name good american musicians

[who cares?]

recently had a conversation with someone about the fact that all good musicians come from the UK.... while i'd say that i'm a big fan of a lot of UK musicians, i still insisted that there are many talented american musicians as well, giving Jimi Hendrix as an example (first one i could think of....)


so list some more.......

[TheTravis!]

Johnny Cash
Springsteen
Bob Dylan

Whoever you were talking to is a dumb motherfucker who doesn't know shit about music.

[mike black]

Oh christ, someone ask Thudpucker if he remembers this discussion.

....Elvis...

[princess phoenix]

Gordon Gano
Calvin Johnson
D. Boone

You're friend's full of shit. What about other countries besides America? The only good musians fucking comes from the UK? Christ, I fucking hate douchebags who speak in sweeping generalisations like that.

[Dannñ B]

Like everybody.

[Seltzer Water]

yo the red white and blue love it or leave it bitch . . . er, I mean the stars and stripes!!!!

Ryan Adams, Jeff Tweedy, Bruce Robison, Merle

[amy]

Prince

[princess phoenix]

Like everybody.
He's posting a thread here, so I am assuming that he lost the argument and now needs backup instead of just calling him on being an idiot and changing the subject. Sad thing is that Mr. UK probally walked away thinking he won the argument.

[mike black]

Gordon Gano
Calvin Johnson
D. Boone

You're friend's full of shit. What about other countries besides America? The only good musians fucking comes from the UK? Christ, I fucking hate douchebags who speak in sweeping generalisations like that.

All people who speak in sweeping generalisations suck! ;)

[Dannñ B]

Malkmus, Mangum

[who cares?]

Prince
Clapton

dude, Clapton's british

[Thudpucker]

Oh christ, someone ask Thudpucker if he remembers this discussion.

....Elvis...

Yep. Only I limited mine to Rock, not music (because when it comes to Jazz / Blues / Country / Rap / Heavy Metal ect America owns it).

But too many people have no idea what Rock means. They kept throwing out punk bands or Folk singers like Dylan.

[PeterSparker]

John Coltrane
Miles Davis
Dizzy Gillespe
Chat Atkins
Les Paul
Eddie Van Halen
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Duane Allman
Buddy Holly
Bootsy Collins
Muddy Waters
John Fruciante
Flea
Kurt Cobain
Chuck Berry
Thelonious Monk
Mike Bloomfield
David Byrne
Steven Stills
Slash
Sly Stone
Link Wray
Jimi Hendrix
Billy Corgan


just off the top of my head

[amy]

dude, Clapton's british


not a dude, on the offi chance you didn't already know. but if you're speaking in general, no problem.




and yeah, i know...didn't read the tread and only caught "good musicians" in the title.

[princess phoenix]

All people who speak in sweeping generalisations suck! ;)
Only the Sith deals in absolutes ;)

[PeterSparker]

But too many people have no idea what Rock means. They kept throwing out punk bands or Folk singers like Dylan.

this line always cracks me up :lol:

[who cares?]

not a dude, on the offi chance you didn't already know. but if you're speaking in general, no problem.



oh, shit, sorry about that......... :Oops:

i dont read this board enough......

[mike black]

Yep. Only I limited mine to Rock, not music (because when it comes to Jazz / Blues / Country / Rap / Heavy Metal ect America owns it).

But too many people have no idea what Rock means. They kept throwing out punk bands or Folk singers like Dylan.

Well, then it becomes a question of semantics. I'd argue that (early) punk is more in line with rock than most bands that are classified as rock. Regardless, that was a great thread.

And Metal is debatable. ;)

[mike black]

Only the Sith deals in absolutes ;)

DOn't quote Star Wars at me. I'll take a shot at you with my kitty cannon.

It fires kittens, you know.

(Hi, I'm Mike. I don't believe we've met.)

[princess phoenix]

Well, then it becomes a question of semantics. I'd argue that (early) punk is more in line with rock than most bands that are classified as rock. Regardless, that was a great thread.

And Metal is debatable. ;)
Since when is punk and metal not rock? Was there a commintee vote that I wasn't invited to?

[The Robot Lord of Tokyo]

Mike Patton
Trent Reznor

[Thudpucker]

this line always cracks me up :lol:

It's true. Every town has a Rock station. And they don't play stuff like Nirvana, Talking Heads, or Tina Turner. They don't. Because it's not Rock.

Rock is Pink Floyd, The Stones, The Who, Rush, AC / DC, ect. It's called 'classic' Rock, but you know what Rock is if you think about it. It's Rock.

Beatles are borderline. Rock and Roll (Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry ect) is too old. Bands like Metalica also borderline, but I personally consider Metal seperate from Rock.

America has some great ones. Hendrix, Tom Petty, The Doors, Springsteen (even though he is more like Dylan than not, he's very mellow). CSNY. Not saying the US don't have any. But compared to the UK? That tiny little Island produced more than we did. Rock isn't 'American', it's British.

[who cares?]

Trent Reznor

he's the guy from NIN, right?

[The Robot Lord of Tokyo]

he's the guy from NIN, right?

Yep!

[TheTravis!]

But too many people have no idea what Rock means. They kept throwing out punk bands or Folk singers like Dylan.

This statement makes me think YOU don't know what Rock means.

[Thudpucker]

Well, then it becomes a question of semantics. I'd argue that (early) punk is more in line with rock than most bands that are classified as rock. Regardless, that was a great thread.

And Metal is debatable. ;)

Yea, it's all in where you draw lines, and everyone picks thier own boundries. Me included. I saw a 'top 100 Rock stars' list with Aretha Franklin as #2 once.

..... personally that kills me. But it's not wrong I guess, because who can really say she wasn't? It's all interpretation.

[who cares?]

Rock is Pink Floyd, The Stones, The Who, Rush, AC / DC, ect. It's called 'classic' Rock, but you know what Rock is if you think about it. It's Rock.


s'what i listen to every night at work, at least for now.... :cool:

that radio station plays quite a lot of stuff besides what you mentioned... they play stuff like The Doors, The Eagles, Crosby, Stills and Nash (and Young), etc as well......

[Thudpucker]

This statement makes me think YOU don't know what Rock means.

Oh yea? Well :blurp:

[TheTravis!]

Oh yea? Well :blurp:

Is that the "licking taint" emoticon? That's new.

[amy]

oh, shit, sorry about that......... :Oops:

i dont read this board enough......


you weren't the first on this board to do that and I'm positive you won't be the last. It's a rather nongender specific name I know, but there is already Amy so I stick with P.D.

[Thudpucker]

Since when is punk and metal not rock? Was there a commintee vote that I wasn't invited to?

Yes. You were never supposed to find out. Sorry.

[princess phoenix]

Are you being facetious are do you really mean to split hairs over this? Because, when I go to Sam Goody's rock section, I'll never find Aretha Franklin but I will most definatly find punk and metal bands. Hell, before the punk bands knew what "punk" was they called themselves rock.

[TheTravis!]

Wait, is Thudpucker being facetious about splitting hairs over what is rock or does he really mean this shit?
I find it best to just walk away from it slowly.

[Thudpucker]

Wait, is Thudpucker being facetious about splitting hairs over what is rock or does he really mean this shit?

I mean this shit. You define it how you want, but to me Rock is always going to be a certian sound. And stuff like NIN or Radiohead? Not it.

[PeterSparker]

This statement makes me think YOU don't know what Rock means.

Thank you!


thats what I was finding so funny

[Seltzer Water]

Holy chinchillafucker!!!
I forgot Rivers Cuomo

[Thudpucker]

Thank you!


thats what I was finding so funny

This ones yours: :blurp:

[princess phoenix]

I mean this shit. You define it how you want, but to me Rock is always going to be a certian sound. And stuff like NIN or Radiohead? Not it.
So when there is a Radiohead album behind you and someone asks you to throw them "that rock album" you just look at them with a blank face? Because I one day could decide that pens aren't writing utensils, it doesn't necceasarily make it true unless you live in some kind of Phillip K. Dick society where how you define words control the nature of the world.

I mean, you could say that NIN and Radiohead is bad rock music, but to say it's not Rock makes you sound like a pedanitc ass.


ETA: plus, you missed my edit from before, thud;


Because, when I go to Sam Goody's rock section, I'll never find Aretha Franklin but I will most definatly find punk and metal bands. Hell, before the punk bands knew what "punk" was they called themselves rock.

[Smokinblues]

well the thread title is musicians.

and it's a damn shame bb king hasn't been listed yet.

robert cray

you can say rock is british all you want, but it was all inspired by our blues, even if you use your hair thin definition for "rock".

[mike black]

Yea, it's all in where you draw lines, and everyone picks thier own boundries. Me included. I saw a 'top 100 Rock stars' list with Aretha Franklin as #2 once.

..... personally that kills me. But it's not wrong I guess, because who can really say she wasn't? It's all interpretation.

It's true. You say rock is british, and I personally say that it's American by nature. Mixture of blues and country, boy-o. Made by black men in the 30's so white men in the 50's could get rich off of it. ;)

[amy]

It's true. You say rock is british, and I personally say that it's American by nature. Mixture of blues and country, boy-o. Made by black men in the 30's so white men in the 50's could get rich off of it. ;)


agreed.

[Thudpucker]

So when there is a Radiohead album behind you and someone asks you to throw them "that rock album" you just look at them with a blank face? Because I one day could decide that pens aren't writing utensils, it doesn't necceasarily make it true.

I mean, you could say that NIN and Radiohead is bad rock music, but to say it's not Rock makes you sound like a pedanitc ass.


ETA: plus, you missed my edit from before, thud;

Define it how you want. You missed when I said that ;)

Not going to lose sleep over it. Music sounds a certian way to me, I don't think everything loosly based on rock is Rock. Because otherwise why not call everything Rythem and Blues? Because that's what it all comes from.

But Travis Trit and the Dixie Chicks in with New Order and the Cure if you want. But I hear enough of a difference to seperate them into subcatagories in my head, even uf you don't *shrug*

[mike black]

Since when is punk and metal not rock? Was there a commintee vote that I wasn't invited to?

He's talking about them being their own entities. I define punk as rock, but I don't believe metal is. If anything, I'd wager it's the ugly step sister of rock born of their mother blues.

Remember, metal came from an English band playing blues music with a "scary sound". ;)

Punk and rock did some wierd inbreeding and came out with the retarded step child called Psychobilly. Metal just went off on it's own and had kids with everyone from punk (Grindcore, Thrash) to folk (half the metal bands around now a days,) to classical (YNGWIE!). Occasionally it felated itself (Death Metal) and the mutant semen did the same (Black Metal). Every so often it did something wierd like have anal sex with electronica (industrial,) or with that haggard old man down the street, psychedelica (bands ranging from Today Is The Day to Sigh).

[mike black]

It's true. Every town has a Rock station. And they don't play stuff like Nirvana, Talking Heads, or Tina Turner. They don't. Because it's not Rock.

Rock is Pink Floyd, The Stones, The Who, Rush, AC / DC, ect. It's called 'classic' Rock, but you know what Rock is if you think about it. It's Rock.

Beatles are borderline. Rock and Roll (Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry ect) is too old. Bands like Metalica also borderline, but I personally consider Metal seperate from Rock.

America has some great ones. Hendrix, Tom Petty, The Doors, Springsteen (even though he is more like Dylan than not, he's very mellow). CSNY. Not saying the US don't have any. But compared to the UK? That tiny little Island produced more than we did. Rock isn't 'American', it's British.

98 Rock here in Tampa plays more metal (Metallica,) than it does classic rock. And our local Classic Rock station (102.5 The BONE) plays Alice In Chains. Go figure. I prefer public radio. ;)

[princess phoenix]

Define it how you want. You missed when I said that ;)

Not going to lose sleep over it. Music sounds a certian way to me, I don't think everything loosly based on rock is Rock. Because otherwise why not call everything Rythem and Blues? Because that's what it all comes from.

But Travis Trit and the Dixie Chicks in with New Order and the Cure if you want. But I hear enough of a difference to seperate them into subcatagories in my head, even uf you don't *shrug*
Isn't that what sub-genres are for? :confused:

[Thudpucker]

It's true. You say rock is british, and I personally say that it's American by nature. Mixture of blues and country, boy-o. Made by black men in the 30's so white men in the 50's could get rich off of it. ;)

Country comes from rythem and blues too though, bluegrass and jazz, it all has common roots. And since Rock and Roll came from that, and Rock from that, yes - you could say it all is American.

But the specific, narrow sound of music I like to call 'rock'? Britian ownes it. When the Beatles carved away from 'rock and roll' and the Stones followed they made it thier own. No American band of the era even came close to Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, or Black Sabbath. The British Rock of that time is head and shoulders above the US contempories. That's why I consider 'rock' to be British. We may have influenced them originally, but they took it, made it thier own, and soon were influencing us.

[princess phoenix]

What about Alternative Rock? Should people just start calling it "alternative" now, because it's not really rock? Should Rock and Roll just be called "Roll"?

[Thudpucker]

What about Alternative Rock? Should people just start calling it "alternative" now, because it's not really rock? Should Rock and Roll just be called "Roll"?

I have no idea what 'alternative' rock is.

Is R.E.M. 'alternative'? Midnight Oil, The Smiths, The Cure, New Order, Psychadelic Furs, Talking Heads, XTC, ect?

[princess phoenix]

I have no idea what 'alternative' rock is.

Is R.E.M. 'alternative'? Midnight Oil, The Smiths, The Cure, New Order, Psychadelic Furs, Talking Heads, XTC, ect?
For someone so authoritive on what "rock" is, you sure don't know alot about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock

[mike black]

Country comes from rythem and blues too though, bluegrass and jazz, it all has common roots. And since Rock and Roll came from that, and Rock from that, yes - you could say it all is American.

But the specific, narrow sound of music I like to call 'rock'? Britian ownes it. When the Beatles carved away from 'rock and roll' and the Stones followed they made it thier own. No American band of the era even came close to Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, or Black Sabbath. The British Rock of that time is head and shoulders above the US contempories. That's why I consider 'rock' to be British. We may have influenced them originally, but they took it, made it thier own, and soon were influencing us.

Country is the Americanization of traditional folk, and pre-dates blues, Thud. ;)

And Blue Oyster Cult!

[Thudpucker]

For someone so authoritive on what "rock" is, you sure don't know alot about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock

:rofl: :rofl:

You seem to have a problem with the way I classify music for myself. Very, very odd. But I thank you. You are just so darn spunky and misguidedly arguementative, it's a great deal of fun to read.

Mike and I have both said these are just personal opinions, more than once. I'm talking about how I consider music. For me. For my own use. I'm not telling you how you should view it, even though you refuse to get that.

Is there any other things you would like to insist I make my opinions over in your image on? Food? Fashion? Taste in novels?

too funny :lol:

[princess phoenix]

If you we where arguing over a matter of taste, (like whatever you consider NIN to be GOOD rock music or BAD rock music) I wouldn't have a leg to stand on...but right now we are arguing something that has a set definition which, no matter how much you would like it to be, does not change if one would like it. As I said before, I am as free as I want to not consider pens as a writing utensil, but that doesn't mean that everyone around me wouldn't think of me as a pedantic ass.

I mean seriously man, I have Wikipedia, All Music Guide, Rolling Stone, and the dictionary on my side. What do you have, your classic rock station?

[Thudpucker]

Country is the Americanization of traditional folk, and pre-dates blues, Thud. ;)

And Blue Oyster Cult!

Depends on how you define 'country' ;-)

But there is a common root to all of that music, and it's about 150-200 years old. It was all the broad catagory of 'folk' music from various European Countries until people were here long enough to give it a sound different enough to call unique.

Blues is also the 'Americanization' of traditional folk, it came from slaves singing spiritual music and mixing chants from thier native languages with the folk music they heard around them. Blues in turn influenced the folk music of the times, especially Bluegrass which inspired the sound that 'Country' music has today. Jazz, Rock and Roll, western.

'Country' music as we know it doesn't really predate blues. It was all 'folk' music and country and blues formed from it at about the same time.

[Thudpucker]

If you we where arguing over a matter of taste, (like whatever you consider NIN to be GOOD rock music or BAD rock music) I wouldn't have a leg to stand on...but right now we are arguing something that has a set definition which, no matter how much you would like it to be, does not change if one would like it. As I said before, I am as free as I want to not consider pens as a writing utensil, but that doesn't mean that everyone around me wouldn't think of me as a pedantic ass.

I mean seriously man, I have Wikipedia, All Music Guide, Rolling Stone, and the dictionary on my side. What do you have, your classic rock station?

You consider the subcatagories to be insignificant parts of the whole. I consider them to be important catagories that stand on thier own.

If this tweaks the hairs on your butt, learn to live with it ;)

[princess phoenix]

I like how you answered the post I made an hour ago and did not adress the one you where quoting at all.

[Thudpucker]

I like how you answered the post I made an hour ago and did not adress the one you where quoting at all.

Glad you like it :)

[princess phoenix]

Hey, you still didn't respond to my most recent post! I'll take that as a sign of you trying to avoid the fact that you know I'm right.

[Thudpucker]

Hey, you still didn't! I'll take that as a sign of you trying to avoid the fact that you know I'm right.

which post do you mean? the 'alternative' one?

If that's the label of choice for that 'sound', then ok. The music is different enough to desearve it's own label and I guess that's it.

I hope you realize that at some point someone once said "you know, that music sounds different. It should be called something". That's how these 'labels' come about. It's just a tool to define and organize, so that people know what they are talking about.

If someone asks "what kind of music do you like?" you shouldn't have to name a bunch of bands. You should be able to say a word and have that define the sound. That's what definitions do. They define. It's a good thing. Not bad but good.

If I say I like 'Rock', and you instantly think "oh, he's a NIN fan" we are having a miscommunication. Because I do not. That's why subcatagories exist like "metal", "punk", "alternative", "rock", and why people use them. Because the words mean different things.

Awhile ago 'Rock' was redefined to be 'classic rock'. But I am old. It was just 'rock' when Van Halen and Floyd were new and when I was listening to it. And I have refused to stop calling it that even though others may resent that.

If you don't get this, or refuse to get this, I'm sorry. Because I am now fairly bored of the conversation and am going to move on now.

[princess phoenix]

which post do you mean? the 'alternative' one?

The one you fucking quoted, where I pointed out that you can't change a definition of a word on a fucking whim and then called you for the second time a pedantic ass.


I hope you realize that at some point someone once said "you know, that music sounds different. It should be called something". That's how these 'labels' come about. It's just a tool to define and organize, so that people know what they are talking about.

No, I never realised that. Thank you for talking down to my low, low level to reveal that information to me. If you excuse me, I will now go bang two rocks together to make fire.



If someone asks "what kind of music do you like?" you shouldn't have to name a bunch of bands. You should be able to say a word and have that define the sound.

Why the fuck not?



If I say I like 'Rock', and you instantly think "oh, he's a NIN fan" we are having a miscommunication. Because I do not. That's why subcatagories exist like "metal", "punk", "alternative", "rock", and why people use them. Because the words mean different things.

Awhile ago 'Rock' was redefined to be 'classic rock'. But I am old. It was just 'rock' when Van Halen and Floyd were new and when I was listening to it. And I have refused to stop calling it that even though others may resent that.
But through the years, the genre of rock, and thus the word "rock" has evolved to the point that to refer to "rock" as just belonging to your narrow parameters would make it a misnomer. If you want to be a bitter codger about it, go ahead and knock yourself out, maybe I'll join in the fun and only refer to Early Renaissance art as "Renaissance Art" and mock those who dare to call art that comes later in the era as "Renaissance" (philistines, they just don't get it)

[Thudpucker]

The one you fucking quoted, where I pointed out that you can't change a definition of a word on a fucking whim

You can't. I can.


No, I never realised that. Thank you for talking down to my low, low level to reveal that information to me. If you excuse me, I will now go bang two rocks together to make fire.

I suggest a rock and a piece of steel instead of two rocks.



Why the fuck not?

Indeed.


But through the years, the genre of rock, and thus the word "rock" has evolved to the point that to refer to "rock" as just belonging to your narrow view point would make it a misnomer. If you want to be a bitter codger about it, go ahead and knock yourself out, maybe I'll join in the fun and only refer to Early Renaissance art as "Renaissance Art" and mock those who dare to call art that comes later in the era as "Renaissance" (philistines)

Indeed.

[andrew french]

a lot of the good music is coming from canada right now

[mike black]

Hey, you still didn't respond to my most recent post! I'll take that as a sign of you trying to avoid the fact that you know I'm right.

Well he's not going to answer it, he's a democrat and will skirt the issue as long as possible (I KID! I KID! I love you Thud...)

He's saying, though, that his opinion is that they arn't rock. You don't have to attack his opinion (I disagree with him, but it's his opinion.)

I'd wager that this should end, because it's degenerating into nothing. ;)

If either of you want to talk further about it, let's take it to a new thread and chill out. Because I will school you both in rock knowledge. For I am St. Vitus (lie, but they're a great band), given the title patron of rock music by internet jesus (lie) who has granted me purview over all musical discussions (lie, he told me I was dumb because I like Faith No More.)

(lie).

[mike black]

a lot of the good music is coming from canada right now
:ban:

[Justin.Strange]

recently had a conversation with someone about the fact that all good musicians come from the UK.... while i'd say that i'm a big fan of a lot of UK musicians, i still insisted that there are many talented american musicians as well, giving Jimi Hendrix as an example (first one i could think of....)


so list some more.......

do me a favor and slap your friend with a vinyl copy of a Johnny Cash album for me. thanks brah!

[Justin.Strange]

a lot of the good music is coming from canada right now

who? Nickelback?

[mike black]

do me a favor and slap your friend with a vinyl copy of a Johnny Cash album for me. thanks brah!

Or a Waylon Jennings/Shooter Jennings/Merle Haggard/Death/Megadeth/Misfits/Down/Faith No More/Acid Bath/Blue Oyster Cult/Tiger Army/Elvis/Reverend Horton Heat album.

[Thudpucker]

Well he's not going to answer it, he's a democrat and will skirt the issue as long as possible (I KID! I KID! I love you Thud...)


:heart:

And yea, it was fun to play around but I'm done.

[andrew french]

the arcade fire for one.

edit: i realized i won't be much help here. i HATE pink floyd, led zepplin, nirvana, the rolling stones, the doors, AC/DC, and all that crap.

so disregard me please.

[Caley Tibbittz]

Tori Amos.

[mike black]

:heart:

And yea, it was fun to play around but I'm done.

Some other time, we'll get me, you, despair, hoffman, Kraken, King of Mars, GetHigh, and a few others....We'll have us a big as fucking music thread.

[Justin.Strange]

the arcade fire for one.

they're from Canada? didnt know that...

[andrew french]

they're from Canada? didnt know that...

montreal i think, so french canada even.

[who cares?]

they're from Canada? didnt know that...

Montreal

QUEBEC!

even worse than canada

[andrew french]

Montreal

QUEBEC!

even worse than canada

i want to live in montreal, or at least quebec.

[princess phoenix]

Well he's not going to answer it, he's a democrat and will skirt the issue as long as possible (I KID! I KID! I love you Thud...)

He's saying, though, that his opinion is that they arn't rock. You don't have to attack his opinion (I disagree with him, but it's his opinion.)

I'd wager that this should end, because it's degenerating into nothing. ;)

If either of you want to talk further about it, let's take it to a new thread and chill out. Because I will school you both in rock knowledge. For I am St. Vitus (lie, but they're a great band), given the title patron of rock music by internet jesus (lie) who has granted me purview over all musical discussions (lie, he told me I was dumb because I like Faith No More.)

(lie).
Here is what is blowing my mind about this; we are talking about what Rock music IS. This isn't a matter of opionion, it is that nature of a THING. We are arguing the nature of something that has already been defined, there should be no argument, just a quick look-up of the word in the dictionary/wikipedia/AMG and then gloating about whoever is right.

The matter of opinion has absolutly no authority over the issue. It's absurb to think it does.

[who cares?]

i want to live in montreal, or at least quebec.

i like being a prick about it and all, but Quebec is really a lot more close to the European culture/lifestyle and that's good in many ways.......


it's really tough to find a job there though and financial conditions in the province arent that great right now...

plus, if the whole separation thing is really going to happen, Quebec's going to hell...........

[andrew french]

i like being a prick about it and all, but Quebec is really a lot more close to the European culture/lifestyle and that's good in many ways.......


it's really tough to find a job there though and financial conditions in the province arent that great right now...

plus, if the whole separation thing is really going to happen, Quebec's going to hell...........

yeah, i just imagine that since i like french culture, and the idea of canada, i'll love quebec.

[who cares?]

yeah, i just imagine that since i like french culture, and the idea of canada, i'll love quebec.

it's a great place to go on vacation.......

but living there.... like i said, the financial and political situation isnt that rosy....


(then again, that's turning into shit pretty much everywhere in the world....)

[andrew french]

it's a great place to go on vacation.......

but living there.... like i said, the financial and political situation isnt that rosy....


(then again, that's turning into shit pretty much everywhere in the world....)

understood.

do you know any french?

[The Roman Candle]

Jack White.

[who cares?]

understood.

do you know any french?

yes, i do

i can understand i'd say about 80% of reading/watching/hearing something.... speaking and writing less than that, but i'd say enough for my needs.......

[andrew french]

yes, i do

i can understand i'd say about 80% of reading/watching/hearing something.... speaking and writing less than that, but i'd say enough for my needs.......

ah bon? il faut que tu parles francais plus de temp. je ne connais pas beaucoup de personnes qui aussi le parle.

[who cares?]

ah bon? il faut que tu parles francais plus de temp. je ne connais pas beaucoup de personnes qui aussi le parle.

au contraire

j'apprende l'allemande et l'anglais au romanie (avant de venir au canada), mais quand je venu au canada, je commence le francais....

je crois que tu peu voir mon gramaire n'est pas tres bon....

[andrew french]

au contraire

j'apprende l'allemande et l'anglais au romanie (avant de venir au canada), mais quand je venu au canada, je commence le francais....

je crois que tu peu voir mon gramaire n'est pas tres bon....

ah, je compris, je compris.

mais, je suis sur que tu as meilleur gramaire que moi.

[mike black]

Here is what is blowing my mind about this; we are talking about what Rock music IS. This isn't a matter of opionion, it is that nature of a THING. We are arguing the nature of something that has already been defined, there should be no argument, just a quick look-up of the word in the dictionary/wikipedia/AMG and then gloating about whoever is right.

The matter of opinion has absolutly no authority over the issue. It's absurb to think it does.

See, that's where I think your wrong.

Take a band like Amorphis. They're supposed to be a death metal band, but are really just (imo) a hard rock band. What we're saying is that what you hear is subjective. He's looking at rock in a traditional view, and puk/metal as a different beast entirely. I disagree, but I see where he's coming from. Atleast he's giving those genres the respect they deserve, he just doesn't feel their Rock N' Roll. He also said that he feels "rock" started with The Beatles, where I disagree (Elvis). It's his opinion that the sound we're talking about is what we would consider Classic Rock. He'd refer to Elvis as rockabilly.

Get me?

[who cares?]

ah, je compris, je compris.

mais, je suis sur que tu as meilleur gramaire que moi.

je prende le forme de base pour un mot, mais je oublier plus de les regles pour la conjugation..... le francais a un grammaire tres complique, au plus si tu n'avait pas l'occasion pour le pratiquer... maintenant c'est le premier fois qui j'eccrit en francais pour 2 1/2 ans.....

[TopFeeg]

Ok, You're also forgetting the whole Jam-era of Rock Music, all spawning from America. Grateful Dead, Phish, Widespread Panic, Bela Fleck, etc. If you want to talk Musicianship and musicians, There you go!

But other Quite good, notable American Musicians.
Dave Grohl,
All of Ozzy's Guitarists,
Lynyrd Skynnyrd (I don't really like them personally, but they could play for hours)

And I'd say Scandenavia is kicking our ass on the Metal front.
Also, the Y from CSNY is Candian, and the N is English, so, CSNY is moot point.

[andrew french]

je prende le forme de base pour un mot, mais je oublier plus de les regles pour la conjugation..... le francais a un grammaire tres complique, au plus si tu n'avait pas l'occasion pour le pratiquer... maintenant c'est le premier fois qui j'eccrit en francais pour 2 1/2 ans.....

ah ouais? mais, je compris. fortunatement, j'ai des amis qui parlent francais de temp de temp. mais, seriousement, tu es bien.

[TheTravis!]

You know what bugs me?

When people can't stop fucking shoving music into little cubbyholes long enough to sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and actually listen to it.

Who gives a fuck what genre it's in. If it blows your fucking hair back, listen to it. Otherwise, don't.

Edit: Sorry. I came over all cranky just now. I still love you all.

Edit 2: I also hate the French.

[who cares?]

ah ouais? mais, je compris. fortunatement, j'ai des amis qui parlent francais de temp de temp. mais, seriousement, tu es bien.

merci, tu ausi... c'est bon que tu as des gens pour parler....

j'ai un amis qui parle le francais TRES bien.... elle a partis au france pour 3 mois pour un echange.... mais malhereusement, je ne vu elle beaucoup de temp.... elle va a universite maintenant et je travaille pour ces mois, jusq'a septembre (quand je aussi aller au universite)... elle est tres occupe avec sons ettudes....

[who cares?]

Edit 2: I also hate the French.

i'm not gonna hold it against you or anything, but i love a lot of aspects about the french culture and france is probably on my #1 list of places i'd like to go to......

[TheTravis!]

i'm not gonna hold it against you or anything, but i love a lot of aspects about the french culture and france is probably on my #1 list of places i'd like to go to......

Who cares?

Edit: I am also kidding about the hating the French.

[who cares?]

Who cares?

Edit: I am also kidding about the hating the French.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4440/daredevilsig26ir.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

(you're old enough that you should remember that....)

[Justin.Strange]

merci, tu ausi... c'est bon que tu as des gens pour parler....

j'ai un amis qui parle le francais TRES bien.... elle a partis au france pour 3 mois pour un echange.... mais malhereusement, je ne vu elle beaucoup de temp.... elle va a universite maintenant et je travaille pour ces mois, jusq'a septembre (quand je aussi aller au universite)... elle est tres occupe avec sons ettudes....

<Willy>Bonjoouuuuurrrrrrrrrr! You cheese eating surrender monkeys!</Willy>

[Natty P]

Asinine

[Natty P]

merci, tu ausi... c'est bon que tu as des gens pour parler....

j'ai un amis qui parle la français TRèS bien.... elle est partie en france pour 3 mois pour un echange.... mais malhereusement, je ne vu elle beaucoup de temp.... elle va a universite maintenant et je travaille pour ces mois, jusq'a septembre (quand je aussi irai au universite)... elle est très occupé avec ses études....



Your french sucks.

[bairdduvessa]

Mike Patton
TOOL
Tori Amos
Trent Reznor (love him, hate hi, indeifferent as I am he's very talented composer)
Fionna Apple
Duke Ellington
Dizzy Gilespi
Luis Armstrong
Charlie Parker
Thelonius Monk

and the list goes on and on

[who cares?]

Your french sucks.

exactly what i said......... :roll:

[mlpeters]

The Doors, CCR, Lou Reed... and that's just rock (and what I assume Thud would have to label rock).

Personally I don't like labeling music -- some really good stuff defies labels and some musicians cross labels constantly.

What label would you give Tom Waits, for instance?

[modungo]

J Mascis, Mike Watt, Bill Stevenson, Bob Pollard are all excellent American rock musicians.

If you only accpet answers that fall into what clear channel describes as rock then I submit that CCR and Skynyrd kick all those Brit pussies asses.