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Justin.Strange
04-02-2006, 06:15 PM
I was cleaning up my room earlier today and in the dusty ass corner a object caught my eye. It was my copy of Final Fantasy 8 in a broken case. It was just laying there from the last time I got pissed and threw it there in disgust.

I picked it up, popped it in the PS2, watched the CGI intro, and decided I'm finally gonna beat this game no matter how stupid the story is.

This will be my third attempt to complete the game. I give it two weeks before it returns to the dusty ass corner...

krumpy
04-02-2006, 06:18 PM
Oh, c'mon, it wasn't that bad. And the ending is worth it.

Kefky
04-02-2006, 06:19 PM
Ooooo, is this gonna start an FF fanboy battle? I remenber those in the old days! They were FUN! :D

Joe Henderson
04-02-2006, 06:20 PM
I gave up after an hour or so. I was so bored (and I used to be a huge FF nut).

Kefky
04-02-2006, 06:21 PM
So who's gonna be the first to spoil story stuff and piss this guy off? :lol:

Len Ford
04-02-2006, 06:24 PM
I really enjoyed this game when it was out. The system of draining magic from enemies and using to bring up your HP and attacks took a little getting used to but once you did it was pretty fun. I know a lot of my friends that had followed Final Fantasy since NES thought that this was their least favorite. Some would say that it was a good game... just not a good Final Fantasy (too much tech, etc.).

Justin.Strange
04-02-2006, 06:39 PM
The beginning was great. I really wanted to like Squall and the cast of characters. It was a great premise. But it quickly turned to shit...

The magic system where you had to drain the spells from the monsters instead of just equiping or learning them was more pain in the ass than experimental and cutting edge...

The abundance of characters which added NOTHING to the overall story. Why exactly is the teacher following us around?

The evil villain wasnt the villian at all. The real villain is from THE FUTURE!!! and wants to COMPRESS TIME!!! Fucking what?

Rinoa allasudden becoming the sorceress

God. Last time i made it to the part where I have to save the floating kingdom for the guys that are in the flashbacks and I said fuck it....

Professor Oreo
04-02-2006, 06:48 PM
I gave up after an hour or so. I was so bored (and I used to be a huge FF nut).

Yep, same deal with me. I just couldn't get into it no matter how hard I tried. Good luck to you though, OP!

Ziolko
04-02-2006, 06:57 PM
I got to the end of that game and stopped playing it. The story finally made my brain collapse.

I much prefered FF9, though nothing beats 6.

Bervda
04-02-2006, 07:01 PM
I have the unpopular duty to call FFVIII my favorite Final Fantasy.

Kefky
04-02-2006, 07:06 PM
I have the unpopular duty to call FFVIII my favorite Final Fantasy.

It's not as unpopular as you might think. It's just that, as with any other medium, the old-school fanboys always scream louder.

Justin.Strange
04-02-2006, 07:07 PM
I have the unpopular duty to call FFVIII my favorite Final Fantasy.

It has a large and strong cult following. Damned if I knew why though...

JayPee
04-02-2006, 07:08 PM
i was never into RPGs. my friend got FFVII and told me i should get it. i bought it, and while i didn't LOVE it, i enjoyed it and beat it. i played VIII for a while but i got to a point where i couldn't make it any further and i had no desire to. i had enough.

now Final Fantasy 9. i took a semester off from college to beat FFIX. and i cried like a little girl when i completed it.

xyzzy
04-02-2006, 07:12 PM
I liked 8. I liked the guardian system. 9 bored me to death, though.

Amos Moses
04-02-2006, 07:19 PM
I loved the interaction between Squall and Rinoa.

Justin.Strange
04-02-2006, 07:25 PM
The restart project starts now.

A.Huerta
04-02-2006, 07:25 PM
4 things that were tight about FFVIII...

1.Gunblades
2.Guardian system
3.Gilgamesh
4.Some of the Final Limit breaks were KaRazy

Rest was bleh.

Craig C
04-02-2006, 08:33 PM
Yeah I played it used the gameshark to beat it. Yeah yeah I know that's cheating but like an aquaitance of mines drill seargant told him in basic "Son if you aint cheating you aint trying hard enough".

Bradford
04-02-2006, 08:36 PM
i didn't like that you had to use the summons to do any real damage early on (weapon attacks were really weak) and the summons took about 20-30 seconds each too pull off. Not cool hombre.

Foolish Mortal
04-02-2006, 08:54 PM
I actually liked the characters. Squall is aloof and a bit cold, but as you progress through the game you begin to understand why he is the way he is. Really, all the characters are great. Even the goofy Laguna.

I also liked the large world and cool side-quests.

The main problem with the FF8 is the gameplay. The spell system sucks. One, because you have to draw the stronger spells, and two, the spells themselves aren't really powerful enough to be useful anyway. Their only real use is to enhance the strength and defense of your characters.

I found that to be very annoying. Why create an elaborate spell system but make the spells useful for anything BUT casting them?? Does that make sense?

With the spell casting aspect removed, you're pretty much limited to using regular attacks which you have to keep doing to build up your Limit Breaks. That gets very boring after awhile.

If this game had a better battle system it would have been one of my top all-time favorite RPGs.

A.Huerta
04-02-2006, 08:57 PM
i didn't like that you had to use the summons to do any real damage early on (weapon attacks were really weak) and the summons took about 20-30 seconds each too pull off. Not cool hombre.


You could skip the summons by pressing X or something. Not really a big deal.

Kefky
04-02-2006, 08:59 PM
You could skip the summons by pressing X or something. Not really a big deal.

Um, I'm pretty sure that you couldn't. I didn't mind the lenghty summons myself because I was always too busy slamming the damn square button. Diablos was a bitch though.

A.Huerta
04-02-2006, 09:25 PM
Maybe I had a special version, cause I could skip em'.

Kefky
04-02-2006, 09:28 PM
Maybe I had a special version, cause I could skip em'.

Gameshark? :-?

krumpy
04-02-2006, 09:52 PM
I think you could skip them, but why would you want to? By pressing Select + Square you could get like 30,000 damage using Eden.

WinterRose
04-02-2006, 10:42 PM
If I ever tried this again, it'd have to be with a gameshark. I didn't hate the magic or the storyline or the characters. I was fine with that for the most part. What I could not stand. And I never thought I'd hate an aspect of Final Fantasy more than Chocobos, but I hated the ancillary card game more than a vasectomy performed by a rabid badger with a rusty chainsaw.

I mean, the gold saucer music made me want to kill after the first hour. The hoedown chocobo music in the racing things that I had to endure to get the ultracool Knights of the Round summon in FF7 was eventually worth it. Nothing however, including the suck-ass chrysler building in Parasite Eve's B-Game could have prepared me for the level of awfulness of the rumpty-tumpty music in the card game that you were REQUIRED to play and get good at in order to get all the guardians an such.

Sweet evil fuck. At least the folks at Lucasarts didn't make playing Pazaac in the KotOR games a REQUIREMENT to getting your force powers or your saber later. This was the Final Fantasy equivalent of U. Spider Man's race levels. Boring as fuck. Hard as hell, and completely goddam unnecessary to the flow of events. I understand how minigames can be fun. The FF8 Card game was not fun. It was UNfun. The opposite of fun. Anti-fun. And it was eventually the deal-breaker for me as far as the game went. I never got past em getting washed up on some beach somewhere with the Balamb Garden now being seaworthy. And until I find a way to get the guardians without having to play that idiotic card game, I never will.

Oh. And a hint. I know you folks at squaresoft are proud of the music you put in your games, and the eventual orchestrated versions and jazz versions on CD that follow. But here's a hint. INCLUDE AN IN GAME VOLUME CONTROL FOR THE DAMN SOUNDTRACK IN YOUR GAMES! The meanest thing you've ever done was sentence us to that card game, the chocobo track and Gold Saucer for hours at a time with no way to get that godawful music out of our heads without muting the TV altogether.

Real simple way to validate it. Put ten random gamers in a room. Pipe in the card game music at them from a speaker they can't disable. Lock them in for the amount of time they might have to spend, resetting and resetting the game in order to NOT lose the rare character cards they've worked so hard to get. Say about one or two hours. Then send a brave person in to ask them how they liked the music. If you're feeling particularly sadistic, don't give the guy you send any body armour or weapons to protect himself.

Fuckers.

Hate_Prime
04-02-2006, 10:45 PM
Report back once you've realized you've spent half an hour siphoning magic crap from that lone stupid monster you're keeping alive.

Kirblar
04-02-2006, 10:50 PM
VII, IX and X and X-2 are all worth playing. 8 is just too much of a pain in the ass.

Good & Evil
04-02-2006, 10:54 PM
I remember getting to the entrance of the final boss after a couple of weeks of playing. I sat there for a moment and then turned off my playstation. I realized that after all that, I really had no interest in finishing it. Haven't touched it since. Still have the memory card with the game save.

Oh, and winterose is correct. The card game sucks mighty dugongs.

Justin.Strange
04-02-2006, 10:58 PM
I just completed the SeeD field exam at the island/communications tower.

I must admit I forgot how fuckin dope gunblades are.

The dialouge seems very....censored. Maybe because of the shitstorm Part 7 caused with all the swearing, but the dialouge in 8 just seems un natural so far.

And for the life of me I cannot figure out why they thought this "draw" magic system was a good idea. Its a bigger pain in the ass to use than being raped by a gay porno star named "Gary the Big Dicked Bandit".

The only character who is physically strong is Squall. The rest are weak bitches, which would be alright if they were stong magically. But they're not. So what can you do? Load them up with weak spells or summon. But the beef with summoning is that the long animation is nice & pretty the first time, annoying as fuck the 5th time. Oy..

Angel of Distraction
04-02-2006, 11:47 PM
If Squall had bene interesting I might have been able to care about the story.

chris page
04-03-2006, 01:59 AM
honestly, this is one of my least favorite games. not just ff games. but GAMES, period. i loved the fuck out of 6,7, and 9. but this and X have pretty much robbed me of any ff love that i have left.

i hate squall, whiny ass bastard character. he's obnoxious, and i was glad when square got rid of the aloof main character model for 9 and X (although Tidus pissed me off mightily too, but that's a story for a different thread).

i share winter rose's hate of the card game, which always struck me as a gigantic waste of time. and since he explained that hate probably better than i ever will, i'll just direct you back to his post on that.

the summons i didn't really mind, because you could rack up some massive damage using the square button.

overall, the story for this one and X just left me wanting. i spent half the time being bored which is never a good thing for a game. at least 6,7, and 9 are interesting, and i'll probably play them as long as i have a working system that'll do it.

Mr. E!
04-03-2006, 02:04 AM
Never finished it. I got all my players up to lvl 100, and then figured "fuck it".

VII, however, was the best game I ever had on my PS1

chris page
04-03-2006, 02:13 AM
Never finished it. I got all my players up to lvl 100, and then figured "fuck it".

VII, however, was the best game I ever had on my PS1

i was just thinking that i needed to play this game again, i don't think i've played it since i beat it the first time back in '98.

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 03:14 AM
Chris Page has been marked as wrong about FFX.

pornbot2.5
04-03-2006, 03:16 AM
VII, IX and X and X-2 are all worth playing. 8 is just too much of a pain in the ass.
Yup, yup, yup, no, no. :D

Bradford
04-03-2006, 04:31 AM
But the beef with summoning is that the long animation is nice & pretty the first time, annoying as fuck the 5th time. Oy..

And the 50th?

the 500th?

The game sucks my friends.

SteveZegers
04-03-2006, 04:44 AM
I've liked them all well enough. My favorite was Final Fantasy Tactics. I've replayed that a bunch of times.

Georgie
04-03-2006, 05:26 AM
FFVIII is probably in my top 3 games of all time. I don't get why people don't like this game (card game aside). It was seriously fucking great.

Evan the Shaggy
04-03-2006, 05:35 AM
I wish I had beaten this game but that part in the mansion where they take away all your abilities and you have to beat hard as shit bosses to get them back is ridiculous.

You're going up against a major boss and you can't use magic, items, etc. All you can do is attack. Arg.

Allen Y
04-03-2006, 05:49 AM
First FF that I didn't finish, that should indicate how much I thought of it at the time. I'd like to go back to it one day though.

Allen Y
04-03-2006, 05:53 AM
Never finished it. I got all my players up to lvl 100, and then figured "fuck it".

VII, however, was the best game I ever had on my PS1
I've wanted to play VII again, but just thinking how dated the game is ends that thought.

Square-Enix needs to deliver a next-gen revamp for the 360.

Allen Y
04-03-2006, 05:55 AM
I've liked them all well enough. My favorite was Final Fantasy Tactics. I've replayed that a bunch of times.
One of my favorite games ever. It's between this and Xenogears for the best RPG of the last generation/decade.

Gregory
04-03-2006, 06:14 AM
I have my ex-wife's copies of FF VII and VIII. I have never played them, and sometimes I wonder about trying them.

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 06:16 AM
I've wanted to play VII again, but just thinking how dated the game is ends that thought.

Square-Enix needs to deliver a next-gen revamp for the 360.

It's not THAT dated. Way you're talking you make it sound like it's Oregon Trail. Then again, this is coming from someone who can still play Super Mario Bros and Zelda: Link to the Past with constant glee.

FF7 holds up well, expecially due to it's amazing story and fairly smooth battle system.

Allen Y
04-03-2006, 09:03 AM
It's not THAT dated. Way you're talking you make it sound like it's Oregon Trail. Then again, this is coming from someone who can still play Super Mario Bros and Zelda: Link to the Past with constant glee.

FF7 holds up well, expecially due to it's amazing story and fairly smooth battle system.
I think it's actually easier to play the older/2D games, as 2D holds up much better.

For example, Castlevania: SOTN would be easier to re-play than FF VII I would think.

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 09:12 AM
I think it's actually easier to play the older/2D games, as 2D holds up much better.

For example, Castlevania: SOTN would be easier to re-play than FF VII I would think.

I guess it depends on how important the graphics are to you're playing experience. FF7 looks blocky and rough compared to the newer games, but at the time it was considered revolutionary and if you play it for about 5-10 minutes, it stops bothering you as you get into the game and the story.

Just my two cents. I really need to replay SOTN sometime soon. That game's great, too. :)

Sheldo
04-03-2006, 09:17 AM
FFVIII is my favorite FF. The last time I beat it (I think I beat it 4 times) I had my gaurdians set up to where everyone had thier own personal ones, and everyone had all the abilities I wanted them to have. The Sorceress at the end of the game could only take 1 hit point from any of the characters with her strongest attack, but most of her attacks healed me.

A.Huerta
04-03-2006, 09:44 AM
I wish I had beaten this game but that part in the mansion where they take away all your abilities and you have to beat hard as shit bosses to get them back is ridiculous.

You're going up against a major boss and you can't use magic, items, etc. All you can do is attack. Arg.


I'm guessing u didnt beat the Weapons in FFVII?

Anyways, I play FFVII, XenoGears and FF Tactics every now and then and I think they're still playable without ruining your memories of them. Lot of rumors going around that FFVII will be remade for the PS3 and if that happens WITH MGS4... Sony will win again.

Petey Parker
04-03-2006, 09:53 AM
I got to the last disc on FFVIII and gave up. I didn't feel like spending the time fighting the bosses to regain all of my abilities

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 10:12 AM
I'm guessing u didnt beat the Weapons in FFVII?

Anyways, I play FFVII, XenoGears and FF Tactics every now and then and I think they're still playable without ruining your memories of them. Lot of rumors going around that FFVII will be remade for the PS3 and if that happens WITH MGS4... Sony will win again.

I don't think a redone FF VII would be PS3 exclusive. I'm pretty sure they'd release it on the 360 as well. That said, I think those rumors aren't true, but I'd love to be proven wrong. It's the only way you'd get me to buy any next next-gen system right now. Of course, I'd prefer a "true RPG sequel" to FF7 over a remake, although I am looking forward to Advent Children and Cry of the Cerebus (I think that's the name of the shooter with Vincent).

A.Huerta
04-03-2006, 10:21 AM
I've read it in a couple places but one of those Square people said " the series would arrive on the console(PS3) in "some form." I have no idea what that means but I'll take anything. I'm sure theyll add more story but that's pushing it. All just rumors tho :(

Dreg
04-03-2006, 10:28 AM
I quit because I saved in a bad place. I didn't have any good items or weapons near one of the last bosses, and I could leave to get more.

Other than the knowledge that Irvine was a cowboy, Sephie liked trains, and Squall made kissy with Rinoa, I don't remember much.

RebootedCorpse
04-03-2006, 10:48 AM
Seize the day, warrior!

YouStayClassy
04-03-2006, 11:27 AM
Final Fantasy VIII is probably my favorite game of all time. Yes, the story had some flaws but the ending MORE than made up for any of them. I also loved the junction system, thought it was the best RPG battle system until Shadow Hearts came along.

And, of course, the immortal Rinoa...
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/RaidenMGS4/rinoa.jpg

WAKKAJAWAKKA
04-03-2006, 11:38 AM
was more pain in the ass than experimental and cutting edge...

That Seems To Be The Trend For RPGs These Days. Like, They Perfected The System For A Great RPG A Few Years Ago, Now People Are Trying To Fuck It Up As Hard As they Can. They Just Throw Crap In Thats Different, To Spice Things Up, But Really It's Just Like You Said, A Pain In The Ass.

Wayno.

james michael
04-03-2006, 11:40 AM
i tried replaying it, but my discs are too scratched :(
im playing chrono trigger instead...

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 11:48 AM
i tried replaying it, but my discs are too scratched :(
im playing chrono trigger instead...

Wise decision. :)

james michael
04-03-2006, 11:54 AM
Wise decision. :)
ive beaten ct about a million times...
id rather play ffVIII

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 12:01 PM
ive beaten ct about a million times...
id rather play ffVIII

Chrono Trigger is a game worth playing a million times. FF8, not so much. Just my opinion. It's one of those games you either love or hate.

In any case, I'm too busy loving KH2 right now. :D

WinterRose
04-03-2006, 12:02 PM
I'm guessing u didnt beat the Weapons in FFVII?

Anyways, I play FFVII, XenoGears and FF Tactics every now and then and I think they're still playable without ruining your memories of them. Lot of rumors going around that FFVII will be remade for the PS3 and if that happens WITH MGS4... Sony will win again.

Ohhh I did the weapons. Frag me gently... 45 minute freaking battles.

Well... if Advent Children was any example, they have the advanced character models to work with for a FF7 re-do. It's certainly shown the continuing level of interest. Maya level graphics with an orchestral soundtrack instead of a Midi one? Yeah, I'd be all about that.

Only slightly less than I'd be all about a PS3 version of Parasite Eve 1 & 2.

EDIT: "If however they do not include a volume control for the soundtrack in game, you can leave me out. I'm not as hale and hearty with these games as I once was. I cannot go through the Chocobo Breeding process once again to the Hoedown Chocobo Theme and the Gold Saucer theme once again. It's not worth going to prison for when I have my psychotoic break."

james michael
04-03-2006, 12:06 PM
Chrono Trigger is a game worth playing a million times. FF8, not so much. Just my opinion. It's one of those games you either love or hate.

In any case, I'm too busy loving KH2 right now. :D
yeah, but i never got to finish ffVIII the first time due to the scratched discs...

tjtolosa
04-03-2006, 12:09 PM
Chalk me up as someone who loved FF8... I even liked the card game. I was totally engrossed in the story and almost cried at the ending. I would play this agian over FF7 any day just for the massively improved graphics and an ending that is worth working for. If they re-release FF7 with updated graphics and music and an improved ending though I will be all over that!

YouStayClassy
04-03-2006, 12:12 PM
Chalk me up as someone who loved FF8... I even liked the card game. I was totally engrossed in the story and almost cried at the ending. I would play this agian over FF7 any day just for the massively improved graphics and an ending that is worth working for. If they re-release FF7 with updated graphics and music and an improved ending though I will be all over that!

Ah shoot, I forgot to mention the card game and it's crack-level addictiveness. I distinctly remember throwing a controller against my wall and shattering it when I lost to Laguna for the 9 billionth time.

And I did cry a little at the ending. The part with Laguna and Raine.

tjtolosa
04-03-2006, 12:24 PM
Ah shoot, I forgot to mention the card game and it's crack-level addictiveness. I distinctly remember throwing a controller against my wall and shattering it when I lost to Laguna for the 9 billionth time.

And I did cry a little at the ending. The part with Laguna and Raine.
The card game did induce some controller throwing on my part, but I learned to save, save, save pretty quickly... and once I learned how to spread the different rules for the game in my favor it got much easier! I thought the game on FF9 was much more frustrating because of the random nature of the card battles... I much prefer knowing for sure that one card is going to beat another.

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 12:37 PM
And the 50th?

the 500th?

The game sucks my friends.

It's not the best from Square.

Now compare it to the best from almost anyone else at the time. Legend of Dragoon maybe?

WinterRose
04-03-2006, 12:47 PM
Oh so there's ANOTHER card game in FF9 that's even more frustrating? Gotcha. Making mental note. Avoid FF9.

Sometimes I wonder if all FF8 and FF9 were eventually good for were AMV's? There's one for Enigma's 'Gravity of Love' and Sarah Brightman's 'Deliver Me' for FF9 that kick my ass hard. There's a Sarah McLachlan one from FF8 that uses 'Silence' that's pretty good as well. Man... I wonder if Feanor's still making AMV's. There's a damn good editor...

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 12:49 PM
Oh so there's ANOTHER card game in FF9 that's even more frustrating? Gotcha. Making mental note. Avoid FF9.

Sometimes I wonder if all FF8 and FF9 were eventually good for were AMV's? There's one for Enigma's 'Gravity of Love' and Sarah Brightman's 'Deliver Me' for FF9 that kick my ass hard. There's a Sarah McLachlan one from FF8 that uses 'Silence' that's pretty good as well. Man... I wonder if Feanor's still making AMV's. There's a damn good editor...

The card game in FF9 isn't essential to the gameplay like FF8, though. In fact, you can go the whole game without playing a single card game. It's more of a side quest. I think they learned their lesson with FF8.

FF8 fans should definately check out the Kingdom Hearts games. I think you'd be happy with the cameos. :)

YouStayClassy
04-03-2006, 12:50 PM
The card game in FF9 isn't essential to the gameplay like FF8, though. In fact, you can go the whole game without playing a single card game. It's more of a side quest. I think they learned their lesson with FF8.

FF8 fans should definately check out the Kingdom Hearts games. I think you'd be happy with the cameos. :)

Squall is SO where it's at.

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 12:54 PM
Oh so there's ANOTHER card game in FF9 that's even more frustrating? Gotcha. Making mental note. Avoid FF9.



Fuck that. FF9 rocks, even if the card game is useless. Don;t be dissing it if you haven't even touched it. God, that fucking infuriates me.

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 12:55 PM
The card game in FF9 isn't essential to the gameplay like FF8, though. In fact, you can go the whole game without playing a single card game. It's more of a side quest. I think they learned their lesson with FF8.


Card stadium.

james michael
04-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Fuck that. FF9 rocks, even if the card game is useless. Don;t be dissing it if you haven't even touched it. God, that fucking infuriates me.
the card game isnt useless... you get some important shit in the card tournament...

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Squall is SO where it's at.

I like him more in KH then I do in FF8. :lol:

james michael
04-03-2006, 12:56 PM
oh, anbd blitzball sucks my ass...

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Card stadium.

Oh yeah, forgot about that one. I don't think it was a really hard battle though, was it?

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 12:59 PM
Oh yeah, forgot about that one. I don't think it was a really hard battle though, was it?

No. You just had to remember to take a break and go to Dali.

xyzzy
04-03-2006, 01:00 PM
Fuck that. FF9 rocks, even if the card game is useless. Don;t be dissing it if you haven't even touched it. God, that fucking infuriates me.

I played it for a few hours. It was boring.

YouStayClassy
04-03-2006, 01:01 PM
I like him more in KH then I do in FF8. :lol:

Do you happen to know if Boreanz voices him in KH2 as well?

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 01:03 PM
Do you happen to know if Boreanz voices him in KH2 as well?

No, I don't think so. Still, the replacement they got isn't too bad (but not as badass as Boreanz, unfortunately).

Still, Squall isn't the only awesome cameo in KH2 from FF8. :)

Sheldo
04-03-2006, 01:03 PM
This thread is now officially making me want to bust out with FF8 and play it again. Gonna have to dig through some boxes in the closet to find it when I get home.

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 01:03 PM
I played it for a few hours. It was boring.

You're wrong, but I respect, well, no, but I'll listen to your wrong opinion.:D

Ziolko
04-03-2006, 01:09 PM
I played it for a few hours. It was boring.

I'm just curious, but what did you find boring about it? Was it too "old school" for your tastes? Story not interesting enough? Just curious, as I was a big fan of it, especially after not having a good experience with 8.

WinterRose
04-03-2006, 01:32 PM
Oh I mean to play KH 1 & 2 someday. In spite of the disney cuteseyness, there's just too much going for it. Hikari Uteda, that kid from AI that should have been young Anakin, Halloween Land. And now a TRON land in KH2?

There's lots of Square awaiting my pleasure when I finally manage to GET a PS2. Someday... Some day.... Of course now I'm cruising for AMV's. I should have realized people would be making AMV's to Advent Children by now.

And as far as FF9 goes... You gotta understand. A). I tend usually to NOT diss stuff I've not seen. and B). I am an adventure game complete-ist. Once I get going, I have to do EVERYTHING. I have to get EVERYTHING. If there is indeed important stuff in FF9 that you can only get through the card game, then that's too bad. I'm not gonna put myself through that.

I don't get the logic in forcing your players to do something obnoxious to get ahead in your game. With mmorgs, I understand. Time Sink = Increased Revenue. But in a standalone game, you'd think you would want to AVOID doing something like inflicting chocobo breeding or gotta collect em all card games or whatever the latest game or videogame fad in Japan is on your players. If you're THAT interested in a fad, release a standalone game based on that. Don't stick it in the RPG I'm trying to get through that I bought INSTEAD of some Yu-Gi-Oh or Pokemon based card game.

If I'm doing Final Fantasy, I am not a friend making heart of the cards playing animal collecting duel card/monster trainer. I have Monster Rancher for that. Nonono. If I'm doing Final Fantasy, I'm doing it cos I want quest, meet interesting people, see wondrous magicks, incredible tech, see where Cid, Wedge and Biggs show up, have fun with the in-game references to other stuff Square's released, and generally enjoy what is usually a well written plot on my way to saving the kingdom and or the world around it.

If I wanna play a childish card game too, I can skip Final Fantasy altogether and hang out in a comic store on a saturday morning. I'm reasonably sure the level of frustration in the card games in FF8 and FF9 are equivalent to some 8 year old with an advanced tackle box full of carefully sorted Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh card decks kicking my ass after getting a booster or a starter right off the counter.

xyzzy
04-03-2006, 01:35 PM
I'm just curious, but what did you find boring about it? Was it too "old school" for your tastes? Story not interesting enough? Just curious, as I was a big fan of it, especially after not having a good experience with 8.

It was quite a while ago, so I don't really remember. There was just nothing pulling me through the story and the advancement/combat system was just average. I didn't finish 10, either. It may be that I went through a period where I just wasn't that interested in RPGs any more. I'm loving Shadow Hearts: Covenant, though.

A.Huerta
04-03-2006, 01:51 PM
I have no idea but I didnt like IX either, it just didnt do anything for me. X was pretty boring in the first half and I was about to drop it but then it picked up and I actually liked it. The story was shit but the graphics/side quests were worth it.

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 02:09 PM
I have no idea but I didnt like IX either, it just didnt do anything for me. X was pretty boring in the first half and I was about to drop it but then it picked up and I actually liked it. The story was shit but the graphics/side quests were worth it.

No taste at all. The story was fabulous. Exactly what did you want, another good guy beats up bad good guy wins girl lives happily ever after tale? I don't get it.

And Winter, there is only one instance where the card game must be played and it occurs during the main meat of the storyline. The cards you get aren't anything but cards.

james michael
04-03-2006, 02:14 PM
No taste at all. The story was fabulous. Exactly what did you want, another good guy beats up bad good guy wins girl lives happily ever after tale? I don't get it.
you didnt like te ending to chrono cross, so you have no room to speak of taste...
speaking of which, chrono cross' story kicked major ass... good guy switches bodies with bad guy, who then kills good guy he thought was bad guy, only to have to then kill real bad guy, who actually is comprised of a good guy from the first game...

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 02:15 PM
you didnt like te ending to chrono cross, so you have no room to speak of taste...
speaking of which, chrono cross' story kicked major ass... good guy switches bodies with bad guy, who then kills good guy he thought was bad guy, only to have to then kill real bad guy, who actually is comprised of a good guy from the first game...

To suggest I didn't like anything about Chrono Cross you are thinking of the wrong person. I said the ending you get just for going through the game once was pretty minimal, but that is to be expected.

WinterRose
04-03-2006, 02:22 PM
And Winter, there is only one instance where the card game must be played and it occurs during the main meat of the storyline. The cards you get aren't anything but cards.

Then I shall reconsider... The cutesy character shift kinda put me off. It seemed a game aimed at the FF purists from the 8 and 16 bit system days. I understand the mindset. A good friend of mine is something of a sprite artist for games like that. It was the 3d and ginchy graphics of 7 and 8 that drew me to the series tho. Got my PS1 with a copy of 7 the day it came out.

xyzzy
04-03-2006, 02:26 PM
No taste at all. The story was fabulous. Exactly what did you want, another good guy beats up bad good guy wins girl lives happily ever after tale? I don't get it.

I have no idea what happened later in the story, but in the opening, they were just annoying.

And I appreciate old school. I played through FF1 on my NES when it came out. I played through Ultimas I-III on my Atari 800. FF9 just didn't hook me.

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 02:26 PM
I have no idea what happened later in the story, but in the opening, they were just annoying.



Such nonsense as befits an accountant person. :roll:

;)

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 02:28 PM
Then I shall reconsider... The cutesy character shift kinda put me off. It seemed a game aimed at the FF purists from the 8 and 16 bit system days. I understand the mindset. A good friend of mine is something of a sprite artist for games like that. It was the 3d and ginchy graphics of 7 and 8 that drew me to the series tho. Got my PS1 with a copy of 7 the day it came out.

See, I'm one of those old school people. FF6 is hands down the greatest RPG ever made and on this God came to me in an herbal tea and organic food-induced hallucination one night and said "And there shall be no debate". :)

james michael
04-03-2006, 02:28 PM
To suggest I didn't like anything about Chrono Cross you are thinking of the wrong person. I said the ending you get just for going through the game once was pretty minimal, but that is to be expected.
did you use the chrono trigger?
if you just killed lavos, then you get he worst ending...
use the ono triger to save schala, and you get the best ending...

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 02:29 PM
did you use the chrono trigger?
if you just killed lavos, then you get he worst ending...
use the ono triger to save schala, and you get the best ending...

I did do both but I don't remember the good ending.

A.Huerta
04-03-2006, 02:36 PM
No taste at all. The story was fabulous. Exactly what did you want, another good guy beats up bad good guy wins girl lives happily ever after tale? I don't get it.

And Winter, there is only one instance where the card game must be played and it occurs during the main meat of the storyline. The cards you get aren't anything but cards.


I just didnt like the world/characters. I wouldnt consider FFVII all happy since it was pretty much anti fantasy, Aeris died and Cloud ends up being a failed clone of Sephiroth. Some fucked up shit in that game.

xyzzy
04-03-2006, 02:42 PM
See, I'm one of those old school people. FF6 is hands down the greatest RPG ever made and on this God came to me in an herbal tea and organic food-induced hallucination one night and said "And there shall be no debate". :)

FF6 is another game where I don't understand why it is so popular. I mean, it's no Fallout or Planescape: Torment.

Foolish Mortal
04-03-2006, 02:51 PM
See, I'm one of those old school people. FF6 is hands down the greatest RPG ever made and on this God came to me in an herbal tea and organic food-induced hallucination one night and said "And there shall be no debate".

Character-wise and story-wise, I agree. FF6 has the best cast of characters and story for any RPG I have ever played.

Gameplay-wise, I felt it had a few problems. The fact that you can exchange the Espers with anyone and anyone could use them kinda took away from the individuality of each character. I would have liked it better if only certain party members could use Espers, and then beef up the specialties of the other characters to make them more powerful.

I thought FF7 had the same problem.


I just didnt like the world/characters. I wouldnt consider FFVII all happy since it was pretty much anti fantasy, Aeris died and Cloud ends up being a failed clone of Sephiroth. Some fucked up shit in that game.

Well everyone pretty much accepted Aeris' death by the end. And Cloud did get a chance to open a can of whoop-ass on Sephiroth at the very end.

And Cloud ends up with Tifa. Nothing bad about that! :)

VKValentine
04-03-2006, 02:57 PM
Ahhh.. Taking a break from KHII to post in this thread.

Something about FFVIII just rubs me the right way. I love all the characters, the art direction, the leveling system, everything. I have a few problems with the story, I.E. How late in the game Ultimecia is introduced (whom is still introduced before Zeromus, and WAY before fucking Necron. I mean, who the fuck is NECRON?!), and that you REALLY have to listen very closely and talk to everyone over and over to figure out just what the fuck the Lunatic Pandora was. I like taking the No-level/Power-up Guide (http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_viii_powerup.txt) and the Card Game Walkthrough (http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/final_fantasy_viii_cards_d.txt) from GameFAQs and play through it, being totally undefeatable 5 minutes into the game, and ending up castrating every "good" card player in the game. :)

FF7 is great. Blew me away and I still contantly have a game going for when I'm bored. It (obviously) had a impact on me.

FF9, not so much. I cannot place my finger on why I don't like it a whole lot. I love the Design, the battles are fun, the characters are great, etc. Maybe since the ending was so crap. I dunno. Just didn't click with me.

I love all three SNES FFs. Love 'em. FF6 was way too easy though. Kefka and the music and the characters make up for it.

Chrono Trigger is awesome. Chrono Cross is awesome too.

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 04:08 PM
FF6 is another game where I don't understand why it is so popular. I mean, it's no Fallout or Planescape: Torment.

Fallout. Right. I don't need to pay attention to you anymore.:twisted:

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 04:10 PM
I just didnt like the world/characters. I wouldnt consider FFVII all happy since it was pretty much anti fantasy, Aeris died and Cloud ends up being a failed clone of Sephiroth. Some fucked up shit in that game.

1. It doesn;t have to be dark to be good. Comics are also laboring under this misinformation right now.

2. Zidane was a far darker character than Cloud. Far. And yes, I know what I'm saying, yes, I can back it up, and no, I haven't lost my mind further.:D

xyzzy
04-03-2006, 04:10 PM
Fallout. Right. I don't need to pay attention to you anymore.:twisted:

Do you seriously not like Fallout? It's easily in my top 5 of all time RPGs.

A.Huerta
04-03-2006, 07:06 PM
1. It doesn;t have to be dark to be good. Comics are also laboring under this misinformation right now.

2. Zidane was a far darker character than Cloud. Far. And yes, I know what I'm saying, yes, I can back it up, and no, I haven't lost my mind further.:D


FFVII was my first FF game, so it is the best FF IMO.

Randomus
04-03-2006, 07:16 PM
I liked Laguna, Wade and What's-His-Face.

That was about it, but it wasn't the worst game ever or anything.

Angel of Distraction
04-03-2006, 08:07 PM
Do you seriously not like Fallout? It's easily in my top 5 of all time RPGs.

haven't actually played it, just giving you a hard time.

St.-
04-03-2006, 08:44 PM
FF VIII huh? I got so frustrated cause I didn't know what I was supposed to do that I borrowed someones insanely crazy leveled memory card and beat the game so I could see how it ended. I really want to like this game but I need a stragety guide with pictures and arrows to play it. Love the summons in this game.

Justin.Strange
04-03-2006, 10:50 PM
I'm trying very hard to forget what I already know about this game and approach this with a clean mind.

But another thing I was quickly reminded that pisses me off this game are all the goddamned forced tutorials. You've had to talk and sit through storyline. You're anxious and about to go on the battlefield. And what happens? Quistis pulls you aside for yet another 5 minute talk about junctioning! Christ!

Well today I pretty much sat through the aftermath of passing the SeeD field exam.

At this point in the game the only character worth anything is Squall. Hes the only remotely interesting person, the strongest, and the fastest. Magically who cares since the spells are so weak at this point..

Zell annoys me. Selphie is completely forgetable. Seifer shows promise. Quistis's sob story about her no longer being an instructor did nothing for me. What exactly is her character and why should I care about her? She looks like Stacy Keibler, uses a whip, and thats kinda hot I suppose..

Well anyways, I just got my assignment to assist the rebel faction at Timber. I saved and turned it off as I left HQ.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 07:33 AM
I'm trying very hard to forget what I already know about this game and approach this with a clean mind.

But another thing I was quickly reminded that pisses me off this game are all the goddamned forced tutorials. You've had to talk and sit through storyline. You're anxious and about to go on the battlefield. And what happens? Quistis pulls you aside for yet another 5 minute talk about junctioning! Christ!

Well today I pretty much sat through the aftermath of passing the SeeD field exam.

At this point in the game the only character worth anything is Squall. Hes the only remotely interesting person, the strongest, and the fastest. Magically who cares since the spells are so weak at this point..

Zell annoys me. Selphie is completely forgetable. Seifer shows promise. Quistis's sob story about her no longer being an instructor did nothing for me. What exactly is her character and why should I care about her? She looks like Stacy Keibler, uses a whip, and thats kinda hot I suppose..

Well anyways, I just got my assignment to assist the rebel faction at Timber. I saved and turned it off as I left HQ.

Ugh, Squall is horrible. Whiny brat who can't grow up. He's the worst thing about the entire game. The others have no personality but at least they aren't annoying.

FF8 good things do, in number, outweigh the bad, but the bad things are more damaging.

Good:
Draw and junction system. One of my favorite systems for that kind of thing ever, actually.
The card game. Addictive as Hell when you find all the things you can make.
The visuals. I'm still impressed by their ability to make the world both more realistic and extremely appealing.
The Laguna storyline. I snoozed through the main plot just to get back to that.

Bad:
The main cast was annoying to uninteresting. The entire basis behind them, their big reveal, was aggravatingly simple and felt like a throwaway answer.
The battles became stacked in your favor very quickly if you knew at all what you were doing.
The main plotline was uninteresting.
The villain was not threatening. She didn;t even show up until the final battle!

Ziolko
04-04-2006, 07:39 AM
It was quite a while ago, so I don't really remember. There was just nothing pulling me through the story and the advancement/combat system was just average. I didn't finish 10, either. It may be that I went through a period where I just wasn't that interested in RPGs any more. I'm loving Shadow Hearts: Covenant, though.

To be honest, I've had problems getting through 10 myself. I'm at the very end and for some reason I just can't bring myself to beat it. I enjoyed playing the game, but it just kind of loses me at the end.

FF9 reminded me of FF4 and 6, which were the games that got me into console RPGs in the first place, so I guess there was a bit of a nostolgia involved in that. I mean to try out Shadow Hearts sometime, though I hear I should play Dragon Quest VIII first.

Hate_Prime
04-04-2006, 08:00 AM
For those who have only played pansy-ass japanese console rpgs, you're opinions are null and void.

Good day!




I said GOOD DAY!

xyzzy
04-04-2006, 08:33 AM
To be honest, I've had problems getting through 10 myself. I'm at the very end and for some reason I just can't bring myself to beat it. I enjoyed playing the game, but it just kind of loses me at the end.

FF9 reminded me of FF4 and 6, which were the games that got me into console RPGs in the first place, so I guess there was a bit of a nostolgia involved in that. I mean to try out Shadow Hearts sometime, though I hear I should play Dragon Quest VIII first.

The visuals of DQ are kind of a turn off for me, though it's still on the list. I really recommend Shadow Hearts for the veteran RPG player. It's got a great quirky sense of humor and doesn't take itself too seriously, unlike most of the melodramatic whine fests that have come out recently.

I cut my RPG teeth on games like Bard's Tale, Might & Magic and Ultima. I played through FFI when it came around and it was enjoyable, but I skipped the SNES platform all together. So I don't really have any nostalgia for the early FF games.

Ziolko
04-04-2006, 09:51 AM
The visuals of DQ are kind of a turn off for me, though it's still on the list. I really recommend Shadow Hearts for the veteran RPG player. It's got a great quirky sense of humor and doesn't take itself too seriously, unlike most of the melodramatic whine fests that have come out recently.

I cut my RPG teeth on games like Bard's Tale, Might & Magic and Ultima. I played through FFI when it came around and it was enjoyable, but I skipped the SNES platform all together. So I don't really have any nostalgia for the early FF games.

I played the original Bard's Tale too, but I was there for the SNES explosion with FF2, 3 (4 and 6 respectively in Japan), Breath of Fire 1 and 2, Secret of Mana...hell, I even got through Arcana somehow. I think I was into the FF series because it was more of an interactive movie...the story is what drew me into those games. Bard's Tale was fun but it didn't have the story to hook me the way FF did at the time.

So yeah, we're coming from two different places in regards to RPGs. :)

P.S. I like the visuals on DQ. I feel that sometimes more cartoony graphics are more appealing because the flaws are less obvious than a game going for a more realistic style. I also hear the gameplay is fantastic, and that it's taking most players 80+ hours to beat!

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 09:55 AM
I played the original Bard's Tale too, but I was there for the SNES explosion with FF2, 3 (4 and 6 respectively in Japan), Breath of Fire 1 and 2, Secret of Mana...hell, I even got through Arcana somehow. I think I was into the FF series because it was more of an interactive movie...the story is what drew me into those games. Bard's Tale was fun but it didn't have the story to hook me the way FF did at the time.

So yeah, we're coming from two different places in regards to RPGs. :)

I also grew up with Bard's Tale and Ultima and loved them to death. Then I got into Nintendo and played Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior, thought they were both okay but paled in comparison to my beloved PC games. THEN FF2 for SNES came out and my world changed forever. Not only did that game blow away the PC games, it pretty much blew away every fantasy game and movie I'd ever seen. Years later and a massive Final Fantasy obsession later, I've never once looked back at those old school PC type of games.

Ziolko
04-04-2006, 09:58 AM
I also grew up with Bard's Tale and Ultima and loved them to death. Then I got into Nintendo and played Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior, thought they were both okay but paled in comparison to my beloved PC games. THEN FF2 for SNES came out and my world changed forever. Not only did that game blow away the PC games, it pretty much blew away every fantasy game and movie I'd ever seen. Years later and a massive Final Fantasy obsession later, I've never once looked back at those old school PC type of games.

Yeah, FF2 is the one that did it for me as well. I can still list off most the playable characters:

Cecil
Kane
Rosa
Rydia
Edward
Tellah
Yang
Cid
Edge
Pollom
Porom
FuSoYa (sp? This is why I said most and not all)

Great game, story and characters. I played it again recently (FF Chronicles) and loved it just as much, even with the revamped dialogue.

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 10:01 AM
Great game, story and characters. I played it again recently (FF Chronicles) and loved it just as much, even with the revamped dialogue.

As much as I'm a fan of hokey old school dialogue (FF2, Resident Evil), the new script in Chronicles was much needed.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 11:25 AM
though I hear I should play Dragon Quest VIII first.

Only if you have a lot of patience for a game you've played a thousand times with nothing to set it apart from the pack aside from an entertaining cast.

Ziolko
04-04-2006, 11:32 AM
As much as I'm a fan of hokey old school dialogue (FF2, Resident Evil), the new script in Chronicles was much needed.

Agreed.


Only if you have a lot of patience for a game you've played a thousand times with nothing to set it apart from the pack aside from an entertaining cast.

Did you miss the part where I said I made it through Arcana? :)

It just looks like a neat game, and I really seriously haven't played any DQ/DW games since Dragon Warrior 2 a long long time ago.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 11:35 AM
Vot is zis Arcana of vich you speak?

james michael
04-04-2006, 11:36 AM
Vot is zis Arcana of vich you speak?
old snes game... i couldnt even play it...

xyzzy
04-04-2006, 11:37 AM
I played the original Bard's Tale too, but I was there for the SNES explosion with FF2, 3 (4 and 6 respectively in Japan), Breath of Fire 1 and 2, Secret of Mana...hell, I even got through Arcana somehow. I think I was into the FF series because it was more of an interactive movie...the story is what drew me into those games. Bard's Tale was fun but it didn't have the story to hook me the way FF did at the time.

So yeah, we're coming from two different places in regards to RPGs. :)

P.S. I like the visuals on DQ. I feel that sometimes more cartoony graphics are more appealing because the flaws are less obvious than a game going for a more realistic style. I also hear the gameplay is fantastic, and that it's taking most players 80+ hours to beat!

Well, I'm playing through FFIV (I guess that's II in the US) on my DS, so we'll see how it holds up. I'm only about 20 minutes into it, so far.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 11:39 AM
I would like to note that the visuals on DQ8 WERE a high point. However, Level 5 made a much much much better game in Dark Cloud 2. I recommend tracking that down instead.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 11:40 AM
Well, I'm playing through FFIV (I guess that's II in the US) on my DS, so we'll see how it holds up. I'm only about 20 minutes into it, so far.

That's 3 in the US.

Ziolko
04-04-2006, 11:43 AM
That's 3 in the US.

No, he's right. It's 2. VI was 3 in the US.

I hope you enjoy playing it. The story really gets going early, especially the early stuff with Cecil. Later the other characters kind of take the spotlight, but Cecil's story is the one that hooked me.

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 11:44 AM
No, he's right. It's 2. VI was 3 in the US.



I love when this argument breaks out. My all time favorite was a friend trying to convince me Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was officially Final Fantasy 5.:lol:

Ziolko
04-04-2006, 11:45 AM
old snes game... i couldnt even play it...

Yep, it wasn't that great, but I played it for the sake of playing it. It was basically a game about a card magician before Yu-Gi-Oh. Horrible, repetitive gameplay. I have no clue how or why I ended up beating it.

Hey, while we're on SNES, show of hands of people who liked FF Mystic Quest? C'moan, I know I'm not alone...

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 11:46 AM
Hey, while we're on SNES, show of hands of people who liked FF Mystic Quest? C'moan, I know I'm not alone...

Heh, funny how we mentioned that at the same time.

Mystic Quest had some incredible music. Other than that....it's best left forgotten like the CD-i Zelda games.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 11:46 AM
No, he's right. It's 2. VI was 3 in the US.

I hope you enjoy playing it. The story really gets going early, especially the early stuff with Cecil. Later the other characters kind of take the spotlight, but Cecil's story is the one that hooked me.

Oh. I'm confuddled on my numbers.

#2 actually ranks just above eight for me. I don't want to say second-worst, because comparing Final Fantasies is like comparing fine chocolate. But I didn't enjoy it as much as I did the other old school entries. The constantly changing cast meant that oftentimes your hard work leveling wouldn't help you an hour later, and your main character turned into a weakling halfway through. However, I played the extremely challenging Japanese version on the PS1. So that might be part of the headache. The Japanese can whine all they want about American RPGers being pussies, but I have a strong feeling about games where the narrative is the reward, which is that I should not have to level up for one to three hours every single time I want to make a tiny advancement in the plot.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 11:47 AM
I love when this argument breaks out. My all time favorite was a friend trying to convince me Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was officially Final Fantasy 5.:lol:

The official Final Fantasy 5 was easily the second best of the classic old school FFs.

A.Huerta
04-04-2006, 11:48 AM
SNES RPGs for me was just Chrono Trigger. Dont know if SoE, Gaia and Zelda count?

Ziolko
04-04-2006, 11:49 AM
I love when this argument breaks out. My all time favorite was a friend trying to convince me Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was officially Final Fantasy 5.:lol:

It's pretty easy to get them mixed up, especially thanks to the SNES renumbering. I remember when they announced 7 and I was like "Wait, there's 3 other FF games I haven't yet played?"

Ziolko
04-04-2006, 11:50 AM
SNES RPGs for me was just Chrono Trigger. Dont know if SoE, Gaia and Zelda count?

That's an arguement I want no part of. The definition of an console RPG is so sketchy in the first place.

I will like to note that Super Mario RPG was also especially awesome.

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 11:51 AM
The official Final Fantasy 5 was easily the second best of the classic old school FFs.

Krile Baldesion in the house!
http://ffonline.com/1_ff5cl/cara.gif

Ziolko
04-04-2006, 11:51 AM
Heh, funny how we mentioned that at the same time.

Mystic Quest had some incredible music. Other than that....it's best left forgotten like the CD-i Zelda games.

I liked it. It was fun. Wasn't the "Beginner's RPG" Square was going for, but it was fun nonetheless. And yes, the music did rock.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 11:51 AM
SNES RPGs for me was just Chrono Trigger. Dont know if SoE, Gaia and Zelda count?

No Mario RPG? Heathen.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 11:51 AM
I liked it. It was fun. Wasn't the "Beginner's RPG" Square was going for, but it was fun nonetheless. And yes, the music did rock.

It was most certainly a beginner's RPG. I beat it before I realized it was over.:)

james michael
04-04-2006, 12:01 PM
Yep, it wasn't that great, but I played it for the sake of playing it. It was basically a game about a card magician before Yu-Gi-Oh. Horrible, repetitive gameplay. I have no clue how or why I ended up beating it.

Hey, while we're on SNES, show of hands of people who liked FF Mystic Quest? C'moan, I know I'm not alone...
mystic quest was a beginners rpg, and by the time i saw it, i had already played ff IV and VI, so it was way too simple for me...

james michael
04-04-2006, 12:03 PM
Krile Baldesion in the house!
http://ffonline.com/1_ff5cl/cara.gif
she made ff V and estrogen fest...

WinterRose
04-04-2006, 02:58 PM
I liked Crystalis on the 8 bit. And did Secret of Mana, C.Trigger and Shadowrun on the 16. I actually did none of the 16 bit F.Fantasies, and am pretty much okay with it.

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 03:23 PM
I liked Crystalis on the 8 bit. And did Secret of Mana, C.Trigger and Shadowrun on the 16. I actually did none of the 16 bit F.Fantasies, and am pretty much okay with it.

Chyrsalis had an amazing storyline for the time. Man, we get all these Namco Museum and Capcom Collection games, where the hell are the 8bit and 16bit RPG collections?

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 03:26 PM
Chyrsalis had an amazing storyline for the time. Man, we get all these Namco Museum and Capcom Collection games, where the hell are the 8bit and 16bit RPG collections?

They are not here because everyone thinks if they are going to spend significant time with a game and not just have a quick shooter, graphics are the most important bit.

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 03:32 PM
They are not here because everyone thinks if they are going to spend significant time with a game and not just have a quick shooter, graphics are the most important bit.

Yeah, but look at all the Nippon Ichi titles. The graphics are all complete crap and they sell very decent numbers for such niche titles.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 03:39 PM
Yeah, but look at all the Nippon Ichi titles. The graphics are all complete crap and they sell very decent numbers for such niche titles.

Remind me which ones those are again. Is that Disgaea?

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 03:40 PM
Remind me which ones those are again. Is that Disgaea?

Yeah, Disgaea, La Pucelle Tactics, Phantom Brave, Makai Kingdom, and the upcoming Disgaea 2.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 03:41 PM
Yeah, Disgaea, La Pucelle Tactics, Phantom Brave, Makai Kingdom, and the upcoming Disgaea 2.

I couldn't keep up with FF tactics so I haven't played those.

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 03:43 PM
I couldn't keep up with FF tactics so I haven't played those.

Some of the hardest games I've ever played. They all make FF Tactics look like Mystic Quest. Beating Phantom Brave in particular should automatically qualify as college credit or something.

A.Huerta
04-04-2006, 03:45 PM
FF Tactics was like crack.

Dont forget Tactics Ogre.

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 03:47 PM
Dont forget Tactics Ogre.

I've never played it.... :Oops:

xyzzy
04-04-2006, 03:48 PM
I didn't like the micromanagement aspect of Tactics. Plus, sometimes it seemed like an exercise in leveling up. Vandal Hearts has yet to be surpassed, in my mind. Unless you consider X-Com to be a stratRPG.

A.Huerta
04-04-2006, 03:48 PM
I've never played it.... :Oops:


It was tough and the fights took forever. The levels were about 2 to 3 times bigger than FF tactics. If you have the patience, its cool.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 03:52 PM
I didn't like the micromanagement aspect of Tactics. Plus, sometimes it seemed like an exercise in leveling up. Vandal Hearts has yet to be surpassed, in my mind. Unless you consider X-Com to be a stratRPG.

My experience with tactics was similar in a way to my experience with DQ8. Yet another game where the narrative is the reward yet for some reason you have to level up forever and a day to get to it.

xyzzy
04-04-2006, 03:53 PM
My experience with tactics was similar in a way to my experience with DQ8. Yet another game where the narrative is the reward yet for some reason you have to level up forever and a day to get to it.

Have you played Indigo Prophecy? It seems right up your alley.

Angel of Distraction
04-04-2006, 03:56 PM
Have you played Indigo Prophecy? It seems right up your alley.

I've heard I should, but man money is tight.

YouStayClassy
04-04-2006, 03:58 PM
Have you played Indigo Prophecy? It seems right up your alley.

I bought that game the day it came out and haven't even opened it. I'm dying to place it, it sounds like an old school Sierra game which is right up my alley.

Justin.Strange
04-22-2006, 06:57 PM
When we last left our adventure...

Seifer failed the test and threw a minor bitchfit when he was told that "he's a joke and will never be a SeeD." Squall, Zell, & Selphie however did pass the test and were now full members of SeeD. Squall briefly meets Rinoa at the dance. Quistis is demoted from her position as Instructor. And finally, Squall, Zell, & Selphie are given their first mission; to assist the rebel faction "The Forest Owls" at Timber....

So what was the first thing I tried to do? Headmaster Cid handed me a "magic lamp" but warned me to beware it. So naturally I use it so I can get Diablos on my team. What happens? I get my ass kicked. Four times. In a row. Fuck you and your gravity magic/strong attack combos killing my healer (Selphie) and Squall immediately, leaving me defenseless with Zell you fucking fuck!

So obviously I shall level up, get better magic(since all I have are low level basic elemental and defense spells), and kick his demonic ass like my name was muthafuckin Jesus... :: pops collar ::

So after conceding defeat, I got on the train and read some weird dialogue about how Selphie loves trains at which point I giggled like a complete pervert while saying "heh. She likes trains" at which point my friend with his infinite wisdom proclaims "goddamned. You're a complete loser"

Allasudden the Squall and his team fall into this trance and fall asleep. Next thing I know, I'm in the jungle running from the army controlling this cat named Laguna and his crew. Laguna says a few things I don’t really remember as we fight a few random battles in the jungle.

I don’t like Laguna so far. He's annoying and bland. But I'm starting to realize that’s more of the translation's fault. And not just for Laguna, but for everyone. I think with the shitstorm FF7 caused with its swearing and mature themes, Square went extremely out of their way to make FF8 "safe" to please the ultra conservative American parents and thus resulted with extremely bad dialogue. I'd love to see the original script untainted because these characters show potential.

Eventually Laguna's crew ends up in Deling City at the bar. They have a few drinks and Julia's show starts. Laguna obviously digs her yet is afraid of her. He's all nervous when they actually talk. Blah. Really didn’t care. What is the point of all this? Was Laguna was supposed to come off as the "lovable loser", cause it failed. I can’t find myself caring for him or his crew or Julia.

I got bored halfway through Laguna and Julia's talk in the hotel room and turned it off. A week or so later, I try again and make it through the scene. God, that was so boring...

The screen turns its attention back to the train with Squall and them. They wake up and try to make since of what the fuck just happened. There’s no time because they just arrived to Timber and their first mission.

I'm re-introduced to Rinoa and her crew of Forest Owls. Zone grabs his stomach and freaks out, over and over and over again. God, he’s such a pussy... We go over Rinoa's nefarious master plan; we shall kidnap the president! Muwahahaha! :: does shifty eyes and Dr. Evil pinky finger thing ::

I saved my progress and turned it off just as we're about to hijack the train...

Foolish Mortal
04-22-2006, 08:04 PM
When we last left our adventure...

Seifer failed the test and threw a minor bitchfit when he was told that "he's a joke and will never be a SeeD." Squall, Zell, & Selphie however did pass the test and were now full members of SeeD. Squall briefly meets Rinoa at the dance. Quistis is demoted from her position as Instructor. And finally, Squall, Zell, & Selphie are given their first mission; to assist the rebel faction "The Forest Owls" at Timber....

So what was the first thing I tried to do? Headmaster Cid handed me a "magic lamp" but warned me to beware it. So naturally I use it so I can get Diablos on my team. What happens? I get my ass kicked. Four times. In a row. Fuck you and your gravity magic/strong attack combos killing my healer (Selphie) and Squall immediately, leaving me defenseless with Zell you fucking fuck!

:lol: I could have saved you the trouble and told you not to try to get Diablos so early. He'll just keep bitchslapping you at that stage in the game.


So obviously I shall level up, get better magic(since all I have are low level basic elemental and defense spells), and kick his demonic ass like my name was muthafuckin Jesus... :: pops collar ::

So after conceding defeat, I got on the train and read some weird dialogue about how Selphie loves trains at which point I giggled like a complete pervert while saying "heh. She likes trains" at which point my friend with his infinite wisdom proclaims "goddamned. You're a complete loser"

Allasudden the Squall and his team fall into this trance and fall asleep. Next thing I know, I'm in the jungle running from the army controlling this cat named Laguna and his crew. Laguna says a few things I don’t really remember as we fight a few random battles in the jungle.

I don’t like Laguna so far. He's annoying and bland. But I'm starting to realize that’s more of the translation's fault. And not just for Laguna, but for everyone. I think with the shitstorm FF7 caused with its swearing and mature themes, Square went extremely out of their way to make FF8 "safe" to please the ultra conservative American parents and thus resulted with extremely bad dialogue. I'd love to see the original script untainted because these characters show potential.

Eventually Laguna's crew ends up in Deling City at the bar. They have a few drinks and Julia's show starts. Laguna obviously digs her yet is afraid of her. He's all nervous when they actually talk. Blah. Really didn’t care. What is the point of all this? Was Laguna was supposed to come off as the "lovable loser", cause it failed. I can’t find myself caring for him or his crew or Julia.

I got bored halfway through Laguna and Julia's talk in the hotel room and turned it off. A week or so later, I try again and make it through the scene. God, that was so boring...

The screen turns its attention back to the train with Squall and them. They wake up and try to make since of what the fuck just happened. There’s no time because they just arrived to Timber and their first mission.

I'm re-introduced to Rinoa and her crew of Forest Owls. Zone grabs his stomach and freaks out, over and over and over again. God, he’s such a pussy... We go over Rinoa's nefarious master plan; we shall kidnap the president! Muwahahaha! :: does shifty eyes and Dr. Evil pinky finger thing ::

I saved my progress and turned it off just as we're about to hijack the train...

I know Laguna's story doesn't seem to have a lot to do with Squall's, but be patient. The pieces will all eventually come together.

Angel of Distraction
04-22-2006, 11:19 PM
:lol: I could have saved you the trouble and told you not to try to get Diablos so early. He'll just keep bitchslapping you at that stage in the game.



I know Laguna's story doesn't seem to have a lot to do with Squall's, but be patient. The pieces will all eventually come together.

Laguna was the only good thing about that story.

VKValentine
04-23-2006, 01:21 PM
Why are you leveling up?! The bad guys level up WITH YOU! Draw better magic, refine your cards and kill all monsters with the Card ability. You don't get Exp, but you do get AP.

YouStayClassy
04-23-2006, 01:23 PM
Why are you leveling up?! The bad guys level up WITH YOU! Draw better magic, refine your cards and kill all monsters with the Card ability. You don't get Exp, but you do get AP.

Word. I beat that game once with what might have been the lowest levelled up characters in history. Card was a gift from the Squaresoft Gods.

VKValentine
04-23-2006, 01:39 PM
Word. I beat that game once with what might have been the lowest levelled up characters in history. Card was a gift from the Squaresoft Gods.

I love playing through the game "perfectly", not leveling at all by Carding baddies, "break"ing the ones you can't card, abolishing all card rules on the planet, and then leveling up at the end with all four Bonus Abilities, giving each character stats of 255. it's a challenge for the whole game, not just the end.

It's the most sane game to do this in. getting sources in FF7 would be just hours and hours and days of stupid, and re-arranging your entire sphere grid with bonus spheres in FFX was only fun once.

I think I'll play again after i'm finished with KHII

Justin.Strange
04-23-2006, 02:11 PM
Why are you leveling up?! The bad guys level up WITH YOU! Draw better magic, refine your cards and kill all monsters with the Card ability. You don't get Exp, but you do get AP.


I really dont care about the card game, so I never got around to learning the Card ability. You mean to tell me I can refine the cards into something useful? Oh snap!