you in any way. I actually respect you and enjoy most of our discussions. Having been involved heavily in the Assembly of God church for many years as a teen (I even went to Bible College briefly where I was going to be a youth pastor) I know both sides of many of these arguments. I can respect your opinion on religious matters (I may not agree, but I can respect that) but this is not one of those cases. A museum devoted to misguiding and flat out lying to people in my mind is foolish. Even if you believe in a form of creationism to take things so literal and say the Earth is just 6,000 years old and al the rest is beyond belief.I just view this in the same way someone is really into the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame or the Wrestling Hall of Fame or the Football Hall of Fame . . . You get the idea.
Some people have a lot invested in those interests - granted, some to an unhealthy degree - but I'm not going to begrudge anyone for going, because they enjoy it or it allows them to immerse themselves in something that makes them better people*.
As long as no one is required or forced to go, who cares?
*better in regards to ethics and morals and NOT intelligence or eductation. Just thought I'd head you off at the pass. ;-)
Well, that was silly of you.Par for the course, amigo.
I think it may have something to do with my latent self-loathing and masochistic tendencies.
Ryan F
08-03-2006, 10:51 AM
I disagree with the word "psuedo-scientific" in the poll. Could we make it "anti-scientific"?
xyzzy
08-03-2006, 10:52 AM
I just view this in the same way someone is really into the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame or the Wrestling Hall of Fame or the Football Hall of Fame . . . You get the idea.
To the best of my knowledge, those places do not actively encourage ignorance.
It would be different if it was just a museum about the Bible, or even one that recreated scenes from the Bible. I wouldn't go, but I woudln't have much to say about it, either.
But from what I read, this place presents itself as "scientific" and actively denounces real science. That's why I have more disdain for this place than those hall of fame dealies.
RickLM
08-03-2006, 11:11 AM
The origin of life can only be speculation. There are no eyewitnesses to the event.
Both sides of this debate show a degree of arrogance, as though they know exactly what happened, and that they have the entire process mapped out. Meanwhile, I just read last week that geologists are once again re-calculating the age of the Earth. So obviously we don't know everything.
HCMarvel
08-03-2006, 11:14 AM
The origin of life can only be speculation. There are no eyewitnesses to the event.
Both sides of this debate show a degree of arrogance, as though they know exactly what happened, and that they have the entire process mapped out. Meanwhile, I just read last week that geologists are once again re-calculating the age of the Earth. So obviously we don't know everything.
we know that the earth is older than 6000 years...
Ryan F
08-03-2006, 11:19 AM
The origin of life can only be speculation. There are no eyewitnesses to the event.
Both sides of this debate show a degree of arrogance, as though they know exactly what happened, and that they have the entire process mapped out. Meanwhile, I just read last week that geologists are once again re-calculating the age of the Earth. So obviously we don't know everything.
Are they revising it down to a few thousand years?
I think any geologist or evolutionary biologist would admit that they don't know everything ("we don't know" is actually one of the most common things I've heard scientists say), but they do have a great deal of empirical evidence to support their claims.
I have no problem with faith. Just keep it out of the classroom and the science textbooks.
Ray G.
08-03-2006, 11:20 AM
I might be curious, but overall this gets a meh. Let them believe whatever they want.
HCMarvel
08-03-2006, 11:20 AM
Are they revising it down to a few thousand years?
I think any geologist or evolutionary biologist would admit that they don't know everything ("we don't know" is actually one of the most common things I've heard scientists say), but they do have a great deal of empirical evidence to support their claims.
I have no problem with faith. Just keep it out of the classroom and the science textbooks. And the court room.
fixed that up a bit for ya
Ryan F
08-03-2006, 11:28 AM
fixed that up a bit for ya
A welcome fix for once. :)
NATE!
08-03-2006, 12:34 PM
Internet comic book nerds planning a field trip to Kentucky to start shit with Christians and/or rednecks. Now THERE'S an extended mass hospital stay waiting to happen.
Museums are the perfect place for outdated relics.
Brad N.
08-03-2006, 12:42 PM
Internet comic book nerds planning a field trip to Kentucky to start shit with Christians and/or rednecks. Now THERE'S an extended mass hospital stay waiting to happen.
Speak for yourself Nate. I may be an internet comic book nerd, but I can certainly hold my own. However, my thought of fucking with the simple minded folk was more fantasy anyway as I'm sure they'll send someone from The Daily Show down to do much of the same and I can live vicariously.
SeanC
08-03-2006, 12:44 PM
Internet comic book nerds planning a field trip to Kentucky to start shit with Christians and/or rednecks. Now THERE'S an extended mass hospital stay waiting to happen.
"You f**kers think just because a guy reads comics he can't start some shit!"
What are the odds of finding them in any building labeled museum, anyway?
Brad N.
08-03-2006, 12:48 PM
What are the odds of finding them in any building labeled museum, anyway?
Exactly. Even false learnin is like kryptonite to rednecks. You won't find too many Bubbas in there. My guess is it will be filled with a lot of upper middle class Evangelical families and LOTS of self loathers.
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 12:49 PM
*sniff sniff...I love the smell of liberal open mindedness in the afternoon. :p
Denny. This is NOT about open mindedness.
To say that GOD MADE THE WORLD in exactly seven days, that we have NOT evolved, that the earth is 2-5 thousand years old... is DEAD fucking wrong, and there is no opinion to it, that is a scientific FACT and the evidence is so huge that it makes my head ache to believe there are people out there who do NOT believe in it.
SeanC
08-03-2006, 12:50 PM
Denny. This is NOT about open mindedness.
To say that GOD MADE THE WORLD in exactly seven days, that we have NOT evolved, that the earth is 2-5 thousand years old... is DEAD fucking wrong, and there is no opinion to it, that is a scientific FACT and the evidence is so huge that it makes my head ache to believe there are people out there who do NOT believe in it.
You're going after Santa next, aren't you? He is never going to know what hit him (the fat bastard).
You're going after Santa next, aren't you? He is never going to know what hit him (the fat bastard).
I say he's really just Buddha. Fucking with us.
MisterFanboy
08-03-2006, 12:53 PM
The origin of life can only be speculation. There are no eyewitnesses to the event.
Both sides of this debate show a degree of arrogance, as though they know exactly what happened, and that they have the entire process mapped out. Meanwhile, I just read last week that geologists are once again re-calculating the age of the Earth. So obviously we don't know everything.
That's a good point. Everyone on both sides speaks with absolutism. Although, I will say the evidence is overwhelmingly in the evolution camp. People forget that history and science are constantly changing as new evidence or interpretations rise to prominence; as such, neither are fixed in stone.
neither are fixed in stone.I know there is a joke about archaeology in there somewhere, but I can't find it. :sad:
SeanC
08-03-2006, 12:56 PM
I know there is a joke about archaeology in there somewhere, but I can't find it. :sad:
You have to dig for it, man.
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 01:02 PM
Santa's too easy.
I've got the toothfairy in my sights though.
Bitch is going down.
SeanC
08-03-2006, 01:03 PM
Santa's too easy.
I've got the toothfairy in my sights though.
Bitch is going down.
Ooooh. Bitch gunna get her teeth knocked out :mistrust:
RickLM
08-03-2006, 01:08 PM
we know that the earth is older than 6000 years...
You look at the evidence and conclude that.
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 01:08 PM
Ooooh. Bitch gunna get her teeth knocked out :mistrust:
I'm stealing her teeth and her money.
The origin of life can only be speculation. There are no eyewitnesses to the event.
Both sides of this debate show a degree of arrogance, as though they know exactly what happened, and that they have the entire process mapped out. Meanwhile, I just read last week that geologists are once again re-calculating the age of the Earth. So obviously we don't know everything.
Ever hear the term "indirect evidence?" You don't need to be an "eyewitness" to make a reasonable inference about what happened (based on EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE).
You my friend are an asshole. Mocking other people's religious beliefs could only get you called exactly that by some.
Me? I'd come with you.You just made my butt wet.
You look at the evidence and conclude that.As opposed to what? Make an irrational deduction? The same method of hypothesis, evidence collection/testing hypothesis, conclusion based on result of test has led to all the modern medical techniques and technology we enjoy today. If you don't 'buy' it, then I'd stay away from medicine, TVs, and automobiles because they're bound to blow up anytime now.
WinterRose
08-03-2006, 01:24 PM
Could I get them to sign a statement I brought in with me that every other religious faith has the right to have a museum of their creation myths be erected in the United States without christians moving to block them, or picket them afterward.
Could I wear a pagan shirt in there with a right side up non-demonized version of the pentagram on it and not be asked to leave?
If either one of these answers is no, then the place has no business existing.
Alex(sadly)Maleev
08-03-2006, 01:36 PM
You just made my butt wet.
Nice and slow now. Nice and slow.
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 01:38 PM
Ever hear the term "indirect evidence?" You don't need to be an "eyewitness" to make a reasonable inference about what happened (based on EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE).
You and your logic.
You and your logic.
I should open a museum about all the :crazy:cRaZy:crazy: beliefs that logic's resulted in!
Nice and slow now. Nice and slow.I'm too impatient.
And now I have no rectum.
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 01:44 PM
I should open a museum about all the :crazy:cRaZy:crazy: beliefs that logic's resulted in!
That would be way too much.
That would be way too much.But I believe it is not too much. Therefore, it is not too much. See how that works? :blah:
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 01:49 PM
But I believe it is not too much. Therefore, it is not too much. See how that works? :blah:
I....
something exploded in my brain. Thanks.
I....
something exploded in my brain. Thanks.That's not the only thing I can make explode.
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 01:52 PM
That's not the only thing I can make explode.
You stay the hell away from my gall bladder, do you hear me?! :mad:
You stay the hell away from my gall bladder, do you hear me?! :mad:C'mon, you need to get those stones removed or it's only going to get worse!
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 01:56 PM
C'mon, you need to get those stones removed or it's only going to get worse!
Then let it get worse, I don't trust you.
speaking of stones, have you ever heard of stone babies?
...this thread has been derailed.
Then let it get worse, I don't trust you.
speaking of stones, have you ever heard of stone babies?
...this thread has been derailed.That's the method of executing babies that suckle from the teats of women that are not their mothers.
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 02:00 PM
That's the method of executing babies that suckle from the teats of women that are not their mothers.
No, i mean the ones that calcify in wombs.
No, i mean the ones that calcify in wombs.You need me to explode some for you?
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 03:00 PM
You need me to explode some for you?
That would be pretty much the best thing to happen today if you did, Ben.
How are your bees?
That would be pretty much the best thing to happen today if you did, Ben.
How are your bees?
I've got two cages that should be fucking up a storm for the next couple days. I'll probably paint-mark two more sets to release in two more cages this weekend.
The ones that emerged that couldn't be used I released. They're so cute when you open up the petri dish and let them go. They're all like "Oh, please, let me fly away so I can fuck and build a nest and die of exhaustion!"
So anyway, I'll try and explode those wombs for you this afternoon.
BrianS
08-03-2006, 03:08 PM
The origin of life can only be speculation. There are no eyewitnesses to the event.
Both sides of this debate show a degree of arrogance, as though they know exactly what happened, and that they have the entire process mapped out. Meanwhile, I just read last week that geologists are once again re-calculating the age of the Earth. So obviously we don't know everything.
Right...recalculating in the what? Millions? Billions?
The Earth isn't 6,000 years old, and you'd be very, very (insert insult here) to believe that.
gwyllgi
08-03-2006, 03:16 PM
I've got two cages that should be fucking up a storm for the next couple days. I'll probably paint-mark two more sets to release in two more cages this weekend.
The ones that emerged that couldn't be used I released. They're so cute when you open up the petri dish and let them go. They're all like "Oh, please, let me fly away so I can fuck and build a nest and die of exhaustion!"
So anyway, I'll try and explode those wombs for you this afternoon.
Take pictures of womb explosions.
I'm sort of scared of bees. I got chased by them a lot. But I do like the big bumblebees.
Jamie Howdeshell
08-03-2006, 03:46 PM
*sniff sniff...I love the smell of liberal open mindedness in the afternoon. :p
that's fine, cause i think the smell of fundamental stupidity that is wafting over from Petersburg, Kentucky is also DEEliteful!!1!! :p
ThisSpaceForRent
08-03-2006, 03:49 PM
*sniff sniff...I love the smell of liberal open mindedness in the afternoon. :p
Smells better than backward, bible thumping jackasses spreading the word that the earth is a few thousand years old. Open mindedness doesn't really extend to entertaining grown adults beliefs in things like the Easter Bunny and Jesus' magic powers.
that's fine, cause i think the smell of fundamental stupidity that is wafting over from Petersburg, Kentucky is also DEEliteful!!1!! :pOMG I was this close to getting to first base with gwyllgi until you went and RUINED IT!!!
JBElliott
08-03-2006, 03:50 PM
No, I wouldn't go. I don't think its designer is intelligent. :D
Jamie Howdeshell
08-03-2006, 03:53 PM
OMG I was this close to getting to first base with gwyllgi until you went and RUINED IT!!!
wait... i forget.
is first base "stone babies" or "bumblebees?"
:Oops:
Brad N.
08-03-2006, 05:07 PM
No, I wouldn't go. I don't think its designer is intelligent. :D
jolly good show old bean!
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