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Michael Lark
04-22-2006, 12:21 PM
Here's my answer, from a previous thread:





The most important thing anyone ever taught me about choosing drawing tools is that you need to find a tool or tools that feel like an extension of your hand. If you read "how to" books about inking or comics art (DON'T!!!!), they'll all say you need to use windsor-newton series 7 brushes and crowquills. Well, that's bullshit. You don't NEED to use anything if it doesn't have the right feel. Those tools are fine, nothing wrong with them, but they don't feel right to me, so I don't use them.

The look of what you're going for is important, too. Were I into stuff that had a lot of super-clean lines and hatching and feathering and stuff like that, I'd probably have to use the tools I mentioned above. But I've never liked that stuff, and I don't have the patience for it anyway.

So, to (finally) answer your question. :smile:

I use a few tools regularly. The first is the Pentel Color Brush (http://islandblue.com/catalogue.cfm?main_id=17&sub_id=87&product_id=24), which Kody mentioned. I love using brushes, but I hate cleaning them, I hate dipping them, I hate the way you'll be right in the middle of a drawing and the ink runs out and you have to stop drawing and dip them in the ink again and then there might be too much ink or something. What a pain. I'm lazy. The color brush works perfectly for me - the black barrel of the pen is a detachable/replaceable ink cartridge made of soft plastic. When the ink runs low, you just give it a squeeze, which adds ink to a resevior which feeds the brush. You can get all kinds of effects from them, from dry brush to split brush to just plain old brush. They're extremely durable and hold their points perfectly. I can mush it down and get it all messed up, then just give it a little twist and get it pointed again and it's as good as new. I love them. They come in a couple of different sizes, roughly equivalent to a size 1 and size 3 brush.

I also like the Pentel Pocket Brush (http://islandblue.com/catalogue.cfm?main_id=17&sub_id=87&product_id=25), which is similar. It's a little smaller and looks more like a pen, and it doesn't have the squeezeable ink cartridge. It supplies a constant flow of ink to the tip. You can't get the drybrush and textured effects, but the constant flow is nice if you're looking for more fluid lines.

For more detailed brush work, I use the Faber-Castell Pitt Artist Pen (http://www.dickblick.com/zz207/59/) with a brush nib. This is a marker with a fake brush tip. When they're new, you can get incredibly fine lines. They tend to lose the "newness" pretty quick, though, and the tip gets too mushy. But, for a dollar a piece, they do the trick. I know a lot of artists who use these exclusively. They are, by far, the best brush-tip markers on the planet.

I also use several different pens. My main pen is a Pentel Fountain Pentel (http://www.cultpens.com/acatalog/Fountain_Pentel.html#a582). (I should buy stock in Pentel!) This is a marker with a plastic fountain pen nib. You can get a pretty wide variety of line weights out of them, without any of the hassles of a true fountain pen or crowquill. I've been using these for years. Unfortunately, they stopped carrying them in the US, and I have to buy them from Europe. Still worth it, though.

I also sometimes use Rotring Artpens (http://artsuppliesonline.com/catalog.cfm?cata_id=1733), which are true fountain pens. I don't use the ink that comes with them, but instead use piston-fill ink cartridges (http://artsuppliesonline.com/catalog.cfm?cata_id=1883) filled with Sheaffer fountain pen ink (http://www.dickblick.com/zz208/23a/). These aren't as flexible as the Fountain Pentels, but they make nice lines that are a bit more mechanical. I have 5 sizes - the extra fine and fine sketch nibs, and the medium, bold, and extra bold lettering nibs.

For white out, I use a pentel correction pen. I hate brushing on white-out, and have yet to find a white-out that I like for that purpose. I do it as little as possible, cause I don't like drawing over the white.

For paper, I use watercolor paper excusively now. I like paper with a good tooth/texture. I find that Bienfang and Canson make it in a texture that I like best. For my comics pages, I use Bienfang Aquademic 90 pound paper (http://www.dickblick.com/zz100/26/), which is heavier than drawing paper but lighter than bristol or regular watercolor paper. I can put it through my printer and/or use it with my lightbox much better this way.

I scan all my art as 1200 dpi line-art/bitmap. Then I do a lot of work on the pages in photoshop. This is where I do most of my corrections. I also add textures, some backgrounds, and other little things to the art. In my first Pulse issue, I did all the rain in Illustrator, which I then imported onto the art in photoshop. I then used a variety of brushes to add fog, steam, smoke (from J.Jonah Jameson's nonexistent cigar!). I use a Wacom Intuos3 6x8 (http://www.wacom.com/productinfo/6x8.cfm) graphics tablet. On the stylus, I find that the felt nip feels best to me, cause I like the feel best, but I doubt that really matters. Everything gets converted to a 400 dpi bitmap - no grayscale! - before being sent in.

Kody
04-22-2006, 07:40 PM
Have you been able to find the Pentel Fountain pen anywhere on line in the US? I haven't had any luck finding it except for the UK stores.

Zanconato
05-26-2006, 02:24 AM
Hey, i've got a Pentel Brush Pen and I was wondering how you make the strokes dryier?

Also planning on buying a Pentel Grey Colour Brush (Can you get refills for this?) and a couple of the Pentel Aquash pens, anyone tried them?

Zanconato
05-26-2006, 10:59 AM
Sorry - just re-read your post. I have a Pocket Pentel Brush Pen - thats why I couldn't get it dry - I need a colour one.

Kody
05-26-2006, 11:57 AM
Sorry - just re-read your post. I have a Pocket Pentel Brush Pen - thats why I couldn't get it dry - I need a colour one.

Same thing happens with mine, it gets dry real fast, the ink just doesn't flow fast enough to keep up with my line.

pazaceta
07-14-2006, 03:44 PM
Old topic I know but I just came across something and I thought I'd share just incase....

Kody asked about finding Pentel brushes and stuff in the US and apparently www.wetpaintart.com sells them. Because I wanna be just like Mr. Lark I also use the pocket brush and until now I've ordered it from UK... BUT wetpaintart is located in St. Paul, MN. Still ordering it online and still has to be shipped but it's another option if the UK ones drop out. Anyway, here's the address...

http://www.wetpaintart.com/Wet_Paint_Online_Art_Supplies.htm

They also Fiber-Castle stuff and other pens. Don't know if I helped but like I said.. just in case

P.

Seth
07-15-2006, 07:11 AM
I have ALL of those pens- everytime I see a new pen I buy it- but the one I use the most is the papermate flair. They're cheap, have a good nib with steady ink flow (no bleeding) & are especially good for an organic, more rounded line quality. I would never use one for a comic page, but I do all my sketching with the flair (whoo!) & I think that's what Alex Toth used, too.
With photoshop, I actually didn't even ink the last comic I did at all. Saved some time & kept the images "loose", but it takes so much of the fun out of it.

Michael Lark
07-21-2006, 06:21 AM
Hey, i've got a Pentel Brush Pen and I was wondering how you make the strokes dryier?

Also planning on buying a Pentel Grey Colour Brush (Can you get refills for this?) and a couple of the Pentel Aquash pens, anyone tried them?

Hey gang. Don't know why I missed these posts, but I'll try to answer them.

OK, Pentel brush pens. I'm using the color brush, which makes a difference. It is the one with the squeezy barrel/ink cartridge. I keep two going at any given time. One I sqeeze and load up the ink resevoir. I use that for thicker lines and filling in blacks. When it starts to go a little bit dry, I pick up my other one and sqeeze it and load up the ink cartridge. So, I use the drier one for fine line work, and the wet one for the bolder stuff. Does that make sense?

I also use watercolor paper, which helps when doing the drybrush stuff. I prefer to use stuff with a pretty fine tooth.

The Pentel Pocket Brush stays too wet for my taste, and the lines come out too thick. It has better ink, but that's the sacrifice I have to make.

Michael Lark
07-21-2006, 06:22 AM
Have you been able to find the Pentel Fountain pen anywhere on line in the US? I haven't had any luck finding it except for the UK stores.

They've stopped carrying them in the US. I have to order them from the UK - so I order like 20 boxes at a time.

TomBelandTSSTG
08-06-2006, 05:42 PM
I've been using the Staedler Mars 3000 brush pens and I love them. I can do two, three issues with one brush. I used to use regular brushes, but I've found the same problems Michael had with them and I really haven't liked the quality of both brushes AND inks. The inks seem watered down these days.

Anyhoo.. you can get the Staedlers online for a few bucks per pen.

Hope that helps.

Michael... your work is infuckingcredible. One of my favorites.

Special Agent Bachman
08-07-2006, 02:37 AM
Mike, what's your opinion on Pigma Micron pens? These happen to be my personal favorite for inking, but I was curious as to what you thought about them. Thanks!

John Drake
10-10-2006, 10:49 AM
Wish I had seen this earlier. Very informative, thanks!

Michael Lark
10-11-2006, 07:05 AM
Mike, what's your opinion on Pigma Micron pens? These happen to be my personal favorite for inking, but I was curious as to what you thought about them. Thanks!

How'd I miss this one?

I like em ok. My only problem is that I have to switch pens too often to get a good variety of line weights. That's why I switched to the Fountain Pentels. I can get every line weight that the Microns come in using only one pen. It makes my drawing much more organic and fluid. And fun. (Which is the most important thing!)

T Pallot
11-01-2006, 04:19 PM
Hiya,

I thought I'd add a tip that I didn't see in reading the posts;

I use the Pocket Brush Pen, but rather than use the ink cartidges that come with the pen (or buying refills), I just refill one cartridge. I've been using Koh-i-noor 3080-4 Universal Ink (waterproof drawing ink for paper and film) for a long time, and it's fantabulous.

I have a big 8 oz bottle of this ink, and I transfer it down to one of the small tech pen ink bottles and use that to refill the cartridges because the tip on the small bottle works nicely for refilling.

I also pop the nibs off my Staedtler Pigment Liner pens and put 5 to 10 drops of ink in them to recharge. This works great when I find one with a Magical Nib that can do no wrong!

I have used other tech pen inks in the past, whatever I could find at the time, and I've never had a problem with any of them.

Hope that helps someone, now I think I'm going to get my hands on one of those Fountain Pentels, sounds like I would like it a whole lot.

-T.

Kody
11-02-2006, 07:44 AM
How'd I miss this one?

I like em ok. My only problem is that I have to switch pens too often to get a good variety of line weights. That's why I switched to the Fountain Pentels. I can get every line weight that the Microns come in using only one pen. It makes my drawing much more organic and fluid. And fun. (Which is the most important thing!)

Lark!

Man, I still haven't been able to find a good online source for the Fountain Pentel. I may just bite the bullet and order from the UK store I found. IF anyone spots them online, please drop a link. I may do a little more searching later today. Got two big projects starting in the next couple of weeks, so I'm gonna need some pens that can keep up.

Michael Lark
11-03-2006, 08:29 PM
Lark!

Man, I still haven't been able to find a good online source for the Fountain Pentel. I may just bite the bullet and order from the UK store I found. IF anyone spots them online, please drop a link. I may do a little more searching later today. Got two big projects starting in the next couple of weeks, so I'm gonna need some pens that can keep up.

They don't sell them in the US any more. You have to order them from the UK. Sucks, don't it?

If you can hold out 'till WWTX, I can get you an extra box or two.

Kody
11-05-2006, 09:16 AM
They don't sell them in the US any more. You have to order them from the UK. Sucks, don't it?

If you can hold out 'till WWTX, I can get you an extra box or two.

Hell yeah!

Seth
01-18-2007, 08:42 AM
Just a note on all the pens mentioned here, & new links.

http://www.johnnealbooks.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/online-store/scstore/c-Supplies_--_Brushes.html?E+scstoreJohn Neal Bookseller-Greensboro, NC

http://www.wetpaintart.com/ecommercepentelbrushpen.aspWet Paint-St.Paul, MN (the one Paul mentioned).

https://www.pentelstore.com/catalog/index.php?ctgy=42&osCsid=4891aea3e555a620851ea7ef954bc96fthe Pentel online store (which kinda sucks).

These are all in the US. There are several places in Canada, some of which "no longer ship to the US" for some reason.

Seth
07-22-2007, 09:05 AM
Went to Hobby Lobby (http://www.hobbylobby.com/home.cfm) yesterday & found the Pentel Color Brushes for $7.98 or so.
Didn't see any refills, however, but nice to have a back-up if I can't wait for shipping.

Gloria
09-10-2007, 07:07 AM
Thanks to everybody in this thread for the info and links abot places to get these fountainpens & brushes. I used to supply myself at the London Graphic Center (http://www.londongraphics.co.uk/) whenever I had the chance to go to London (in Spain it is impossible to get those helpful Pentel stuff, then and now). Thank the gods for the www.

When Michael Lark said in this thread's first postYou don't NEED to use anything if it doesn't have the right feel I felt so good. I mean, it was as when I saw a documentary about Degas and his technique with pastels: it turns out that he would do a drawing, but then, he would, over this original drawing, he would make copies with tracing paper which he would colour with pastels... When I saw that documentary, I felt liberated from teachers who mauled me at just one or two types of right paper, and how a drawing should be done, from sketch to final inks/gouaches/watercolour, over the very same paper... The discovery of the chance of cleaning original sketches, either by use of tracing paper or thin paper as in animation was quite a release!

At drawing school we were told to use brushes and dip pens with nibs. It was a real pain till you got a bit used to them, and the way was full of good pencilwork being blotter over until you got a bit of skill. However, i could never get used to nibs (even if I still keep a good collection of them) and I finally did all my work with Da Vinci sable brushes: for the finer lines I would use the 1 or 2 size... at the end of the day it was a pain in the fingertips, but worked lots better than the dip pens for me.

Dan Lombardo
03-21-2008, 12:27 AM
great info, dude, thanks i'm gonna look into that paper you mentioned

VitoDGK
03-22-2008, 07:39 AM
any insight on rapidographs? I use microns but I want to avoid pens I constantly need to re-buy when they go out

Seth
03-25-2008, 12:45 AM
any insight on rapidographs? I use microns but I want to avoid pens I constantly need to re-buy when they go out

The question is... do you want to re-buy or constantly clean all your pens?
Rapidographs are expensive & you must include cleaning in your regular routine or you've wasted quite a bit of $$. Even the brush pens that Michael mentioned in this thread, though not cheap, are not the type you need to clean. Micron even has a brush pen that I really like, but the tip frays pretty quickly.

As far as tech pens, I like the microns better than rapidographs, & pitt pens better than microns. Pitts come in varying sizes, including a very firm brush nib (yes, I'm always pushing the brushes on people) that you'll see with every artist at any con. The pitt pens come in sizes such as M, F, & S instead of numerical distinction so they don't get as fine as a 0.005 micron... but the ink seems to last longer, whether its the amount or the quality or the flow I can't say.

Kody
03-26-2008, 07:44 AM
I refill Microns all the time. Just pop off the back cap and squirt some ink in using one of those inkjet refil syringes. Easy as pie. :D

VitoDGK
04-11-2008, 02:52 AM
hm, oic. thanks for responding btw.

CaptainBritain
06-30-2008, 04:43 PM
I have a question but its fairly loaded, sorry. Michael whats the process you use to get your work to look so damn realistic, i'm reading the latest Daredevil and the street scenes are incredible. Do you work from tons of photos or from life or can you do this straight from your head?


Your style is a breath of fresh air. I'm just looking to learn, so sorry if its a cheeky question.

Arion
09-13-2008, 09:11 PM
I have a question but its fairly loaded, sorry. Michael whats the process you use to get your work to look so damn realistic, i'm reading the latest Daredevil and the street scenes are incredible. Do you work from tons of photos or from life or can you do this straight from your head?


Your style is a breath of fresh air. I'm just looking to learn, so sorry if its a cheeky question.

It's a good question, though.