Lawyers - how many rule against perrpetuities questions were on your bar?

[Seltzer Water]

studying for the NY bar right now and just want to get a feel. Bar/Bri said to expect 2-6 multiple choice ones

[xyzzy]

Just 1 or 2 on the MBEs and a small part of an essay. Just remember the fertile octegenarian rule and you'll be fine.

[Seltzer Water]

was the essay one pretty obvious after bar prep?

[xyzzy]

was the essay one pretty obvious after bar prep?

I don't even remember. I mean, as long as you just mention that the issue exists and yammer about it for a sentence or two, you don't even really have to udnerstand it. When in doubt, throw it in.

[Seltzer Water]

good enough for me, thanks

[Generic Poster]

Just chug through the sample tests and remember the fertile octagenarian rule, as said above. Property was actually the easiest MBE section, I thought. There's only so many rules and so many ways to question them. I remember when I took the bar, it seemed like the answer to about 80% of the questions was "race-notice statute," which made me really nervous.

[Jade]

studying for the NY bar right now and just want to get a feel. Bar/Bri said to expect 2-6 multiple choice ones

3-4... but don't take my word for it... cuz I've never taken the bar exam...

[Matt Jay]

I never fully understood the fertile octagenarian rule, which was good because it wasn't on my exam. I know that I had at least a couple perpetuities issues arise on the MBE, but I don't remember how many. I took the multiple choice portion on about 3 hours of sleep and I don't remember much about it at all.

[xyzzy]

I never fully understood the fertile octagenarian rule, which was good because it wasn't on my exam. I know that I had at least a couple perpetuities issues arise on the MBE, but I don't remember how many. I took the multiple choice portion on about 3 hours of sleep and I don't remember much about it at all.

It basically means that until someone is dead, you have to assume that they could have more kids.

[Ben]

It basically means that until someone is dead, you have to assume that they could have more kids.
That's always been my motto!

[Seltzer Water]

It basically means that until someone is dead, you have to assume that they could have more kids.


In NY, we have a cut off age of 55

[xyzzy]

In NY, we have a cut off age of 55

I think that a lot of jurisdictions have cut offs these days (although with fertility treatments/procedures, we probably could create a fertile octogenarian), but for the bar exam, unless it specifically lays out a statute, you have to use the rule.

[Seltzer Water]

can I call you Yoda until July 27?

[Matt Jay]

It basically means that until someone is dead, you have to assume that they could have more kids.
Ah, I knew that. I think I'm thinking about the "unborn widow's children" hypo. I forget what it's called, but it's confusing as hell.

[xyzzy]

Ah, I knew that. I think I'm thinking about the "unborn widow's children" hypo. I forget what it's called, but it's confusing as hell.

Yeah, that one is fucked up. Thankfully, it's not really something you need to know for the bar.

[Jim T.]

Good lord - thanks for the mindfuck flashback!!! As I recall (11 years ago) the Bar/BRI prep course pretty much gave you the half dozen or so versions of how they test for the Rule - there is (was) a limited number of aspects of the Rule that they test for and I remember feeling pretty good that I could handle how they would be presented. But I can't remember exactly what came up and how I did. So I'm utterly useless to you. Good luck, though!

[Sy-Klone]

Since there are lawyers here...

I graduated law school last month and I'm planning to take the bar exam next February. I could have taken it in July, but I was really afraid that I would not be prepared and I really don't want to have to take it more than once if possible.

Am I crazy for not taking Bar/Bri or PMBR? I really can't afford to pay it out of my own pocket, and the firm where I'm currently working will not pay for it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely going to invest in comprehensive study materials or even self-study software like MicroMash, but I need a cheaper alternative for bar prep.

I know that almost everyone takes either Bar/Bri or PMBR, and I may regret not taking them, but I really need to work this summer and at least part-time this fall, mostly because I'm broke and poor.

My plan is to work full-time this summer, save up a nice reserve of funds, and then cut back to working part-time starting in September, i.e. work from 8-12 every day and then spend from 1-6pm every day between September and January studying or prepping for the bar exam.

Am I crazy? :)

[Jim T.]

Since there are lawyers here...

I graduated law school last month and I'm planning to take the bar exam next February. I could have taken it in July, but I was really afraid that I would not be prepared and I really don't want to have to take it more than once if possible.

Am I crazy for not taking Bar/Bri or PMBR? I really can't afford to pay it out of my own pocket, and the firm where I'm currently working will not pay for it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely going to invest in comprehensive study materials or even self-study software like MicroMash, but I need a cheaper alternative for bar prep.

I know that almost everyone takes either Bar/Bri or PMBR, and I may regret not taking them, but I really need to work this summer and at least part-time this fall, mostly because I'm broke and poor.

My plan is to work full-time this summer, save up a nice reserve of funds, and then cut back to working part-time starting in September, i.e. work from 8-12 every day and then spend from 1-6pm every day between September and January studying or prepping for the bar exam.

Am I crazy? :)

In all honesty, there is no way in hell I could have passed the bar without a summer of prep with Bar/BRI. That total immersion was something I needed in order to (a) build up the knowledge and (b) learn how to take the damn thing (and that was probably the more important part). There's no way I could have worked and prepped enough.

But that's me - I know lawyers who maintained their practice while preparing for an out-of-state bar and I know people who did something similar to what you're planning to do. What you need to think about is this: if you're "crazy" and your plan fails, you'll need to take it again, presumably with the full prep. That will push your plans, whatever they might be, off for another 6 or so months. You need to decide if the risk is acceptable. Good luck!

[Matt Jay]

Since there are lawyers here...

I graduated law school last month and I'm planning to take the bar exam next February. I could have taken it in July, but I was really afraid that I would not be prepared and I really don't want to have to take it more than once if possible.

Am I crazy for not taking Bar/Bri or PMBR? I really can't afford to pay it out of my own pocket, and the firm where I'm currently working will not pay for it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely going to invest in comprehensive study materials or even self-study software like MicroMash, but I need a cheaper alternative for bar prep.

I know that almost everyone takes either Bar/Bri or PMBR, and I may regret not taking them, but I really need to work this summer and at least part-time this fall, mostly because I'm broke and poor.

My plan is to work full-time this summer, save up a nice reserve of funds, and then cut back to working part-time starting in September, i.e. work from 8-12 every day and then spend from 1-6pm every day between September and January studying or prepping for the bar exam.

Am I crazy? :)

Sounds risky. I've got a friend who was just going to do MicroMash, but even she wasn't going to work at the same time. I ended up taking off work for 3 weeks before the bar and I took BarBri. I was probably studying 60-70 hours a week towards the end, and I didn't exactly pass with flying colors.

On the other hand, it does sound like you'll be getting a jump on the studying, which will help. I didn't even start until January when I took it in February. Everyone's different, so it could work pretty well for you.

[Sy-Klone]

See, my thought is, if I can spread out my review over about 3-4 months rather than 1-2 months, I can still work enough to keep my landlord happy and food in the fridge. :)

I don't deny that there is risk, but then again, as Jim T. noted, people are different. I know people who took Bar/Bri or PMBR and still failed, and I know people who did self-study and failed.

I'm under no illusions about how hard the self-study route will be, especially in terms of discipline. It has to be something that I completely commit to drilling every single day.

I feel like I'm the kind of person who'd get more out of tailoring my own plan of action for studying, as opposed to Bar/Bri.

At the same time, I feel the peer pressure: "Oh, you're not taking Bar/Bri? Is that wise?"

Believe me, I'd love to take Bar/Bri, but I simply cannot afford it in the very near future.

[Seltzer Water]

I am on New York Practice now and it fucking blows. How did you each do your state's civil procedure?

[Matt Jay]

I am on New York Practice now and it fucking blows. How did you each do your state's civil procedure?

Thankfully, I just had to know federal civil procedure. Assuming you have to know that too, the BarBri video with Mike Spack was great. I used some mneumonic device he gave to nail the federal jurisdiction question on the MEE.

[Seltzer Water]

Thankfully, I just had to know federal civil procedure. Assuming you have to know that too, the BarBri video with Mike Spack was great. I used some mneumonic device he gave to nail the federal jurisdiction question on the MEE.

For NY Procedure, I had some guy who played a banjo at the end. Right now, I am listening to Erwin Chemerinsky teaching me about takings in conlaw. I am surprised at the quality of these BarBri professors. When I taught for Kaplan, I was awful compared to these professionals

[Jim T.]

For NY Procedure, I had some guy who played a banjo at the end. Right now, I am listening to Erwin Chemerinsky teaching me about takings in conlaw. I am surprised at the quality of these BarBri professors. When I taught for Kaplan, I was awful compared to these professionals


When is your bar? I seem to think mine was the end of July becaues it fucked up my wedding anniversary plans but I can't recall for sure.

[Seltzer Water]

When is your bar? I seem to think mine was the end of July becaues it fucked up my wedding anniversary plans but I can't recall for sure.

Mine is July 25 and 26. My wedding is going to be on August 19, so it is interfering iin the planning stages

[Jim T.]

Mine is July 25 and 26. My wedding is going to be on August 19, so it is interfering iin the planning stages

Good luck, brother. Not something I would (or could!) repeat again - that said, the feeling you'll have on the 26th will be awesome. It's such a HUGE relief to have it over and done with - it will be even nicer for you with a wedding and honeymoon soon after.

[Seltzer Water]

Good luck, brother. Not something I would (or could!) repeat again - that said, the feeling you'll have on the 26th will be awesome. It's such a HUGE relief to have it over and done with - it will be even nicer for you with a wedding and honeymoon soon after.

thanks, was your wedding closer to the bar date?

[Jim T.]

thanks, was your wedding closer to the bar date?

It was near my anniversary date - I got married the summer before my third year.