For She-Hulk's take on the Superhuman Registration Act...

[Merrik]

*spoilers in thread for She-Hulk and Civil War*


Open ended question. I'm wondering what other fans of the character think.

With her brief apperance on the last page of Amazing Spider-Man #533 we now know that She-Hulk will be part of the team that's sent to hunt down non-registered heroes.

Is this really in line with the character though? I'm not so sure. She-Hulk going after Captain America for wanting to protect his and others' values, rights and identities (if Cap still had a secret one?)

The hunting down Captain America (and the rest of the anti-registration heroes) is enough to give me question, but then throw into the mix that she's a lawyer, and I'm left scratching my head. I mean, to take a small example, if she's on a case, and the cops barge into someone's house without a warrant, and find anything there, it's not allowed to be used in court. Blow that up to a bigger scale, the government is forcing people to give up their rights (yes I know an arguement can be made that it's not a right, but in a sense, it still applies here), and they're willing to do it by apparently any means necessary. A violation of human rights? Which She-Hulk would be opposed to as a lawyer, and as a friend?

If she's trying a case and someone is testifying against the mob let's say, she'd do everything in her power to make sure that person gets into the witness protection program for their safety and their families safety, yes? Forcing people to reveal their identities, putting families at risk? Something she would be opposed to, yes?

I know she seems to be one of the few characters questioning how registration will turn out (as her brief speech in Civil War #2 to Iron Man seemed to point out), but I believe, that after reading and loving this character for 20+ years, her position on the issue doesn't make sense (even if her I.D. is publicly known).

So I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed that Millar has made the character take this stance (although I'm grateful for any She-Hulk apperance really). I know it's silly, but I also feel a little disappointed in the character (yes, it's stupid! :) , but I can't help feeling that way). I'm wondering if Dan will address this in any future issues more than her already did showing her conflicted feelings in She-Hulk #8. (And I'm also wondering if it's a writer vs. writer sort of thing. Whereas Miller has the character on pro-registration, Slott would have her on anti-registration, but since Civil War is obviously the main storyline, one writer has to go with where the other writer is headed?)

And too bad Planet Hulk runs through the entire Civil War storyline. Hulk coming back and being pissed at those who sent him away? The leader of the Pro-Registration camp included? If the character found out that, I don't have any doubt that she'd question anything Iron Man has ever done, including this.


Sorry for the long rant, needed to get it off my chest, and here seemed like a good place. It's been bugging me. If no one responds, cool, but I needed to bitch for a minute. Thanks for indulging me.

[Dingo]

Open ended question. I'm wondering what other fans of the character think.

With her brief apperance on the last page of Amazing Spider-Man #533 we now know that She-Hulk will be part of the team that's sent to hunt down non-registered heroes.

Is this really in line with the character though? I'm not so sure. She-Hulk going after Captain America for wanting to protect his and others' values, rights and identities (if Cap still had a secret one?)



I look at it like this:- as a lawyer She-Hulk has always had the highest regard for the law. That is all this is, a case of some people breaking the law. Of course she is going to be on the side of the law, but she is not such a two dimensional character as to make that the end of the matter. She will obey the law but that does not mean she will necessarily be entirely happy and comfortable with it.


The hunting down Captain America (and the rest of the anti-registration heroes) is enough to give me question, but then throw into the mix that she's a lawyer, and I'm left scratching my head. I mean, to take a small example, if she's on a case, and the cops barge into someone's house without a warrant, and find anything there, it's not allowed to be used in court. Blow that up to a bigger scale, the government is forcing people to give up their rights (yes I know an arguement can be made that it's not a right, but in a sense, it still applies here), and they're willing to do it by apparently any means necessary. A violation of human rights? Which She-Hulk would be opposed to as a lawyer, and as a friend?


What violation of human rights?
They are breaking a law, and that means that they forfeit some of their rights, specifically they get incarcerated. It is how the world works. Rights are useless if they don't come with responsibilities.


If she's trying a case and someone is testifying against the mob let's say, she'd do everything in her power to make sure that person gets into the witness protection program for their safety and their families safety, yes? Forcing people to reveal their identities, putting families at risk? Something she would be opposed to, yes?


The heroes are not being asked to make their identities known to the public, just to the U.S. government. There is no more danger of their identities becoming public than there is of the same thing happening to a person in a witness protection program.


I know she seems to be one of the few characters questioning how registration will turn out (as her brief speech in Civil War #2 to Iron Man seemed to point out), but I believe, that after reading and loving this character for 20+ years, her position on the issue doesn't make sense (even if her I.D. is publicly known).

So I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed that Millar has made the character take this stance (although I'm grateful for any She-Hulk apperance really). I know it's silly, but I also feel a little disappointed in the character (yes, it's stupid! :) , but I can't help feeling that way). I'm wondering if Dan will address this in any future issues more than her already did showing her conflicted feelings in She-Hulk #8. (And I'm also wondering if it's a writer vs. writer sort of thing. Whereas Miller has the character on pro-registration, Slott would have her on anti-registration, but since Civil War is obviously the main storyline, one writer has to go with where the other writer is headed?)

I doubt that pretty much.
She Hulk is a fairly small toy in the Mavel toy chest.
I bet Millar would just leave her be rather than break Dan's toy.
At the absolute least I would bet Dan had final say.
Care to weigh in on that one Dan?

And too bad Planet Hulk runs through the entire Civil War storyline. Hulk coming back and being pissed at those who sent him away? The leader of the Pro-Registration camp included? If the character found out that, I don't have any doubt that she'd question anything Iron Man has ever done, including this.

Sorry for the long rant, needed to get it off my chest, and here seemed like a good place. It's been bugging me. If no one responds, cool, but I needed to bitch for a minute. Thanks for indulging me.
I am sure it what we are here for ;)

[Dan Slott]

Two things to think about:

1. The Superhuman Registration Act has passed. It’s the law. So… People who are violating it are breaking the law. Plain and simple. And She-Hulk is an officer of the court.

2. Registering does NOT mean revealing your secret identity to the world. It means revealing your secret identity to the state/government. And the state does NOT require you to “Pull a Parker” and take your mask off at a televised news conference. For example, the government doesn’t (or rather shouldn’t) reveal the identities of CIA operatives.

To get more of “She-Hulk’s” views on this matter, be sure to check out She-Hulk’s Op Ed piece in the special CIVIL WAR edition of the DAILY BUGLE. It’ll be on sale this July and—if for no other reason—gamma-fans should snag a copy to sneak a peek at all the lovely all-new Mike Mayhew painted artwork inside!

ttyl
Dan

BTW, the effects of PLANET HULK and the ILLUMINATI SPECIAL will be felt in the SHE-HULK book sooner than you think...

Seeds are planted in #9 (out soon-- I promise!)...
...and will be KEY and IMPORTANT elements in
SHE-HULK: PLANET W/O A HULK
starting in SHE-HULK #14!

(Eep! Just noticed that Dingo posted in the time it took me to type up all of this malarky! And-- he pretty much covered all of my points to a "T"! See, here I thought that posting at 3-or-so in the morning ment I was here all by my lonesome... But darn it, I forgot about the time-change to Australia! Shucks...)

[Shannon Chenoweth]

Hey Merrick, next time could you use spoiler tags in your post?
Really helps others so that no one gets an issue or what have you spoiled for them, especially during Civil War. Thanks.

[Edward J. Cunningham]

Two things to think about:

1. The Superhuman Registration Act has passed. It’s the law. So… People who are violating it are breaking the law. Plain and simple. And She-Hulk is an officer of the court.

2. Registering does NOT mean revealing your secret identity to the world. It means revealing your secret identity to the state/government. And the state does NOT require you to “Pull a Parker” and take your mask off at a televised news conference. For example, the government doesn’t (or rather shouldn’t) reveal the identities of CIA operatives.

To get more of “She-Hulk’s” views on this matter, be sure to check out She-Hulk’s Op Ed piece in the special CIVIL WAR edition of the DAILY BUGLE. It’ll be on sale this July and—if for know other reason—gamma-fans should snag a copy to sneak a peek at all the lovely all-new Mike Mayhew painted artwork inside!

ttyl
Dan

BTW, the effects of PLANET HULK and the ILLUMINATI SPECIAL will be felt in the SHE-HULK book sooner than you think...

Seeds are planted in #9 (out soon-- I promise!)...
...and will be KEY and IMPORTANT elements in
SHE-HULK: PLANET W/O A HULK
starting in SHE-HULK #14!

(Eep! Just noticed that Dingo posted in the time it took me to type up all of this malarky! And-- he pretty much covered all of my points to a "T"! See, here I thought that posting at 3-or-so in the morning ment I was here all by my lonesome... But darn it, I forgot about the time-change to Australia! Shucks...)

BTW, nobody is making much of this milestone, but congratulations on passing the number of issues on the original run of Savage She-Hulk! That book lasted 25 issues and issue #14 will be your 26th issue of the current run. Looks like the next target in our sights will be 35, which is how many issues Elektra lasted and aside from Spider-Girl is the longest running solo heroine comic Marvel has published recently...

Eddie Cunningham

[Dan Slott]

BTW, nobody is making much of this milestone, but congratulations on passing the number of issues on the original run of Savage She-Hulk! That book lasted 25 issues and issue #14 will be your 26th issue of the current run.....

Well... Not quite there yet. Let's get the issues on the stands first.:)
Seriously, a lesson I learned while working at Acclaim Comics (where I had a total of 9 stories that never saw print)... "It's not a comic till it has staples in it and you're holding it in your hands."

Also, SAVAGE SHE-HULK had #25 uninterrupted issues-- and that's quite an achievement!

[Hot Pink]

Well... Not quite there yet. Let's get the issues on the stands first.:)
Seriously, a lesson I learned while working at Acclaim Comics (where I had a total of 9 stories that never saw print)... "It's not a comic till it has staples in it and you're holding it in your hands."

Also, SAVAGE SHE-HULK had #25 uninterrupted issues-- and that's quite an achievement!
i am going to pull out my staple gun and start turning things into COMICS!.

watermelon+staples+hands= COMIC

[Sam Little]

i am going to pull out my staple gun and start turning things into COMICS!.

watermelon+staples+hands= COMIC


Mmmmmm......watermelon comics.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

Another reason to look forward to the Daily Bugle special (besides the usual - I adore fictional 'documents' as a storytelling mechanism).

Y'know, I'm still not ruling out She-Hulk in Civil War being positioned to become a critical voice on the pro-reg side. I never thought she'd go anti - even if she thought it was downright wrong, I'd imagined her obeying the law while speaking openly against it - but there's just something in how she's appearing in CW... She keeps popping up, on promotional posters and fliers, here and there in the issues, it just makes me suspect there's a reason she's being positioned there. Aside from looking damn good, that is. Almost as if she's there so that new readers will get used to the sight of her, so it won't seem odd if she has some significant things to say later on. I definitely think there'll be some serious debate going on among the pro-reg heroes at some point, wider than just Reed and Sue being at odds, and Jen could be being positioned to be part of that.

But that's just speculation. Whether or not that's going to be the case, I can totally buy She-Hulk being pro-reg. I don't think she'll be accepting of corruption or excessive heavy-handedness in bringing the anti-reg heroes to 'justice', but I don't see her going outlaw in the manner that Captain America has. Worst case scenario - if she's ordered to do something she finds morally wrong, and threatened with imprisonment otherwise - I think she'd take the cell, rather than go renegade.

Re: issue counts... okay, let's have a 26th issue party when #14 comes out (touch wood), then, gods and what-have-you willing, a 26th consecutive issue party with vol.2 #26, and so on. Many parties. We'll put Jen's power ballad playlist on the stereo and everything.

[Merrik]

Hey Merrick, next time could you use spoiler tags in your post?
Really helps others so that no one gets an issue or what have you spoiled for them, especially during Civil War. Thanks.


My bad, I usually do.

I did a quick edit at the top of my post to alert anyone else entering the thread about spoilers.

[Merrik]

And thanks to everyone who responded. There hasn't been much discussion about She-Hulk's involvement in Civil War and it's muchly appreciated that everyone took the time to respond. I do have some things to bring up in response to what was said, but I'm snoozy right now, and wordy, and it takes me a long time to write things, so I'll come back to it later.

I do have to say right now though, that this...

BTW, the effects of PLANET HULK and the ILLUMINATI SPECIAL will be felt in the SHE-HULK book sooner than you think...

Seeds are planted in #9 (out soon-- I promise!)...
...and will be KEY and IMPORTANT elements in
SHE-HULK: PLANET W/O A HULK
starting in SHE-HULK #14!


Excites the livin' hell outta me!!!! :lol: I can not wait to see what you've got up your sleeve for this storyline Dan!

Also, I was unaware of the special CIVIL WAR edition of the DAILY BUGLE, so I've definitely got to keep my eyes out for that one this month too!

[Shannon Chenoweth]

My bad, I usually do.

I did a quick edit at the top of my post to alert anyone else entering the thread about spoilers.

Thanks. :)

[mrorangesoda]

Yeah, There's something about that Amazing Spider-man appearance that doesn't seem right.

I think the case can be made for any hero to be pro registration. She Hulk being a lawyer, I think he standing by the law is the logical decision. However, part of me is wondering what's going on with some of the heroes there to be active hunters of the anti registration group. Especially with Iron Man's "Before the dying starts tomorrow." line. Nothing in any comic I've ever read with some of these characters makes me think they could stand allied with a leader who says that.
Thunderbolts? fine, whatever villians/former villians can do whatever.
Doc Samson is a therapist. Wasp and Yellow Jacket have been upstanding Avengers for years. Sue Richards is a mother of two. Ben Grimm for goodness sakes, Ben Grimm- "the lovable blue eyed" superhero is going to be involved in this???

This kind of thing is where I'm having problems getting onboard with Civil War. At what point has the kill line been removed? The anti-registration group is breaking the law, yes. But so has every villian in every comic these heroes have ever appeared in, yet at no point have any of the heroes involved on each side of the issue killed lightly. So why exactly will there be dying tomorrow, if it rarely happened in the past?

Now, I know this is just a comic, and that any kind of discussion like this means that the orchestrators of this event are doing something right.I know it was just a dramatic last page cliffhanger to show us the assembled pro-reg side.I know that many of the characters who seem out of place are actually poised to take some kind of stand at a dramatic moment.
Finally, I'm in no way trying to claim ownership over what these characters should do, Ficitonal characters can do whatever their writer deems appropriate for the story. But as a reader, their current courses are not being justified enough for me just to accept at face value.

[Princesa]

I think She-Hulk being pro might be because as a lawyer she sees herself on the side of citizens hurt by the actions of heroes like those in Stamford. Maybe she's even advocating for some of them...

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

Yeah, I think that 'dying tomorrow' line is just Tony Stark using a fittingly grim description for what they're going to do. It's JMS after all, the man loves his weighty one-liners. And they are about to go into a psychologically-harrowing war - even if no-one dies, this is friend against friend with both sides believing they're right, and no mind-control or evil masterminds involved to blame the whole mess on. For most of the pro-reg heroes, there's no chance to treat the enemy as 'the enemy' - they know who they are, they know what they stand for, they know they're good men and women. Even if no-one actually dies, this is going to suck - it certainly won't be a case of beating down anti-reg supers and then heading back to the mess hall for brandy and a game of cards, Biggles-style. That's what I think Tony was referring to, not that they actually expect a huge body count.

[Supermutant]

I just totally hate Civil War. It's so far badly written and spidey unmasking is so wrong. Bad news is in my mind She-Hulk is one of the bad guys in this story because she sidding with Iron Man who is totally the villian and captain is the hero in my mind. That is a big time she-hulk fan saying that. I'm sorry but it will be open season on Super Hero's families including the she-hulk. You can't trust shield. I mean there is a evil new group in it every other month. Nick Fury was the only guy could trust and he isn't even with shield anymore. It's a bad idea all around. By the new issue of civil war front line has she-hulk as speedball's lawyer.

[illaphilla]

Nick Fury was the only guy could trust and he isn't even with shield anymore.

my guess: by the end of this thing, Fury will either be back as head of shield, or leading a new avengers team.

[Raydawggie]

It makes a lot of sense to me, and I really like how she's being portrayed. So far, she's the one member of the pro-registration side who doesn't creep me out. I get the feeling she's not 100% for it, but it's the law and she feels it could have benefits. All the while, she's helping to protect people like the New Warriors who are being scapegoated.

[beta-ray]

i am going to pull out my staple gun and start turning things into COMICS!.

watermelon+staples+hands= COMIC

Don't wanna know what else will be stapled! :scared:

[illaphilla]

All the while, she's helping to protect people like the New Warriors who are being scapegoated.

Speaking of the New Warriors, I just read Frontline #3. Since when did Speedball become such a badass?

[Kevinroc]

Two things to think about:

1. The Superhuman Registration Act has passed. It’s the law. So… People who are violating it are breaking the law. Plain and simple. And She-Hulk is an officer of the court.

2. Registering does NOT mean revealing your secret identity to the world. It means revealing your secret identity to the state/government. And the state does NOT require you to “Pull a Parker” and take your mask off at a televised news conference. For example, the government doesn’t (or rather shouldn’t) reveal the identities of CIA operatives.

To get more of “She-Hulk’s” views on this matter, be sure to check out She-Hulk’s Op Ed piece in the special CIVIL WAR edition of the DAILY BUGLE. It’ll be on sale this July and—if for no other reason—gamma-fans should snag a copy to sneak a peek at all the lovely all-new Mike Mayhew painted artwork inside!

ttyl
Dan

BTW, the effects of PLANET HULK and the ILLUMINATI SPECIAL will be felt in the SHE-HULK book sooner than you think...

Seeds are planted in #9 (out soon-- I promise!)...
...and will be KEY and IMPORTANT elements in
SHE-HULK: PLANET W/O A HULK
starting in SHE-HULK #14!

(Eep! Just noticed that Dingo posted in the time it took me to type up all of this malarky! And-- he pretty much covered all of my points to a "T"! See, here I thought that posting at 3-or-so in the morning ment I was here all by my lonesome... But darn it, I forgot about the time-change to Australia! Shucks...)

Planet without a Hulk sounds awesome. More ties to Planet Hulk is always a good thing in my book.

But I have a question. Why didn't Marvel put a "Civil War" tagline on She-Hulk #9 and other She-Hulk issues that tie into CW? Seems to me that Marvel is missing an oppurtunity to further boost a few more issues of She-Hulk (and potentially the series as a whole).

[Dan Slott]

...check out the DAILY BUGLE: CIVIL WAR edition (on sale now for a mere 50 cents).

Along with many informative articles and great photos (all "taken" by SHE-HULK Vol.1 cover artist, Mike Mayhew!), you can read an editorial on the subject by none other than Mrs. Jennifer Walters-Jameson herself!

Heck, gamma-fans, the all-new She-Hulk piece by Mayhew on Page 8 is worth the cost of admission alone! :)

ttyl
Dan

[jamdav86]

Hope I can get this...