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BrianS
03-17-2006, 09:41 AM
Democracy Push by Bush Attracts Doubters in Party (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/politics/17democracy.html?ex=1300251600&en=e97f251aa4d0caa5&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss)

Even as it presents an updated national security strategy, the Bush administration is facing fresh doubts from some Republicans who say its emphasis on promoting democracy around the world has come at the expense of protecting other American interests.

The second thoughts signify a striking change in mood over one of President Bush's cherished tenets, pitting Republicans who call themselves realists against the neoconservatives who saw the invasion of Iraq as a catalyst for change and who remain the most vigorous advocates of a muscular American campaign to foster democratic movements.

"You are hearing more and more questions about the administration's approach on this issue," said Lorne W. Craner, president of the International Republican Institute, a foundation linked to the Republican Party that supports democratic activities abroad. "The 'realists' in the party are rearing their heads and asking, 'Is this stuff working?' "

The critics, who include Senators Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Richard G. Lugar of Indiana and Representative Henry J. Hyde of Illinois, as well as Henry Kissinger and Brent Scowcroft, are alarmed at the costs of military operations and of nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They have also been shaken by the victory of Hamas in Palestinian elections in January and by the gains Islamists scored in elections in Iraq, Egypt and Lebanon.

The administration, with support from legislators like Senators John McCain of Arizona and Sam Brownback of Kansas, contends that whatever their outcome, elections are better than violent upheaval. But critics worry that antidemocratic extremists will prevail wherever tradition and existing civil institutions are too weak to protect the rights of minorities or to nurture moderates.

They also argue that heavy-handed pressure has strained American relations with Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Russia and China, making it harder to enlist them in fighting terrorism, stabilizing the Middle East and curbing nuclear weapons.

The renewed violence in Iraq since the voting there has discredited, in their view, the promise of democracy as an outlet for tensions, bringing sectarian parties— and their affiliated militias — to the fore.

"You cannot in my opinion just impose a democratic form of government on a country with no history and no culture and no tradition of democracy," said Senator Hagel.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who is traveling this week in South America, Asia and Australia in part to promote democracy, acknowledges the growing dissent but says the administration will stick to its goals.

"There is a debate, and I think it's a debate that's healthy," she said. "This is obviously a really big change in American foreign policy, to put the promotion of democracy at the center of it. And people take very seriously what this president is doing and intends to do."

Mr. Bush's intent is clear from the very first sentence of the national security strategy paper issued yesterday: "It is the policy of the United States to seek and support democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world." The 49-page document calls this task "the work of generations."

It names as strongholds of tyranny North Korea, Iran, Syria, Cuba, Belarus, Myanmar and Zimbabwe. It gives the United States credit for toppling Saddam Hussein and the Taliban, and cites "some preliminary steps" toward democracy in Saudi Arabia and "more open but still flawed" elections in Egypt. It says that the Palestinian voting was "free, fair and inclusive" but that democratic principles "are tested by the victory of Hamas."

The concern, expressed by Representative Hyde, chairman of the International Relations Committee, is that the administration views democracy as a "magic formula."

"Implanting democracy in large areas would require that we possess an unbounded power and undertake an open-ended commitment of time and resources, which we cannot and will not do," he said.

William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, said: "What's really driving the criticism is disenchantment with the war. But it's unfair to say that supporters of the war thought it was going to be easy to build a democracy in Iraq."

Even many supporters of the democracy program say the administration's miscalculations in Iraq have done damage to the cause.

"I think this administration tends to have the right general policies but to be remarkably unwilling to look at how weak their instruments of implementation are," said Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker.

The American effort has also stirred controversy abroad. This year the United States is spending $1.7 billion to support groups seeking political change, but lately Russia, Egypt, China and many countries in Africa and Latin America have cracked down on these groups.

Senator McCain, a leading proponent of the program, said that despite these setbacks and controversies, and the lack of civilian structures and rule of law in many countries, the administration was right to push for democracy and elections.

"The moral of the story is that democracy is tough," he said. "We have to recognize that you can have two steps forward and one step back."

The issue of which should come first — civil society and rule of law, or elections — was underscored by the Hamas victory. Before the Palestinian elections, Washington had pressed for a law requiring political candidates to disavow racism and lawlessness, but was rebuffed.

"There's an assumption here that somehow you can neatly build a civil society, and neatly build the habits of democracy, and then you take off the authoritarian hat and everything's in place for democracy to rise," Ms. Rice said, when asked about such criticism. "I just don't think it works that way in the real world."

One prominent neoconservative, Francis Fukuyama, asserts in a new book that the administration embraced democracy as a cornerstone of its policy only after the failure to find unconventional weapons in Iraq. The issue was seized upon to justify the war in retrospect, and then expanded for other countries, he says.

Mr. Fukuyama, who opposed the war in Iraq, said in an interview that it was naïve and contrary to the tenets of conservatism for the United States to think that it could act as midwife or cheerleader for democracy in societies it knows little about.

Indeed, as he points out, in the 2000 election campaign, both Mr. Bush and Ms. Rice, then his foreign policy adviser, criticized the Clinton administration's interventions to promote democracy in Somalia, Haiti and the Balkans as misplaced idealism.

"It's this weird situation, where you have a really conservative Republican president using all this Clintonesque rhetoric about rights and ideals," Mr. Fukuyama said.

Administration officials say they are guided not by naïveté but by hard-nosed necessity. If authoritarian governments in the Middle East do not open themselves to reform, extremists will eventually blow them up, they say.

Mr. Craner, of the International Republican Institute, who was an assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights and labor in Mr. Bush's first term, said that at least rhetorically, Republicans generally supported democracy and were likely to continue doing so.

Even such leaders of the "realist" camp, like Mr. Kissinger, a former secretary of state, and Mr. Scowcroft, national security adviser under the first President Bush, say they support democracy as a major part of American foreign policy.

But in an echo of the cold war debates over whether to confront or negotiate with the Soviet Union, both have also warned that the United States should not risk alienating crucial allies or fomenting unrest by demanding rapid internal change.

Mr. Kissinger noted in a commentary last year, for example, "The United States is probably the only country in which 'realist' can be used as a pejorative epithet."

But the leaders of the cause are not backing down.

"Obviously, we want stability and we want allies in the war on terror," said one, Representative David Dreier, Republican of California. "But I don't think we should back down from democratization just because it's hard."

The Roman Candle
03-17-2006, 09:42 AM
But... Republicans are all liars, so does that mean it does work? :scared:

Shane W
03-17-2006, 09:43 AM
But... Republicans are all liars, so does that mean it does work? :scared:

No they're not lying NOW...

BrianS
03-17-2006, 09:43 AM
But... Republicans are all liars, so does that mean it does work? :scared:

All I want to know is...how can I keep the name "Trouble Boy" under my name? :twisted:

RebootedCorpse
03-17-2006, 09:44 AM
Always fun to watch the piranha devour an injured member of the school.

Dreg
03-17-2006, 09:45 AM
It's an election year. Watch their concern dissolve if they get reelected.

Gavin
03-17-2006, 09:45 AM
Always fun to watch the piranha devour an injured member of the school.
They're just thinking of the upcoming elections and how to hold onto their seats.

The Roman Candle
03-17-2006, 09:45 AM
No they're not lying NOW...

They... stopped lying? Can they do that?



I'm scared.

xyzzy
03-17-2006, 09:47 AM
They... stopped lying? Can they do that?



I'm scared.

Don't worry. Even if they aren't straight up lying, they're still being disingenuous.

The Roman Candle
03-17-2006, 10:05 AM
Don't worry. Even if they aren't straight up lying, they're still being disingenuous.

I will cling to that like a non-corporeal security blanket for my soul.

BrianS
03-17-2006, 10:05 AM
Alec Baldwin (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alec-baldwin/tax-cuts-and-the-republic_b_17379.html)
I am just back from Washington, where I attended the Arts Advocacy Day events that were sponsored by Americans for the Arts. As was the case during my last appearance there, the diligent work of Bob Lynch, Nina Ozlu and the staff of Americans for the Arts continues to foster a climate where Republican and Democrat alike can show their support for federal funding of the arts.

At the Arts breakfast on Tuesday, Congressman Jim Leach was the honoree. Leach, an Iowa Republican, is a great supporter of the arts in Congress and of museums in particular. All supporters of federally funded arts programs owe a debt of gratitude not only to Jim Leach, but to Chris Shays (R-CT) and Louise Slaughter (D-NY), who are the co-chairs of the Congressional Arts caucus.

In 1994, the Gingrich gang sought to zero out the NEA. They nearly did. But wiser, cooler heads in the Senate, as well as the House, prevailed. The NEA was saved from extinction in 1997. And it has slowly climbed its way toward its pre-Gingrich budget levels since.

During my trip to Washington, however, walking the halls of Congress to lobby both Republicans and Democrats alike over specific issues involving the NEA's budget, you get the sense that even some of the most cynical and hardbitten members of Congress believe that the Bush administration and their lapdogs in the GOP Congressional leadership are about to drive the ship right into the iceberg. They are worried. They are pained. They are even terrified, and not in any way I have ever encountered in my past visits there.

I asked a veteran Democratic member of Congress what they thought we were facing in terms of the fate of all social programming, not just the arts, in the coming budget. That member told me that three things hang over the Congressional budget process right now, but only one is a real problem. "The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan we can handle, budget-wise. The rebuilding of the Gulf region after Katrina can be done. But it's the tax cuts that will kill us," she told me. "These people want to make these cuts permanent. And that will mean the death of all entitlements in the budget. That will mean the death of a great deal of our social programming." As another member told me later that day, "Defend the seas and deliver the mail. That's all these guys want to pay for. Literally."

Well...better make that defend the seas, deliver the mail and give Halliburton a lot of no bid contracts.

If you ever want to get a clear and determinative view of how our government works, and why, go to Washington. Go and see your Congressman or Congresswoman. Sit down with them and ask them why the richest nation on earth can't afford dance classes for little girls in underserved rural parts of this country that are affected by the NEA's budget. And beyond the issue of NEA funding, ask them who these tax cuts are serving? Who are they hurting? What, to the extent that any of them can reasonably defend these cuts, are their real purpose? Is their purpose to starve social programming in this, the "greatest country on earth?"

Prominent, veteran members of Congress tell me that, yes, that is their purpose. These tax cuts are not only to make Bush's wealthiest supporters richer, they are intended to hurt less powerful Americans by killing many of the social programs they depend on. That is the legacy of this Republican-controlled Congress. To hurt those who aren't wealthy enough to write Bush-Cheney a big check. I urge all Americans to keep that in mind during this election cycle. A Republican-controlled Congress is killing important social programs that we all depend on, so that Bush's friends can avoid paying a reasonable share of their taxes.

Help end these horrible and corrupt times in this country. Give your contributions to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

The Roman Candle
03-17-2006, 10:29 AM
Help end these horrible and corrupt times in this country.

And usher in a new utopian age of Democratic corruption. :cool:

BrianS
03-17-2006, 10:35 AM
And usher in a new utopian age of Democratic corruption. :cool:

I'd settle for Clinton-esqe prosperity and hope...

Ray G.
06-20-2006, 04:54 PM
It's Time Travel Tuesday!!!!

More than anything, I just wanted to point out that Hagel is one of the few Republicans who we should listen to less than Bush. The guy's a loon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A32752-2004Apr21&notFound=true

Fusion
06-20-2006, 04:58 PM
No they're not lying NOW...

Oh ya...NOW!!! :surrend:

RickM
06-20-2006, 06:55 PM
It's Time Travel Tuesday!!!!

More than anything, I just wanted to point out that Hagel is one of the few Republicans who we should listen to less than Bush. The guy's a loon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A32752-2004Apr21&notFound=true

Tell me you're kidding about Hagel.

Brad N.
06-20-2006, 07:18 PM
Always fun to watch the piranha devour an injured member of the school.


Holy Shit, Kirby! You did it! That avatar is teh bomb! :D

Ray G.
06-21-2006, 05:51 AM
Tell me you're kidding about Hagel.

Nope.

RickM
06-21-2006, 05:56 AM
What's wrong with Hagel (other than he disagrees with his party sometimes)?

Ray G.
06-21-2006, 06:07 AM
What's wrong with Hagel (other than he disagrees with his party sometimes)?

Did you read the link?