Um...I didn't like ANT either. (A respectful criticism)

[PhilipClark]

I do applaud Mario for his effort and success. And, as a fellow creator, I cannot help but respect what he's done with the book.

However, I found the art struggling for consistency. It seemed like a failed attempt to revive the McFarlane era Spider-Man hayday. Obviously it didn't fail, because he not only sold out through Arcana but moved on to Image. As much as I initially liked the concept of the story and the character, I felt in the end it came off flat and derivative. With all due respect, I felt like it seriously lacked originality.

That is my respectful take on it. This thread wasn't created to stir up any drama. But I feel it was closed before some people got to express their UNBIASED opinion on the subject.

Again, kudos to Mario Gully's success on this. But it just wasn't my cup of tea.

By the way, if I had a dollar for everyone who didn't like QUANTUM, I'd be on my way to being rich.

[dEnny!]

Hasn't this horse been beaten enough?

[Ray G.]

This probably won't end well.

[dEnny!]

This probably won't end well.

Should I end before it begins? Decisions, decisions. ;-)

[Ray G.]

Should I end before it begins? Decisions, decisions. ;-)

See, for me the question is, should I start a thread titled "I don't like ants" with a rant about how they always ruin picnics? Decisions, decisions.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

See, the argument now isn't whether the book sucks or not (it does) but whether or not saying the book sucks is "creator bashing" (whatever that means and it's not. Lots of comics suck. And that's an opinion I have a right to have.)

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Oh, and if you need a reason why it's bad:

1) The writing is just poor. Stuff like this I could understand maybe in the 60s and 70s, but it doesn't work now.

2) The art is poorly executed and mostly in bad taste. There's enough T&A in comics as it is, why do we need another T&A book?

3) There's no real plot or originality, just another theme upon a theme.

That's why it sucks.

[dEnny!]

See, the argument now isn't whether the book sucks or not (it does) but whether or not saying the book sucks is "creator bashing" (whatever that means and it's not. Lots of comics suck. And that's an opinion I have a right to have.)

I think Bendis made this point though. "This comic sucks," is not very insightful. Why do you feel the comic sucks?

And I didn't read the whole post, but I didn't see any creator bashing. I saw people state their opinion and I can see how one could take the negative comments and attribute them to the creator. I can't fault someone for sticking up for a friend, but I think you'd be more effective explaining why the creator has talent or potential or whatever you feel to counter the arguments. I didn't like Campbell's cover and it turned me off from flipping through the book, but there is a point to be made that MANY people will check out the book because they are fans of Campbell and it wound up helping more than hurting the book. It depends on the audience he was going for and it sounds like he reached his target audience. Now he has to try and expand on it.

[dEnny!]

Oh, and if you need a reason why it's bad:

1) The writing is just poor. Stuff like this I could understand maybe in the 60s and 70s, but it doesn't work now.

2) The art is poorly executed and mostly in bad taste. There's enough T&A in comics as it is, why do we need another T&A book?

3) There's no real plot or originality, just another theme upon a theme.

That's why it sucks.

How is the writing poor?

What about the art is poorly executed? While you may not like T&A obviously there is a market, explains how Avatar does so well (though they do try and come out with some interesting creator owned stuff by guys like Ellis, Ennis, etc).

I have to say the guy is making comics though. He's doing better than 95% of the people who talk about wanting to do comics, but never get anything out so I respect the guy for that. He went out and did it. I admire guys like him, Raven, James, and the Ronin people for at least trying to get their work out and they are going to be miles ahead of most because they are learning the process of publishing a comic, they are tweaking their style. Will they make it big? Who knows, but they definitely won't unless they keep working at it.

[PhilipClark]

That's my point.

I didn't say "this comic sucks." I gave specific reasons why it's not my cup of tea.

I danced on so many eggshells to express this opinion, which I feel is valid. I feel like I've been respectful to the creator. I don't understand why no one is not allowed to not like this book.

Christ. If I got this bent out of shape when I heard someone didn't like my book, I wouldn't be in the business at all. Let's all get some perspective here.

BMB himself get a lot of flack for his work and lets a lot of stuff roll off his back. Why should this be any different?

This is a respectful discussion of a book that some of us feel is sub-par.

[dEnny!]

That's my point.

I didn't say "this comic sucks." I gave specific reasons why it's not my cup of tea.

I danced on so many eggshells to express this opinion, which I feel is valid. I feel like I've been respectful to the creator. I don't understand why no one is not allowed to not like this book.

Christ. If I got this bent out of shape when I heard someone didn't like my book, I wouldn't be in the business at all. Let's all get some perspective here.

BMB himself lets a lot of stuff roll off his back. Why should this be any different.

This is a respectful discussion of a book that some of us feel is sub-par.

I think you did a great job with your post, my concern it comes right after a thread that was closed and resulted in Bendis making a post about critiquing comics. I wish every thread could start off and finish so well.

I don't read Ant and you have every right to express your opinion about any comic. I try to stick to comics I like, but obviously not every comic will be successful in that. I didn't read Ant and have no interest in checking it out so I can't comment on the contents, just the cover.

[Jonny Z]

I have to say the guy is making comics though. He's doing better than 95% of the people who talk about wanting to do comics, but never get anything out so I respect the guy for that. He went out and did it. I admire guys like him, Raven, James, and the Ronin people for at least trying to get their work out and they are going to be miles ahead of most because they are learning the process of publishing a comic, they are tweaking their style. Will they make it big? Who knows, but they definitely won't unless they keep working at it.

you can't counter a fan's criticism by saying that because he doesn't make comics of his own, he's incapable of offering real criticism. you kinda seem close to doing that. plenty of comic writers get it right on their first try. many here say this guy didn't.

[Jonny Z]

I think you did a great job with your post, my concern it comes right after a thread that was closed and resulted in Bendis making a post about critiquing comics. I wish every thread could start off and finish so well.

I don't read Ant and you have every right to express your opinion about any comic. I try to stick to comics I like, but obviously not every comic will be successful in that. I didn't read Ant and have no interest in checking it out so I can't comment on the contents, just the cover.

i think that thread became about other things and had nothing to do with Ant by the end. did you read the thread?

[PhilipClark]

Well, if you feel like a preemptive locking of this thread is necessary, that's your call. I will always defer to the mod's discretion.

I almost feel like starting a "What I hated about QUANTUM: Rock of Ages" thread, just to prove a point.

(P.S. I'm not encouraging anyone to do this. But if you do, I'll have to stones to tolerate it.)

We, as creators, are not without faults. Sometimes we put something on a page and it works. Sometimes it doesn't. As people living in the age of multimedia, entertainment, and opinions, creators (and their friends) need to grow a thick skin and not take every dissenting opinion of their work as a personal assault.

So, lock away. I've said my bit.

[dEnny!]

i think that thread became about other things and had nothing to do with Ant by the end. did you read the thread?

Not in its entirety, just read the end.

[dEnny!]

you can't counter a fan's criticism by saying that because he doesn't make comics of his own, he's incapable of offering real criticism. you kinda seem close to doing that. plenty of comic writers get it right on their first try. many here say this guy didn't.

That wasn't what I was saying at all, I don't believe that discredits your opinioin at all. I was just pointing out that I admire this guy is doing something, even though it might be something I'm not interested in. And you're right many come out of the gate knocking stuff out of the park.

Just to clarifiy, all comic fans have the right to express their opinion. (Who knew I'd actually have to say that.)

[dEnny!]

Well, if you feel like a preemptive locking of this thread is necessary, that's your call. I will always defer to the mod's discretion.

I almost feel like starting a "What I hated about QUANTUM: Rock of Ages" thread, just to prove a point.

(P.S. I'm not encouraging anyone to do this. But if you do, I'll have to stones to tolerate it.)

We, as creators, are not without faults. Sometimes we put something on a page and it works. Sometimes it doesn't. As people living in the age of multimedia, entertainment, and opinions, creators (and their friends) need to grow a thick skin and not take every dissenting opinion of their work as a personal assault.

So, lock away. I've said my bit.

Creators are a supersensitive lot. Did you not see the SMILEY dude??? :grope:

Any publicity is good publicity.

[Jonny Z]

That wasn't what I was saying at all, I don't believe that discredits your opinioin at all. I was just pointing out that I admire this guy is doing something, even though it might be something I'm not interested in. And you're right many come out of the gate knocking stuff out of the park.

Just to clarifiy, all comic fans have the right to express their opinion. (Who knew I'd actually have to say that.)

yeah, you didn't say it there, but i know other people are ready to jump on the bandwagon of that arguement if it's brought up.

i've gotten into it in both public and private with a few creators on the board who, when criticized (sometimes unfairly- i won't lie), come back at me with a "well when is your comic coming out?"

i feel that's really the poorest response to criticism. creators don't create for the sake of other creators. they create to make money (and in some cases, to satiate their need to get their feelings and ideas out, but everyone needs money to live). when a fan tells them they're doing something wrong they should fix it, if they want to make a career out of comics.

[Jacob Lyon Goddard]

I wonder what kind of review a legitimate high end reviewer might give?
i'd being will to bet i was a lot nicer than Groth or that guy from Time would have been

[dEnny!]

yeah, you didn't say it there, but i know other people are ready to jump on the bandwagon of that arguement if it's brought up.

i've gotten into it in both public and private with a few creators on the board who, when criticized (sometimes unfairly- i won't lie), come back at me with a "well when is your comic coming out?"

i feel that's really the poorest response to criticism. creators don't create for the sake of other creators. they create to make money (and in some cases, to satiate their need to get their feelings and ideas out, but everyone needs money to live). when a fan tells them they're doing something wrong they should fix it, if they want to make a career out of comics.

That reasoning rates up there with "your comic sucks" and "I know you are, but what am I."

:lol:

[dEnny!]

I wonder what kind of review a legitimate high end reviewer might give?
i'd being will to bet i was a lot nicer than Groth or that guy from Time would have been

Yeah, but their review would have been much more insightful.:twisted:

[Jacob Lyon Goddard]

Yeah, but their review would have been much more insightful.:twisted:
:no:
they wouldn't have gotten past the cover either

[Generic Poster]

i've gotten into it in both public and private with a few creators on the board who, when criticized (sometimes unfairly- i won't lie), come back at me with a "well when is your comic coming out?"



Yeah, I can understand why creators get frustrated, but the "when is your comic coming out" thing is ridiculous. This would mean that people can only comment on things that they personally work on.

"Hey, this car has a poor crash rating, and seems unsafe!"

"Oh yeah? When does YOUR car factory open?"

[PhilipClark]

Creators are a supersensitive lot. Did you not see the SMILEY dude??? :grope:

Any publicity is good publicity.
That is EXACTLY my point. Thank you, Denny. :-)

[PhilipClark]

when a fan tells them they're doing something wrong they should fix it
...or stick to their own vision and not be swayed by the pundits.

[AAlgar]

yeah, you didn't say it there, but i know other people are ready to jump on the bandwagon of that arguement if it's brought up.

i've gotten into it in both public and private with a few creators on the board who, when criticized (sometimes unfairly- i won't lie), come back at me with a "well when is your comic coming out?"

i feel that's really the poorest response to criticism. creators don't create for the sake of other creators. they create to make money (and in some cases, to satiate their need to get their feelings and ideas out, but everyone needs money to live). when a fan tells them they're doing something wrong they should fix it, if they want to make a career out of comics.

If you can't have a thick skin, you shouldn't be putting yourself and your work on the line like that. I say this as the creator of 2 crappy books, a crappy video game and 4 crappy comics.

[ds9]

I like the art and im not a hater of the 90's.

[Jonny Z]

...or stick to their own vision and not be swayed by the pundits.

i mean if they're doing it for the money though

[Persevering Guy]

Mario called my comic shop when I was in the store. He was personally calling stores to get them to order his book. I thought that was cool. Then he went on tour for it. My comic shop asked me to do a co-signing with Mario, but I refused for various reasons.

Also, as far as the quality of Ant is concerned, there's 5 page preview at image's site and I think the work speaks for itself.

[dEnny!]

Yeah, I can understand why creators get frustrated, but the "when is your comic coming out" thing is ridiculous. This would mean that people can only comment on things that they personally work on.

"Hey, this car has a poor crash rating, and seems unsafe!"

"Oh yeah? When does YOUR car factory open?"

That was funny. I think we need to start a thread of these.

[dEnny!]

I like the art and im not a hater of the 90's.

Wouldn't those two go together though?

[half guard]

Also, as far as the quality of Ant is concerned, there's 5 page preview at image's site and I think the work speaks for itself.

you're exactly right. 'art' like this speaks volumes as to why i don't care to waste money on this comic.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/bgrl/ant01.jpg

her costume actually goes directly up the crack of her ass. unless it is literally painted on her there is no way that would be possible. especially given the tawdry position her body is in - there would be wrinkles, etc. not to mention that in order for it to be so skintight as to go up her ass crack, it would be physically impossible for her to get into the doggy style superhero position she is in. even spandex doesn't give to that degree.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/bgrl/ant02.jpg

nevermind the fact that spawn's right leg is disgustingly disproportionate to the rest of his body, but what exactly are those various tumor-like bulges popping out of it? they are the quadricep muscles because that is clearly not how they are shaped, not to mention their are too many of them. mario does a good job of covering his lack of anatomical knowledge with lots of mcfarlanesque lines and details.

[PhilipClark]

Mario called my comic shop when I was in the store. He was personally calling stores to get them to order his book. I thought that was cool. Then he went on tour for it. My comic shop asked me to do a co-signing with Mario, but I refused for various reasons.

Also, as far as the quality of Ant is concerned, there's 5 page preview at image's site and I think the work speaks for itself.
I've met Mario. He is a cool guy.

[Persevering Guy]

you're exactly right. 'art' like this speaks volumes as to why i don't care to waste money on this comic.


her costume actually goes directly up the crack of her ass. unless it is literally painted on her there is no way that would be possible. especially given the tawdry position her body is in - there would be wrinkles, etc. not to mention that in order for it to be so skintight as to go up her ass crack, it would be physically impossible for her to get into the doggy style superhero position she is in. even spandex doesn't give to that degree.


nevermind the fact that spawn's right leg is disgustingly disproportionate to the rest of his body, but what exactly are those various tumor-like bulges popping out of it? they are the quadricep muscles because that is clearly not how they are shaped, not to mention their are too many of them. mario does a good job of covering his lack of anatomical knowledge with lots of mcfarlanesque lines and details.
Spawn is undead so maybe he can have a warped leg.

How is her costume being painted on any different from Spider-Woman?

and also, the concept of Quantum doesn't appeal to me. But I think the art is nice, though a bit much t & a. http://64.202.163.44/DreamchildNYC/Q%236/issue06coverlo6mb.jpg

also, please don't let us not talk negatively about comics or else no one would talk about mine

[PhilipClark]

You know, I've been thinking about this. I guess I don't have a real reason for disliking Mario's art because he's a McFarlane clone.

That would be like saying I don't like Dale Keown or Paul Pelletier because they're Byrne clones or Phil Jimenez because he's a George Perez clone.

So, I'll take the derivative aspects of ANT in stride, because in the end, it's all probably an homage to McFarlane anyway.

There, I just rethought my criticism. The mind opens and in creeps wisdom.

[PhilipClark]

and also, the concept of Quantum doesn't appeal to me. But I think the art is nice, though a bit much t & a. http://64.202.163.44/DreamchildNYC/Q%236/issue06coverlo6mb.jpg

What??? You...BASTARD!!!!

(sobs uncontrollably)

I'm so kidding ;-)

[Persevering Guy]

What??? You...BASTARD!!!!

(sobs uncontrollably)

I'm so kidding ;-)
you walked into this one.

[ds9]

Alot of books use cheescake including JSA with Powergirl and NA with spiderwoman and many other high selling books.

[PhilipClark]

Alot of books use cheescake including JSA with Powergirl and NA with spiderwoman and many other high selling books.
Whenever I put a girl on the cover, my sales double.

I'm just sayin'.

[Jacob Lyon Goddard]

Alot of books use cheescake including JSA with Powergirl and NA with spiderwoman and many other high selling books.
yeah, we've noticed
you should have read Bendis rail against the Bad Girl thing back in the day

[dEnny!]

Whenever I put a girl on the cover, my sales double.

I'm just sayin'.

As I said, Mario was going for a target audience and sales have shown to be pretty good. Good enough to get him to Image and do pretty well.

[Jacob Lyon Goddard]

Whenever I put a girl on the cover, my sales double.

I'm just sayin'.
i see you've submitted your book for a Harvey
have you ever been reviewed by TCJ?

[dEnny!]

i see you've submitted your book for a Harvey
have you ever been reviewed by TCJ?

Does the Harvey or review in TCJ pay the bills?

[PhilipClark]

i see you've submitted your book for a Harvey
have you ever been reviewed by TCJ?
Not yet, but they've run my ads ;-)

[Jacob Lyon Goddard]

Does the Harvey or review in TCJ pay the bills?
if a comic has Harvey Award Winner! and a Journal blurb on the cover, i'm a million times more likely to flip through it at the store

[TIP]

:lol:

T

[ds9]

I just dont think its fair that Mario is getting criticized for doing what other writer and artist do who get praise on the board.

[Jonny Z]

I just dont think its fair that Mario is getting criticized for doing what other writer and artist do who get praise on the board.

to be fair, from the art samples posted in this thread, he seems a lot closer to liefeld than to frank cho.

[ds9]

to be fair, from the art samples posted in this thread, he seems a lot closer to liefeld than to frank cho.True but cheesecake is cheesecake. Im not saying its wrong either.

[Jacob Lyon Goddard]

I just dont think its fair that Mario is getting criticized for doing what other writer and artist do who get praise on the board.
yes
because i've been so soft on Cho and Dawson and Hughes here on the board

[Persevering Guy]

True but cheesecake is cheesecake. Im not saying its wrong either.
I can't stand how every woman in sh comics has to have big breasts while being thin. Spider-Woman is a good example of men drawing women to appeal to men.

It makes comics look bad in the US, where comics already suffer from a poor reputation.

On an interesting note, here in Japan where comics are loved, the boobs are way, way bigger (in the comics).

[ds9]

I can't stand how every woman in sh comics has to have big breasts while being thin. Spider-Woman is a good example of men drawing women to appeal to men.

It makes comics look bad in the US, where comics already suffer from a poor reputation.

On an interesting note, here in Japan where comics are loved, the boobs are way, way bigger (in the comics).Thats on the artist and the people buying it. I can take it either way.

[Persevering Guy]

Thats on the artist and the people buying it. I can take it either way.
If you put your work out there, someone's gonna criticize it.

I generally try not to criticize others, unless they ask. As I said earlier, I don't need to say anything about Ant, the preview speaks for itself.

It seems that Mario is enjoying a successful title, good for him. It's just not going to appeal to everyone. I wouldn't feel sorry for him.

And what's this talk about people doing comics for money? I didn't comics could make money.

[PhilipClark]

I can't stand how every woman in sh comics has to have big breasts while being thin. Spider-Woman is a good example of men drawing women to appeal to men.
That's also what I like about Strangers in Paradise. Terry Moore draws women like women. All shapes and sizes.

[Persevering Guy]

That's also what I like about Strangers in Paradise. Terry Moore draws women like women. All shapes and sizes.
That's one of the reasons I think its the best ongoing series ever.

[ds9]

Doesnt interest me.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

How is the writing poor?

What about the art is poorly executed? While you may not like T&A obviously there is a market, explains how Avatar does so well (though they do try and come out with some interesting creator owned stuff by guys like Ellis, Ennis, etc).

I have to say the guy is making comics though. He's doing better than 95% of the people who talk about wanting to do comics, but never get anything out so I respect the guy for that. He went out and did it. I admire guys like him, Raven, James, and the Ronin people for at least trying to get their work out and they are going to be miles ahead of most because they are learning the process of publishing a comic, they are tweaking their style. Will they make it big? Who knows, but they definitely won't unless they keep working at it.
It's an opinion. I don't have to have an explanation on why I think anything, other than it strikes me as not my taste and/or awful.

Plus, the whole thing about this guy is making comics is complete bullshit and doesn't prove anything to me. I don't care if he's "doing better than 95% of people who talk about wanting to do comics," if he IS in that 5%, the book should be a whole lot better than the amateur, immature feeling it has.

Goddard was right...for once.

[ds9]

It's an opinion. I don't have to have an explanation on why I think anything, other than it strikes me as not my taste and/or awful.

Plus, the whole thing about this guy is making comics is complete bullshit and doesn't prove anything to me. I don't care if he's "doing better than 95% of people who talk about wanting to do comics," if he IS in that 5%, the book should be a whole lot better than the amateur, immature feeling it has.

Goddard was right...for once.Well it has a following and people are enjoying the book every month. It looks like its just a fun book and the market has room for that.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Well it has a following and people are enjoying the book every month. It looks like its just a fun book and the market has room for that.
Well, I hardly think anything with Spawn can be considered "fun," but I guess because I don't like Spawn, that makes me a racist and a moron because I'm not spelling out every single reason I don't like things.

Last time I checked, I never had to. Opinions are like assholes: everyone's got 'em and everyone else's stink.

[ds9]

Well, I hardly think anything with Spawn can be considered "fun," but I guess because I don't like Spawn, that makes me a racist and a moron because I'm not spelling out every single reason I don't like things.

Last time I checked, I never had to. Opinions are like assholes: everyone's got 'em and everyone else's stink.You dont have to like anything.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Doesnt interest me.
Why does this not surprise me in the least.

"Hey, there's this SPECTACULAR book about people and their relationships with one another and it's very realistic but sorta silly at the same time!"

"Meh..."

"How about a book with some of the hokiest dialogue that only Todd McFarlene would be proud of...with tons of oversized tits and ass!"

"I'M THERE!"

[Adrian B AWESOME]

You dont have to like anything.
:lol: That makes absolutly no sense.

[ds9]

Why does this not surprise me in the least.

"Hey, there's this SPECTACULAR book about people and their relationships with one another and it's very realistic but sorta silly at the same time!"

"Meh..."

"How about a book with some of the hokiest dialogue that only Todd McFarlene would be proud of...with tons of oversized tits and ass!"

"I'M THERE!"I dont like Spawn either so go figure. For my comics I want to read books like Powers and JSA and NA. Nothing wrong with that is there?

[dEnny!]

if a comic has Harvey Award Winner! and a Journal blurb on the cover, i'm a million times more likely to flip through it at the store

One and only a flip. How does that pay the bills again? (I'm of course giving you a hard time.) I'm more likely to check something out based on what I hear on this board.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

I dont like Spawn either so go figure. For my comics I want to read books like Powers and JSA and NA. Nothing wrong with that is there?
No, but there's a COMPLETE difference between JSA, Powers, NA and Ant.

[Gunter]

One and only a flip. How does that pay the bills again? (I'm of course giving you a hard time.) I'm more likely to check something out based on what I hear on this board.


I am too. Frequenting this board is getting awfully expensive.

[dEnny!]

Ugly confession time. I actually wound up giving Spawn 100 issues before I finally cut the cord. It was one of those books I grew up reading and really wanted to see it do well, but Todd started getting on my nerves with his antics so no more loyalty, and the story just never went ANYWHERE! Even when they talked new direction, it was the same old same old.

[ds9]

No, but there's a COMPLETE difference between JSA, Powers, NA and Ant.True but ANT has every right to be published as it is as long as enough people want to buy it.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

True but ANT has every right to be published as it is as long as enough people want to buy it.
Well, show me the Diamond selling list and I want to see where Ant shows up.

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Nevermind, I'll do it.

August - 165 Ant 1 $2.99 Image 11,300
Septem - 171 Ant 2 $2.99 Image 8,500
Novem - 180 Ant 3 $2.99 Image 8,900

No comments, just the official numbers.

[A.Huerta]

you're exactly right. 'art' like this speaks volumes as to why i don't care to waste money on this comic.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/bgrl/ant01.jpg

her costume actually goes directly up the crack of her ass. unless it is literally painted on her there is no way that would be possible. especially given the tawdry position her body is in - there would be wrinkles, etc. not to mention that in order for it to be so skintight as to go up her ass crack, it would be physically impossible for her to get into the doggy style superhero position she is in. even spandex doesn't give to that degree.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a278/bgrl/ant02.jpg

nevermind the fact that spawn's right leg is disgustingly disproportionate to the rest of his body, but what exactly are those various tumor-like bulges popping out of it? they are the quadricep muscles because that is clearly not how they are shaped, not to mention their are too many of them. mario does a good job of covering his lack of anatomical knowledge with lots of mcfarlanesque lines and details.

His leg is def. F'd up but you have no idea if Ants costume is armor, a costume or whatever. If it is a skin tight organic armor of some sort then it should be skin tight but we dont know. I've seen worse regarding T&A in comics and the art is very 90's indeed, but he has improved with each issue. IMO he's still fresh to the comic game, so I'll give him a couple years to really develope his own look.

[Flonk]

I just dont think its fair that Mario is getting criticized for doing what other writer and artist do who get praise on the board.

Because there is more to Frank Cho then cheesecake. The guy is an all around great artist. From what I've seen, Ant is cheese and nothing more.

[Flonk]

You dont have to like anything.


Good.

Because he doesn't.

Adrian is a crumudgon.

[ds9]

Because there is more to Frank Cho then cheesecake. The guy is an all around great artist. From what I've seen, Ant is cheese and nothing more.We havnt seen much of ANT except a few scanned pages and Frank Cho is a good artist but he relies own T&A quite a bit in whatever book he draws.

[half guard]

We havnt seen much of ANT except a few scanned pages and Frank Cho is a good artist but he relies own T&A quite a bit in whatever book he draws.

wrong. cho does NOT rely on t&a. cho draws t&a because he is a legit perv and if anyone whines about that being creator bashing, then they have never had the pleasure of meeting frank cho. because if they did, they know just how proud he is of his perverted nature.

[Bill?]

people who like t & a hate our freedom!

[NickT]

wrong. cho does NOT rely on t&a. cho draws t&a because he is a legit perv and if anyone whines about that being creator bashing, then they have never had the pleasure of meeting frank cho. because if they did, they know just how proud he is of his perverted nature.
I really wish he would do something with no T&A though. He should be one of the top 5 artists working, not someone typecast into T&A IMO.

[Kirblar]

Turtleface, you should show us some pics when you're done with the bodybuilding growing phase. You could probably get someone to put your body in a book :-P

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Good.

Because he doesn't.

Adrian is a crumudgon.
I hate minicomics especially.

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Turtleface, you should show us some pics when you're done with the bodybuilding growing phase. You could probably get someone to put your body in a book :-P

my goal weight is 210. athletic but i wouldn't exactly consider that size to be 'super hero' caliber.

[Shannon Chenoweth]

Just wanted to say that I NEVER said you can't dislike the book, or state your opinions on it. Just that saying something sucks or is vile is wrong IMO, doesn't do anything for anyone really. There are better ways to go about making your opinion known. Philip's post here was done in a respectful way.

(also of note, I haven't gotten much rest this week already due to work and whatnot, sorry if I came off a bit crabby)

[Adrian B AWESOME]

Just wanted to say that I NEVER said you can't dislike the book, or state your opinions on it. Just that saying something sucks or is vile is wrong IMO, doesn't do anything for anyone really. There are better ways to go about making your opinion known. Philip's post here was done in a respectful way.

(also of note, I haven't gotten much rest this week already due to work and whatnot, sorry if I came off a bit crabby)
That's not true...it does a lot for me, because I'm obviously a small person and to degrade others is the only way I feel better about myself.

Or certain others would have you believe anyways.

[James Patrick]

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[Flonk]

I hate minicomics especially.


You've just haven't read the right one. I'd recomend Indecency Crisis, but I'm not a self indulgent plug whore.