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Foolish Mortal
03-29-2006, 07:03 AM
LINK:Italy offers Rahman asylum (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B9087EA5-42DF-4461-860E-3D4A436E5816.htm)

MPs blast release of Christian convert

Wednesday 29 March 2006

Afghan members of parliament have condemned the release of a man who converted from Islam to Christianity, saying he should not be allowed to leave the country, as Italy appeared ready to offer him asylum.

Abdul Rahman, 40, was jailed this month for his conversion, and could have faced trial under sharia or Islamic law stipulating death as punishment for apostasy.

He was freed from prison on Tuesday after pressure from Western states whose troops helped bring the Afghan government to power.

"The release of Abdul Rahman was contrary to the existing laws of Afghanistan," Yunus Qanuni, president of the lower house of parliament, told the assembly during an unscheduled debate on the case.

"Abdul Rahman should not flee and should not be allowed to leave Afghanistan ... he should be kept under supervision," he said.

Abdul Rahman's jailing raised a storm of protest in the West, with the US leading calls for his religious freedom to be respected and for him to be released.

His whereabouts were being kept secret to ensure his safety, officials said, but there was no indication on Wednesday he had left the country.

Afghanistan's Western-backed government has been seeking a way out of the crisis but has had to be mindful of conservatives demanding he be punished under Islamic law, and warning of trouble if he were not.

Several members of parliament said Abdul Rahman should not be allowed to leave but should be executed.

One member, who is also a cleric, said his release would provide ammunition to the government's enemies.

"This will pave the way for the opponents of the government to say war against the government is legitimate," said Abdul Aziz.

Qanuni said members of the Supreme Court and prosecutors should be summoned to parliament to explain Abdul Rahman's release.

The United Nations said Abdul Rahman had requested asylum abroad and it hoped one of the countries involved in the controversy would accept him.

Gianfranco Fini, the Italian foreign minister, said on Tuesday he would ask a cabinet meeting on Wednesday to offer Abdul Rahman "hospitality" in Italy.

Abdul Rahman became a Christian while working for an aid group helping Afghan refugees in Pakistan 15 years ago. He later lived in Germany before returning to Afghanistan.

He was detained after his relatives told authorities he had converted to Christianity following a dispute involving two daughters. Relatives later said he had suffered from mental problems, although he denied that.

Judicial officials had raised questions about his mental state and said he had to undergo psychiatric tests.

The truly frightening thing about this whole story is it was the pressure from the west that helped Rahman get released. If there had been no pressure, he probably would have been executed by now.

This is the perfect example of why religion and government should be kept apart. When you let religion take a stranglehold over societal laws, it will allow whackjobs like those clerics to have too much power and control over people's lives.

SethInAz
03-29-2006, 09:42 AM
LINK:Italy offers Rahman asylum (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B9087EA5-42DF-4461-860E-3D4A436E5816.htm)

MPs blast release of Christian convert

Wednesday 29 March 2006

Afghan members of parliament have condemned the release of a man who converted from Islam to Christianity, saying he should not be allowed to leave the country, as Italy appeared ready to offer him asylum.

Abdul Rahman, 40, was jailed this month for his conversion, and could have faced trial under sharia or Islamic law stipulating death as punishment for apostasy.

He was freed from prison on Tuesday after pressure from Western states whose troops helped bring the Afghan government to power.

"The release of Abdul Rahman was contrary to the existing laws of Afghanistan," Yunus Qanuni, president of the lower house of parliament, told the assembly during an unscheduled debate on the case.

"Abdul Rahman should not flee and should not be allowed to leave Afghanistan ... he should be kept under supervision," he said.

Abdul Rahman's jailing raised a storm of protest in the West, with the US leading calls for his religious freedom to be respected and for him to be released.

His whereabouts were being kept secret to ensure his safety, officials said, but there was no indication on Wednesday he had left the country.

Afghanistan's Western-backed government has been seeking a way out of the crisis but has had to be mindful of conservatives demanding he be punished under Islamic law, and warning of trouble if he were not.

Several members of parliament said Abdul Rahman should not be allowed to leave but should be executed.

One member, who is also a cleric, said his release would provide ammunition to the government's enemies.

"This will pave the way for the opponents of the government to say war against the government is legitimate," said Abdul Aziz.

Qanuni said members of the Supreme Court and prosecutors should be summoned to parliament to explain Abdul Rahman's release.

The United Nations said Abdul Rahman had requested asylum abroad and it hoped one of the countries involved in the controversy would accept him.

Gianfranco Fini, the Italian foreign minister, said on Tuesday he would ask a cabinet meeting on Wednesday to offer Abdul Rahman "hospitality" in Italy.

Abdul Rahman became a Christian while working for an aid group helping Afghan refugees in Pakistan 15 years ago. He later lived in Germany before returning to Afghanistan.

He was detained after his relatives told authorities he had converted to Christianity following a dispute involving two daughters. Relatives later said he had suffered from mental problems, although he denied that.

Judicial officials had raised questions about his mental state and said he had to undergo psychiatric tests.

The truly frightening thing about this whole story is it was the pressure from the west that helped Rahman get released. If there had been no pressure, he probably would have been executed by now.

This is the perfect example of why religion and government should be kept apart. When you let religion take a stranglehold over societal laws, it will allow whackjobs like those clerics to have too much power and control over people's lives.

I think that's a bit too broad of a generalization. The Founding Fathers absolutely intended religion to be a cornerstone of the United States, as a part of daily life as well as inspiring those elected to govern. The problem arises when a religion that hasn't evolved past its medevial concepts demands that people of any other religion be executed. You'd be hard pressed to find another religion that currently does this. I would be more concerned with what politics would do to the religion, not the other way around, as in the case of the Inquisition.

And before anyone even tries, the ancient Mosaic law/code formed specifically for the tribes of Israel in the Old Testament does not apply to today's Christianity.

Ray G.
03-29-2006, 10:28 AM
Good to know he'll be safe. Hopefully.

Gregory
03-29-2006, 10:29 AM
Good to know he'll be safe. Hopefully.

Unless he likes to watch soccer live. Then his life is just as endangered.

Brian Defferding
03-29-2006, 10:30 AM
Unless he likes to watch soccer live. Then his life is just as endangered.

Verrrrrry good point.

RebootedCorpse
03-29-2006, 10:47 AM
Jesus 1!
Mohammad: 0!
Take that, mother fuckers!

Foolish Mortal
03-29-2006, 11:56 AM
I think that's a bit too broad of a generalization. The Founding Fathers absolutely intended religion to be a cornerstone of the United States, as a part of daily life as well as inspiring those elected to govern. The problem arises when a religion that hasn't evolved past its medevial concepts demands that people of any other religion be executed. You'd be hard pressed to find another religion that currently does this. I would be more concerned with what politics would do to the religion, not the other way around, as in the case of the Inquisition.

Many of our founding fathers and patriots were highly spiritual, but not all were strictly Christian. Some were Deists, Masons, Rosicrucians, Unitarians and others that rejected strict adherence to the old and new testaments. And there were certainly some agnostics around too.

And our founding fathers certainly didn't intend for people to be put to death for rejecting religious belief.

stevapalooza
03-29-2006, 12:09 PM
Jesus 1!
Mohammad: 0!
Take that, mother fuckers!

Actually it's more like

Secular humanism - 1
Brutal fanaticism - 0

You're dissapointed with the outcome?