Hilary Clinton: Raving loon

[Ray G.]

I can't believe this hasn't been posted here yet. What a twit. MLK must be rolling over in his grave.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10889047/from/RSSGOP anger flares after

Sen. Clinton slams party
N.Y. lawmaker compared GOP-run House to a ‘plantation’

Updated: 1:23 a.m. ET Jan. 18, 2006
NEW YORK - A day after Hillary Clinton blasted the Bush administration and compared the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to a plantation, Republicans said Tuesday that the New York senator was out of line.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said that Clinton “was probably a little over the top,” NBC News reported. He also said that having never run a plantation, he was unsure Clinton was implying, but “if she was trying to be racist, that is unfortunate.”

Clinton said on Monday had said Bush’s administration was “one of the worst” in U.S. history and said the House “has been run like a plantation, and you know what I’m talking about.”

She said the House “has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard.”

White House spokesperson Scott McClellan said Tuesday that Clinton was “out of bounds.”

Former Vice President Al Gore also attacked Republicans on Monday, calling Bush’s domestic wiretap program “a threat to the very structure of our government.”

Asked about the criticism coming from the two high-profile Democrats on the same day, McClellan said, “Well, I think we know, one tends to like or enjoy grabbing headlines; the other one — sounds like the political season may be starting early.”

Clinton is running for re-election this year.

Clinton apologizes on behalf of government
Speaking during a Martin Luther King Jr. Day event, Clinton offered an apology to a group of Hurricane Katrina survivors “on behalf of a government that left you behind, that turned its back on you.”

Her remarks were met with thunderous applause by a mostly black audience at the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem.

“We have a culture of corruption, we have cronyism, we have incompetence,” she said. “I predict to you that this administration will go down in history as one of the worst that has ever governed our country.”

RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt said: “On a day when Americans are focused on the legacy of Martin Luther King, Hillary Clinton is focused on the legacy of Hillary Clinton.”

© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[ihategravity]

The only contraversial thing she said was the plantation owners thing. She went too far with that.

But everything else that she said is exactly how I feel about the Bush Administration.

I'm still not voting for the icey queen bitch.

[glk]

But she's right in saying, “has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard.” Just a really poor choice of words. I'm not a big fan of hers and it's really lame in what she said. But that doesn't mean she was entirely wrong. The Bush administration is one of the worst in history.

[Brian Defferding]

You hear that?

That's the sound of the all the office-holding Democrats slapping the back of Hillary's head.

[half guard]

overheard on the radio the other day: "hilary clinton owes her seat in congress to monica lewinsky."

[RebootedCorpse]

Good for her.

[Gregory]

It went over badly when Newt said the EXACT same thing in 1993.

[Ray G.]

Good for her.

Yes! She's speaking truth to power! Thank God she exposed the dark secret of the Bush administration using slaves to do clerical work! Just like on the plantation! Maybe Ted Rall will do a cartoon of it, and bring truth to the masses!

[RebootedCorpse]

It went over badly when Newt said the EXACT same thing in 1993.
Except Newt has fond memories of plantation life. Back when "those people" knew thei place.

[Ryan F]

Yeah, I'm not crazy about the plantation analogy, but actual content-wise, it's one of the more sensible things she's said in a while (since she's been so busy with her stupid flag burning ban shit.)

[RebootedCorpse]

Yes! She's speaking truth to power! Thank God she exposed the dark secret of the Bush administration using slaves to do clerical work! Just like on the plantation! Maybe Ted Rall will do a cartoon of it, and bring truth to the masses!
I believe the term she used was "like a plantation." Not an actual plantation, you see.
...sigh...

[ihategravity]

Yes! She's speaking truth to power! Thank God she exposed the dark secret of the Bush administration using slaves to do clerical work! Just like on the plantation! Maybe Ted Rall will do a cartoon of it, and bring truth to the masses!

When it comes to people (Blacks) opposing the Bush Administration (Whites) the BA responds with total disrespect, and ignores opposition to the point where they do anything they want even if it's illegal.

I hope you understand this a little bit more.

Edit: I think that this was the wrong way and time to voice her opinion in this way, but AT LEAST I understand what the hell she means.

[Jef UK]

Meh. A poor analogy, sure, but she's right to heap more ridicule upon this administration. And I don't see how her remark is rascist.

[Generic Poster]

The plantation thing was ridiculous, offensive and condescending. On the cronyism and corruption, I agree with her.

[Jef UK]

I can't believe this hasn't been posted here yet.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10889047/from/RSSGOP anger flares after

Because no one seems to care, nor is it that big of a guffaw, if a guffaw at all.

[RebootedCorpse]

Meh. A poor analogy, sure, but she's right to heap more ridicule upon this administration. And I don't see how her remark is rascist.
It's not. This is just people who have no understanding of what racism actually is attacking Sen. Clinton.

[Ray G.]

When it comes to people (Blacks) opposing the Bush Administration (Whites) the BA responds with total disrespect, and ignores opposition to the point where they do anything they want even if it's illegal.

I hope you understand this a little bit more.

This administration has put more African-Americans in high-up positions than any administration in history. The arguments used to cry racism are specious at best.

And suppression of opinions and cronyism are hardly symbolic of plantations. She was race-baiting, pure and simple.

[Ray G.]

It's not. This is just people who have no understanding of what racism actually is attacking Sen. Clinton.

I'm not calling her a racist. I'm calling her a race-baiter.

[ihategravity]

This administration has put more African-Americans in high-up positions than any administration in history. The arguments used to cry racism are specious at best.

And suppression of opinions and cronyism are hardly symbolic of plantations. She was race-baiting, pure and simple.

From my understanding, she isn't saying that the BA is racist. She's saying that they are arrogant, opinionated, unflinching, abusive, lying leaders for the country.

The rest is supporting the argument for the BA being those things. NOT RACIST!!!!!!!!

[WinterRose]

There's plenty of stuff wrong with Mrs. Clinton. This however is pretty low on the totem pole of suck that encompasses her worldview.

[Brad N.]

say, why not take a look here (hat tip to Atrios) :

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22democratic+plantation%22

Now, as was also pointed out earlier Gingrich said almost word for word the same thing in 1993 and 1994 talking about the Democrats. How many times have Limbaugh and others on the conservative side claimed that Dems NEED the keep the blacks on the liberal plantation to get re-elected? HUNDREDS! Also, not to mention as Rev. Al Sharpton (who was there that night with Clinton) said last night on Hardball she was responding directly to a question posed to her. It wasn't like out of nowhere she just went off about feeling like some kind of slave on a plantation. Although Hilary had her moments on MLK day it was Al Gore who was spot on that day. His speech showed pure passion and exactly what we liberals need to take this country back from cronies and capitalists who care about nothing more than lining their own pockets and those of their pals in big oil and pharma. Now, if only he had spoken this way when he ran for president (and had a better running mate than that maroon Lieberman) and maybe he would have won the election...oh wait, that's right, he did. Hmmm, strange.

[joeyart]

This administration has put more African-Americans in high-up positions than any administration in history. The arguments used to cry racism are specious at best.

And suppression of opinions and cronyism are hardly symbolic of plantations. She was race-baiting, pure and simple.

and yet one numerous occassions they've declined meetings with the NAACP. Boggles the mind sometimes....

[Ryan F]

I'm not calling her a racist. I'm calling her a race-baiter.

So, if you want to talk about the fundamental racial inequalities in this country (which are INCREASING under Bush in many areas after decreasing under Clinton), you're a race-baiter?

[Ray G.]

and yet one numerous occassions they've declined meetings with the NAACP. Boggles the mind sometimes....

The NAACP is a wholly bought and owned subsidiary of the Democratic party, just like a lot of other "advocacy" groups in this country. Their former leader(in charge at the time Bush was running) has venomously denounced the administration, and is currently running for Senate against a Black Republican in Maryland. His campaign has been sending people to pelt his opponent with Oreos. Nice, huh?

[Cth]

So, she's saying the minority can't get ther agenda passed? You mean democracy actually works like a democracy should?

Wow, a newsflash worthy of Drudge :)

Either way, I believe that all plantation residents were duly elected to be there, so the comparison is completely valid, IMO :D

[Seltzer Water]

and yet one numerous occassions they've declined meetings with the NAACP. Boggles the mind sometimes....

They have declined meetings with the NAACP but have met with various other African American organizations. The NAACP was almost denied tax-exempt status because of the liberal partisan stances taken by Julian Bond as well as his attacks on the Bush administration. Sorry that example doesn't work

[joeyart]

They have declined meetings with the NAACP but have met with various other African American organizations. The NAACP was almost denied tax-exempt status because of the liberal partisan stances taken by Julian Bond as well as his attacks on the Bush administration. Sorry that example doesn't work

such as?

[joeyart]

The NAACP is a wholly bought and owned subsidiary of the Democratic party, just like a lot of other "advocacy" groups in this country. Their former leader(in charge at the time Bush was running) has venomously denounced the administration, and is currently running for Senate against a Black Republican in Maryland. His campaign has been sending people to pelt his opponent with Oreos. Nice, huh?

yes, I know how radical republicans view the ideas of equality and such...

Oreos? Well...it's certainly not tasteful...(pun!)

[Ray G.]

yes, I know how radical republicans view the ideas of equality and such...

Oreos? Well...it's certainly not tasteful...(pun!)

Radicals on all sides disgust me.

I've said this several times, and I do not consider Bush a radical.

[NickT]

It's not. This is just people who have no understanding of what racism actually is attacking Sen. Clinton.
How do you feel about Jon Stewart mocking her on the Daily Show?

[joeyart]

Radicals on all sides disgust me.

I've said this several times, and I do not consider Bush a radical.

huh. I think your idea of a radical and mine differ...because I've heard you spout some stuff that seems radicalish.

[Seltzer Water]

such as?

National Urban League as well as state organizations in Indiana and Pennsylvania.

[Generic Poster]

Radicals on all sides disgust me.

I've said this several times, and I do not consider Bush a radical.


Who on the right would you consider a radical? If you compare Bush's policies to say, Nixon, Nixon looks like the hippiest hippy ever in comparison.

[Seltzer Water]

So how do you feel about Jon Stewart mocking her on the Daily Show?

Jon Stewart is Jewish and runs Hollywood

[joeyart]

National Urban League as well as state organizations in Indiana and Pennsylvania.

and they met with them for Katrina stuff? Or to talk about issues of race?

[En Sabah Poo]

huh. I think your idea of a radical and mine differ...because I've heard you spout some stuff that seems radicalish.

When it comes to the Bush administration, Ray is the epitome of a radical, he follows them blindly based upon one sole issue, disregarding everything else.

As far as Hilary's comments go, eh, big whoop. It's not a great thing to say, but afterall, they are just words. It's not like she ignored thousands of dying and suffering black people in her own country after a natural disaster. Now that would just be stupid.

[Seltzer Water]

Who on the right would you consider a radical? If you compare Bush's policies to say, Nixon, Nixon looks like the hippiest hippy ever in comparison.

Nixon today would most closely be considered a maverick Republican. When racial reform failed in th federal court system, Nixon pushed a lot of our current civil rights laws through his administration. Nixon was known for his expansive foreign policy.

If only he wasn't paranoid like Batman

[Seltzer Water]

and they met with them for Katrina stuff? Or to talk about issues of race?

Issues of race prior to the 2004 election. I have no idea about post-Katrina

[stevapalooza]

In other news, Iran is makin nukes deep under ground where bombers can't hurt em.

[En Sabah Poo]

In other news, Iran is makin nukes deep under ground where bombers can't hurt em.

Quit keeping your eye on the ball. The focus of the war on terror should be solely targeted at discrediting the left.

[Ryan F]

Radicals on all sides disgust me.

I've said this several times, and I do not consider Bush a radical.

I think your perspective is a bit skewed. In most countries, Hillary would be considered center-right (see "flag burning legislation") and you would be considered on the extreme right.

Not sure where Hillary got this "radical" tag. I think it has a lot to do with her being a powerful woman.

[Seltzer Water]

If Ray is extreme right, does that put me and the dude with me in my sig so far right that we are extreme left?

[Ryan F]

If Ray is extreme right, does that put me and the dude with me in my sig so far right that we are extreme left?

If you're on the same page as that dude with you in the pic, then yes...you are off the scale. :)

[En Sabah Poo]

If Ray is extreme right, does that put me and the dude with me in my sig so far right that we are extreme left?

Nah, there's a difference between being very liberal or very conservative, and being extreme on either side. I'm very liberal, but I'm not an extremist. An extremist will be one who will tell you what you can and can't say or do, such as you can't say anything bad about Bush or you can't say anything bad about animals or minorities. The analogy ain't perfect, but you get my drift.

[Seltzer Water]

If you're on the same page as that dude with you in the pic, then yes...you are off the scale. :)

Viva Castro!

[Ryan F]

Viva Castro!

Does this mean that Bush and Chavez should make up and be buddies?

I think it does.

[Ray G.]

Nah, there's a difference between being very liberal or very conservative, and being extreme on either side. I'm very liberal, but I'm not an extremist. An extremist will be one who will tell you what you can and can't say or do, such as you can't say anything bad about Bush or you can't say anything bad about animals or minorities. The analogy ain't perfect, but you get my drift.

And I suppose you think I qualify. :roll:

[Ray G.]

Quit keeping your eye on the ball. The focus of the war on terror should be solely targeted at discrediting the left.

If it comes down to war with Iran, I bet you cash money American that at least a third of Democrats will vote against it unless Iran nukes a US city first. More like half if Bush is still in office.

[En Sabah Poo]

And I suppose you think I qualify. :roll:

Well, you have spoken quite a bit about how people shouldn't be protesting because it only helps the terrorists. There's that.

[TIP]

http://www.evandando.co.uk/images/ray.JPG

T
:wink:

[Ray G.]

I think your perspective is a bit skewed. In most countries, Hillary would be considered center-right (see "flag burning legislation") and you would be considered on the extreme right.

Not sure where Hillary got this "radical" tag. I think it has a lot to do with her being a powerful woman.

A. I don't really care what the political balance is in other countries. In this country, Hilary is a left-wing ideologue with a few opinions that she panders to the right with.

B. No, it doesn't have to do with her being a powerful woman. It has to do with her being a Clinton. She's just as bad as her husband.

[Ray G.]

Well, you have spoken quite a bit about how people shouldn't be protesting because it only helps the terrorists. There's that.

Yes, but have I ever said that they shouldn't be allowed to? You, on the other hand, have said that all guns should be banned.

[Seltzer Water]

Does this mean that Bush and Chavez should make up and be buddies?

I think it does.

We can then share that oil that Chavez is sitting on

[Ryan F]

If it comes down to war with Iran, I bet you cash money American that at least a third of Democrats will vote against it unless Iran nukes a US city first. More like half if Bush is still in office.

Well, if we jump into war before we have adequately collected intelligence, before weapons inspectors have finished inspections that are ongoing, before diplomatic options are expended, and without any plan for after the initial invasion...as all happened in Iraq, then yeah, maybe they should vote against it.

[En Sabah Poo]

Yes, but have I ever said that they shouldn't be allowed to? You, on the other hand, have said that all guns should be banned.

Yes to #1 and for #2, too bad that ain't a constitutional right.

[MattJohnson]

http://www.evandando.co.uk/images/ray.JPG

T
:wink:

What do the Lemonheads have to do with this?

[Ray G.]

Yes to #1 and for #2, too bad that ain't a constitutional right.

1. Quote me.

2. Bull. You want to disarm the American public, which is completely antithecal to the 2nd Amendment. It's kind of ironic, considering you refuse to respect the validity of the 13th Amendment when it comes to the jury system too.

[En Sabah Poo]

1. Quote me.

2. Bull. You want to disarm the American public, which is completely antithecal to the 2nd Amendment. It's kind of ironic, considering you refuse to respect the validity of the 13th Amendment when it comes to the jury system too.

The Supreme Court, in its only decision on gun ownership, declared the 2nd amendment meant use for militia. That's the reason we CAN legislate gun ownership and have done it. Think about it. It's not an inherent constitutional right.

[Ryan F]

A. I don't really care what the political balance is in other countries. In this country, Hilary is a left-wing ideologue with a few opinions that she panders to the right with.

B. No, it doesn't have to do with her being a powerful woman. It has to do with her being a Clinton. She's just as bad as her husband.

Idealogue is an easy word to throw around. I hereby accuse every member of the Bush Administration of being a right-wing idealogue.

She is as bad as her husband though. He's another center-right politician willing to heavily compromise his positions to pander for votes. I'm not a huge fan of the Clintons either.

[TIP]

What do the Lemonheads have to do with this?

Wait for it...it'll come to you.

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[Brad N.]

Whoah, here we go with the damned Oreo myth again. Raydawggie, with all due respect you should do a brief fact check on that Oreo story instead of simply repeating druggie Limbaugh or any of the other right wing talkers. Actually that fella in Maryland is under a bit of fire right now for LYING about the Oreo story completely. Don't believe me? Here...

http://www.citypaper.com/news/printready.asp?id=11150

[NATE!]

Hillary Clinton is one of those people who's been looking in the mirror since 1991 and seeing a President staring back at her. After Bill leaves, she dreams of absolute power. Listening to some of the sound bytes I've heard, she's seriously off kilter.

As far as the comments on the plantation go, yeah it was race baiting, but even more interesting is the apathetic attitude her supporters and Dems are taking towards it. And people say that the Republicans are the only ones who put the party first above everything else.

[Generic Poster]

What do the Lemonheads have to do with this?

Perhaps you recall the title of their big hit?

[NATE!]

http://www.citypaper.com/news/printready.asp?id=11150

Find another link from an actual news website, and I might take it seriously.

[Ray G.]

Whoah, here we go with the damned Oreo myth again. Raydawggie, with all due respect you should do a brief fact check on that Oreo story instead of simply repeating druggie Limbaugh or any of the other right wing talkers. Actually that fella in Maryland is under a bit of fire right now for LYING about the Oreo story completely. Don't believe me? Here...

http://www.citypaper.com/news/printready.asp?id=11150

Hey, all I know is it was posted on this site, from a reputable news site, a while back. That's where I found out about it. I'll edit the link to the thread in in one second.
http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=40747

Dude, it was confirmed by Democratic officials....

[joeyart]

Hillary Clinton is one of those people who's been looking in the mirror since 1991 and seeing a President staring back at her. After Bill leaves, she dreams of absolute power. Listening to some of the sound bytes I've heard, she's seriously off kilter.

As far as the comments on the plantation go, yeah it was race baiting, but even more interesting is the apathetic attitude her supporters and Dems are taking towards it. And people say that the Republicans are the only ones who put the party first above everything else.

she wants to be president. Okay? I've heard a lot of people criticize her and others for that, but seriously, what's so bad about wanting to be president?

I dont' think she dreams of absolute power, nor do I think the presidency is the place to find absolute power. (I'm looking at you GW).

[NATE!]

she wants to be president. Okay? I've heard a lot of people criticize her and others for that, but seriously, what's so bad about wanting to be president?

I dont' think she dreams of absolute power, nor do I think the presidency is the place to find absolute power. (I'm looking at you GW).

You almost sound like your feelings are hurt.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be President. Serving as a Senator only so you can be near the best shops in which you can pick out a new desk for the oval office is.

[joeyart]

You almost sound like your feelings are hurt.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be President. Serving as a Senator only so you can be near the best shops in which you can pick out a new desk for the oval office is.

yes. yes. My feelings. Quite hurt.

I'm sure that's not the only reason she's serving as Senator. But even if it were, I'm not sure I agree with you. It's not like she's been acting against the interests of her constituents.

[NATE!]

yes. yes. My feelings. Quite hurt.

I'm sure that's not the only reason she's serving as Senator. But even if it were, I'm not sure I agree with you. It's not like she's been acting against the interests of her constituents.

Then we disagree. I believe her motives for becoming a Senator were pretty much driven by a want of power. That and to have a stepping stone for the Presidency.

I wouldn't be against the idea of a woman as President. Just not her.

[joeyart]

Then we disagree. I believe her motives for becoming a Senator were pretty much driven by a want of power. That and to have a stepping stone for the Presidency.

I wouldn't be against the idea of a woman as President. Just not her.

Nobody said you would be against the idea....funny that you bring it up....

[NATE!]

Nobody said you would be against the idea....funny that you bring it up....

Oh I know. I just wanted to solidify the point against Hilary.

[joeyart]

Oh I know. I just wanted to solidify the point against Hilary.

I see...
are you in NY? Last I saw her approval ratings were really high. Which to me, signals that she's not just using the Senate as a stepping stone. I'm sure it could mean a lot of things, but if she were doing nothing or if she were just gearing up for the Presidential run, I would think her numbers wouldn't be so high.

[Ray G.]

I see...
are you in NY? Last I saw her approval ratings were really high. Which to me, signals that she's not just using the Senate as a stepping stone. I'm sure it could mean a lot of things, but if she were doing nothing or if she were just gearing up for the Presidential run, I would think her numbers wouldn't be so high.

She talks a good game and is suited for one of the most liberal states in the country. It's the senior Senator, Chuck Schumer, that does most of the work.

[joeyart]

She talks a good game and is suited for one of the most liberal states in the country. It's the senior Senator, Chuck Schumer, that does most of the work.

well, if ray says so....I've got to believe it.
:roll:

[MIKE D]

well, if ray says so....I've got to believe it.
:roll:
Actually, Ray's right. Schumer does a lot of the heavy lifting. We both live in an area of Jersey where New York politics is as reported on as Jersey politics.

[joeyart]

Actually, Ray's right. Schumer does a lot of the heavy lifting. We both live in an area of Jersey where New York politics is as reported on as Jersey politics.

maybe...but it's hard to take his word for it...especially after titling this thread "Hilary Clinton: Raving loon"...

Isn't it the case that the senior Senator in most states does the heavy lifting?

[MIKE D]

maybe...but it's hard to take his word for it...especially after titling this thread "Hilary Clinton: Raving loon"...

Isn't it the case that the senior Senator in most states does the heavy lifting?

Possibly, but she seems to only be reported on for soundbites and appearances. You rarely hear about her proposing legislation, unless it's a hot-button issue like video game violence. Schumer wouldn't have time to worry about something so inconsequential.

[Brad N.]

Okay, as for an "actual" news site, well the link I provided is from a local Baltimore news site, you know, where the supposed cookie throwing occured? The Baltimore Sun (I would hope reputible enough for you) article saying the same is a dead link now, but I'll find it. Simply do a search on Google or better yet Nexxis and look up Michael Steele and Oreo and you'll see the story is bogus. Besides the right wing talkers and bloggers the only real news source that printed the story was the ultra rightwing Moonie owned Washington Times. All the other articles after that sourced the Moonie Times article. Since then as pointed out in the article I linked to it has been discredited by EVERY major news outlet. Okay, I did manage to find a reprint of the full text of the Baltimore Sun article and here it is in full:

Ehrlich bristles at Oreo skeptics
Account of Steele pelted by cookies in '02 under scrutiny
By Andrew A. Green
Sun reporter
Originally published November 13, 2005


Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. said yesterday that he is angry at "revisionism" from political opponents who question a much-repeated story about Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele being pelted with Oreos during a 2002 campaign debate in Baltimore.

....................

Paul Schurick, Ehrlich's communications director, said last week that he saw people passing out packages of the cookies outside Morgan State University's fine arts center before the debate and that when Steele entered the auditorium about 15 minutes before the start, people let fly with the cookies.

"It was raining Oreos," Schurick said. "They were thick in the air like locusts. I was there. It was very real. It wasn't subtle."

As for those who question the story, Ehrlich said yesterday: "They're not going to be able now to reinvent something that a lot of people saw. Just go ask people who were there."
..............................


News reports of the event, which was sponsored by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, extensively described the raucous and sometimes rude behavior of the crowd - especially by supporters of Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, the Democratic nominee for governor. At one point, Kweisi Mfume, who was then head of the NAACP, interrupted the proceedings to implore the crowd to calm down.

The first reference to the Oreo incident came five days later in an article in The Sun in which Schurick, then a spokesman for the Ehrlich campaign, said Townsend supporters distributed the cookies in the audience. He also said the crowd booed Ehrlich's family - a detail that was reported on debate night - and scratched the paint on Ehrlich supporters' cars with their keys.

Clint Coleman, a spokesman for Morgan State who was at the event, said he saw lots of unseemly behavior but no Oreos.

"There were a lot of things, disturbances, by this group of outsiders who were bent on disrupting the debate," Coleman said. "But I never actually saw Oreo cookies being thrown at him."

As for "raining Oreos," Coleman said, "I can tell you that did not happen."

Neil Duke, who moderated the event for the NAACP, said last week that he didn't see any cookies.

"Were there some goofballs sitting in [the] right-hand corner section tossing cookies amongst themselves and acting like sophomores, as the legend has it?" Duke said. "I have no reason to doubt those sources; I just didn't see it."

Wayne Frazier, president of the Maryland-Washington Minority Contractors Association said he watched Steele walk into the auditorium that night but saw no Oreos.

"I was there the whole time and did not see any of the so-called Oreo cookie incident," Frazier said. "It could have happened and I didn't see it, but I was in the auditorium from start to finish."
.......................................

Steele campaign spokesman Leonardo Alcivar said last week that the cookies "were clearly thrown at the lieutenant governor." He said Steele would not respond to questions about the event.

Ahem, back to me.

Oreos thick in the air like locusts? Come on man, don't you think someone would have reported that night seeing something like that? This is the kind of bullshit that places like Newsmax and Drudge simply report as gospel and people believe it. Another example...

When the whole NSA spying scandal first broke Drudge (and later Newsmax linking to Drudge) reported that Clinton had done the exact same thing in the 1990s. He used an out of context speech delivered by Jamie Gorelick and selectively took out parts to make it appear this was the case. Hell, our lovely torture czar and Attorney General Gonzalez said the same the other night on Larry King after Gore blasted the Bush White House over this illegal activity. The problem is the case he referred to was the Aldrich Ames case in 1993 which involved physical warrantless searches. Something (warrants) FISA did not require until 1995. Therefore the Clinton Admin. did nothing wrong in 1993 in investigating a CIA double agent. Besides, last I checked the "They did it too" excuse hasn't worked since I was about five years old.

[Mister Mets]

It's not. This is just people who have no understanding of what racism actually is attacking Sen. Clinton.
Racism. Treating 1 or more races differently (either better or worse) than you would treat the aveage person.


Good for her.

Probably made some Republicans happy.


Meh. A poor analogy, sure, but she's right to heap more ridicule upon this administration. And I don't see how her remark is rascist.
kinda disrespectful of the sufferings of slaves.

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

Bad choice of words.

This is why politicians should never be allowed to write their own speeches.

[En Sabah Poo]

Bad choice of words.

This is why politicians should never be allowed to write their own speeches.

No offense, but that's just dumb. I like politicians who write all their own speeches and everything they say is from their own mouth and thoughts. Otherwise, why don't we just have their speech writers run for office? I don't want a person in office who is just a face if I can help it.

[Ray G.]

No offense, but that's just dumb. I like politicians who write all their own speeches and everything they say is from their own mouth and thoughts. Otherwise, why don't we just have their speech writers run for office? I don't want a person in office who is just a face if I can help it.

Because more often than not, politicians are fucktards. Hilary Clinton, Trent Lott, Ray Nagin, and Tom DeLay are all clear examples of this.

[En Sabah Poo]

Because more often than not, politicians are fucktards. Hilary Clinton, Trent Lott, Ray Nagin, and Tom DeLay are all clear examples of this.

But better to have it out in the open than behind closed doors. Let the politicians be as they are, and if we don't like it, they can go bye bye.

[Greenville 90210]

This is why I can never be pro-Democrat, she takes a good and valid arguement against the current administration and royally fucks it up by soullessly trying to get black voters riled up. She was using purposely picked, racially-charged words. As I heard someone say on CNN last night, "Hilary Clinton was not concerned with the legacy of MLK, she was concerned with the legacy of Hilary Clinton."

The big difference between this and the Nagin (chocolate city) thing is that Nagin sounds like he's making it up as he goes along and Hilary sounds cold and calculating. Both are changing their voice, speech patterns, and word choice to shamelessly grab black votes.

[Greenville 90210]

Because more often than not, politicians are fucktards. Hilary Clinton, Trent Lott, Ray Nagin, and Tom DeLay are all clear examples of this.

Very true. Add W. to that list and we can hug.

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

Very true. Add W. to that list and we can hug.

Yeah, I agree. I'm more forgiving of Bush than most liberals, but he's about as comfortable behind a mic as a pig is training to be a butcher.

[Ray G.]

Yeah, I agree. I'm more forgiving of Bush than most liberals, but he's about as comfortable behind a mic as a pig is training to be a butcher.
Yeah, but his blunders tend to be the ones you shake your head at, rather than the ones you gape in shock at. His handlers keep him from saying things that are too incredibly stupid.

[Greenville 90210]

Yeah, but his blunders tend to be the ones you shake your head at, rather than the ones you gape in shock at. His handlers keep him from saying things that are too incredibly stupid.

He's said more incredibly stupid things than I can count. They just aren't offensive, usually. They are just stupid. There's also the times that he sounds like a defensive jerk. That's the difference. It's hard to make a big story about "The President doesn't know the English language very well!".

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

Yeah, but his blunders tend to be the ones you shake your head at, rather than the ones you gape in shock at. His handlers keep him from saying things that are too incredibly stupid.

Didn't he say the Bill Of Rights was just a piece of paper recently? If he did, you'd have to agree, that was pretty shocking. Somebody should put him over their knee and spank him, saying, "BAD PRESIDENT! BAD PRESIDENT! BAD! BAD!".

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... I just went to a place I'm not comfortable with.

[Amos Moses]

Obviously a very calculated move on Clinton's part, she knew what she was doing and what would happen afterward.

[Greenville 90210]

Didn't he say the Bill Of Rights was just a piece of paper recently? If he did, you'd have to agree, that was pretty shocking. Somebody should put him over their knee and spank him, saying, "BAD PRESIDENT! BAD PRESIDENT! BAD! BAD!".

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... I just went to a place I'm not comfortable with.

To be fair, I don't think that has actually been proven to be true. We should judge Bush on the things we've actually heard him say. There's enough stupid shit and straight-up lies to wade through...

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

To be fair, I don't think that has actually been proven to be true. We should judge Bush on the things we've actually heard him say. There's enough stupid shit and straight-up lies to wade through...

That's why I asked if he did or not. I wasn't stating it as a fact. I was legitimately asking.

[Greenville 90210]

That's why I asked if he did or not. I wasn't stating it as a fact. I was legitimately asking.

:Oops:

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

:Oops:

S'cool. You pretty much answered my question.

[Seltzer Water]

Possibly, but she seems to only be reported on for soundbites and appearances. You rarely hear about her proposing legislation, unless it's a hot-button issue like video game violence. Schumer wouldn't have time to worry about something so inconsequential.

there is a great fluff piece about Schumer in this week's New York magazine.

[Seltzer Water]

That's why I asked if he did or not. I wasn't stating it as a fact. I was legitimately asking.


No, if it were true, it would have been flashed across every news outlet from topeka to the city right outside topeka

[NATE!]

No, if it were true, it would have been flashed across every news outlet from topeka to the city right outside topeka

I hear that city hates Topeka for stealing it's thunder.

[Fusion]

Yeah, but his blunders tend to be the ones you shake your head at, rather than the ones you gape in shock at. His handlers keep him from saying things that are too incredibly stupid.

:o

Hmmmm....would MLK be more outraged at Hilary's comments or the Bush administrations response to "Certain" groups in New Orleans? :mistrust:

[Ray G.]

:o

Hmmmm....would MLK be more outraged at Hilary's comments or the Bush administrations response to "Certain" groups in New Orleans? :mistrust:

Bush's response to the disaster was slow and incompetent. That in and of itself is no indication of racism. The FEMA Bureaucracy was terribly prepared, and no matter where or what the disaster was, it would have responded poorly. Trying to turn this into a race issue just obscures the issue.

[Fusion]

Bush's response to the disaster was slow and incompetent. That in and of itself is no indication of racism. The FEMA Bureaucracy was terribly prepared, and no matter where or what the disaster was, it would have responded poorly. Trying to turn this into a race issue just obscures the issue.

What did you say when Bush's Mom opened her mouth? What did she say again?

[En Sabah Poo]

Bush's response to the disaster was slow and incompetent. That in and of itself is no indication of racism. The FEMA Bureaucracy was terribly prepared, and no matter where or what the disaster was, it would have responded poorly. Trying to turn this into a race issue just obscures the issue.

I have a hard time believing that. What makes me think that, is what if Orange County was faced with a disaster of similar lethality? I'm sure the response from the feds would have been much different.

[Ray G.]

What did you say when Bush's Mom opened her mouth? What did she say again?

I don't remember, nor do I care what an old lady says. The sins of the mother are not visited on the son.

[Fusion]

I don't remember, nor do I care what an old lady says. The sins of the mother are not visited on the son.

No you remember, thats why you can distiguish whether or not its a "SIN".

NICE!

[Ray G.]

No you remember, thats why you can distiguish whether or not its a "SIN".

NICE!

No, I just remember it was extremely tasteless and stupid.

[Ray G.]

I have a hard time believing that. What makes me think that, is what if Orange County was faced with a disaster of similar lethality? I'm sure the response from the feds would have been much different.

It would be pretty hard for him to bail out Orange County or wherever, considering wow FUBAR FEMA's structure was. That's where the fault lies.

[Fusion]

It would be pretty hard for him to bail out Orange County or wherever, considering wow FUBAR FEMA's structure was. That's where the fault lies.

When grades are poor in school, is it the teacher's responsibility or the principal's?

[Greenville 90210]

:o

Hmmmm....would MLK be more outraged at Hilary's comments or the Bush administrations response to "Certain" groups in New Orleans? :mistrust:

Who knows? He's dead. He might be angry at both.

[SethInAz]

When grades are poor in school, is it the teacher's responsibility or the principal's?
How about the student's?

[NATE!]

I have a hard time believing that. What makes me think that, is what if Orange County was faced with a disaster of similar lethality? I'm sure the response from the feds would have been much different.

I have a hard time believing people who constantly bring up the race issue with Katrina don't have a giant chip on their shoulder, or are so scared shitless of being called insensitive that they're willing to take up any bullshit position on an issue in an attempt to look progressive.

Sorry, but I'm just sick of hearing that argument. It's got about as much validity as the argument that the dams were blown up in order to wipe out the black people.

[Ray G.]

When grades are poor in school, is it the teacher's responsibility or the principal's?

No question, Bush bears some of the blame for the poor response. That's incompetence, not racism. Which is the point I've been trying to make all along.

[Amos Moses]

I don't think Bush & Co. are racist, I just asume they have apathy toward minorities/poor people.

Example

No: "I HATE THE DARK ONES! LET THEM DROWN!"

Yes: "Go clean up that hurricane thing whenever you get a around to it. Probably best before they start bitching about their welfare checks being late".

[Greenville 90210]

I don't think Bush & Co. are racist, I just asume they have apathy toward minorities/poor people.

Example

No: "I HATE THE DARK ONES! LET THEM DROWN!"

Yes: "Go clean up that hurricane thing whenever you get a around to it. Probably best before they start bitching about their welfare checks being late".

I think you're right about the apathy towards the largely black NOLA but I think both of your statements above are probably more racist than the Bush administration was.

It's hard to say if the response was racist because there's nothing to compare it to. Hurricanes usually his Florida, and never cities the size of New Orleans. As far as other disasters go, no American city has a full-evacuation plan and with 80% of the city out, the badly managed FEMA and the preoccupied president let the remaining 20% fend for themselves for far too many days. Was it because they were black? I don't think so. It was probably more because they were poor, if anything. Or, more likely, it was because no one from the president to the director of FEMA is qualified.

And the Hurricane was never the problem in NOLA. The hurricane smashed mississippi. It was the broken levees that damaged the city. Period. And that's the failure of every level of government for the last 20 years. City, state, and federal.

[Amos Moses]

I think you're right about the apathy towards the largely black NOLA but I think both of your statements above are probably more racist than the Bush administration was.



Yeah, I agree that I'm exaggerating.

[Joe Henderson]

What's interesting is that Barack Obama, the only black senator, agrees with Hillary Clinton:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/18/national/w090702S64.DTL

He also makes some good points:

"Obama said Wednesday he felt her choice of words referred to a "consolidation of power" in Washington that squeezes out the voters.

The Illinois senator told CNN's "American Morning" he believed that Clinton was merely expressing concern that special interests play such a large role in writing legislation that "the ordinary voter and even members of Congress who aren't in the majority party don't have much input."

"There's been a consolidation of power by the Republican Congress and this White House in which, if you are the ordinary voter, you don't have access," Obama said. "That should be a source of concern for all of us.""

[Angel of Distraction]

Triple meh. Your devoted-to-like-a-lost-puppy side sucks as badly. Quit whining.

[NATE!]

What's interesting is that Barack Obama, the only black senator, agrees with Hillary Clinton:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/18/national/w090702S64.DTL

He also makes some good points:

"Obama said Wednesday he felt her choice of words referred to a "consolidation of power" in Washington that squeezes out the voters.

The Illinois senator told CNN's "American Morning" he believed that Clinton was merely expressing concern that special interests play such a large role in writing legislation that "the ordinary voter and even members of Congress who aren't in the majority party don't have much input."

"There's been a consolidation of power by the Republican Congress and this White House in which, if you are the ordinary voter, you don't have access," Obama said. "That should be a source of concern for all of us.""


Kind of like saying water is wet, isn't it?

[Joe Henderson]

Kind of like saying water is wet, isn't it?

You'd think so, but based on some peoples' reactions, you'd think wrong.

[NATE!]

You'd think so, but based on some peoples' reactions, you'd think wrong.

Referring to Obama, right? I was more or less referring to him stating the obvious like it's some kind of new information.

[Ray G.]

What's interesting is that Barack Obama, the only black senator, agrees with Hillary Clinton:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/18/national/w090702S64.DTL

He also makes some good points:

"Obama said Wednesday he felt her choice of words referred to a "consolidation of power" in Washington that squeezes out the voters.

The Illinois senator told CNN's "American Morning" he believed that Clinton was merely expressing concern that special interests play such a large role in writing legislation that "the ordinary voter and even members of Congress who aren't in the majority party don't have much input."

"There's been a consolidation of power by the Republican Congress and this White House in which, if you are the ordinary voter, you don't have access," Obama said. "That should be a source of concern for all of us.""

So he's a partisan ideologue as well. Noted.

[Fusion]

No question, Bush bears some of the blame for the poor response. That's incompetence, not racism. Which is the point I've been trying to make all along.

As for Bushes mom, U are not giving her enough credit. she IS a Racist.

I have a unique perspective on Racism since I've experienced it. What IS Racism to you?

[Seltzer Water]

As for Bushes mom, U are not giving her enough credit. she IS a Racist.

I have a unique perspective on Racism since I've experienced it. What IS Racism to you?

she is not a racist. I have met her on numerous occasions and she has been nothing but sweet to me

[Joe Henderson]

So he's a partisan ideologue as well. Noted.

Nice spin.

[En Sabah Poo]

So he's a partisan ideologue as well. Noted.

No, he just realizes that you don't throw a hissy fit over some unnecessary wording a person uses, you look at the actual message behind it. You'd be good to take a lesson.

[Fusion]

she is not a racist. I have met her on numerous occasions and she has been nothing but sweet to me

Thats great. But statements like the one she made make it crystal clear no mater how you spin it.

[Ray G.]

As for Bushes mom, U are not giving her enough credit. she IS a Racist.

I have a unique perspective on Racism since I've experienced it. What IS Racism to you?

Racism is having my house egged for a year because I'm a Jew, and having the police tell me that "boys will be boys". What's it mean to you?

[Joe Henderson]

In my opinion:

Was her wording chosen to be racially inflammatory? Yes. Was she calling all of them racist? No. Instead, she was making a comparison and using the racial analogy to compare it to an injustice going on right now. I’m assuming here, but I would guess that she hoped would incite an emotional reaction similar to what she thinks we should feel about how we’re being treated right now.

[Greenville 90210]

What's interesting is that Barack Obama, the only black senator, agrees with Hillary Clinton:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/18/national/w090702S64.DTL

He also makes some good points:

"Obama said Wednesday he felt her choice of words referred to a "consolidation of power" in Washington that squeezes out the voters.

The Illinois senator told CNN's "American Morning" he believed that Clinton was merely expressing concern that special interests play such a large role in writing legislation that "the ordinary voter and even members of Congress who aren't in the majority party don't have much input."

"There's been a consolidation of power by the Republican Congress and this White House in which, if you are the ordinary voter, you don't have access," Obama said. "That should be a source of concern for all of us.""

Yeah. She should have said that then, cause that's a damn good point. That's why the 2 party system sucks. A lot of these politicians spend too much time trying to make hype and headlines or just make the other side look bad. If there were 7 MAJOR political parties, people would be forced to actually do stuff.

[Seltzer Water]

Thats great. But statements like the one she made make it crystal clear no mater how you spin it.

If you believe that good for you. I have some ocean front property in Arizona I can sell you also

[En Sabah Poo]

By the way, this is from a while ago for Ray, I think its absolutely hysterical you associate jury duty with being in violation of the 13th amendment. Furthermore, that you think it's such a ridiculous sham really says something about your patriotism. The founding fathers wanted citizens to decide the fate of themselves by jury because they didn't trust judges, politicians and lawyers, people you obviously would rather control the system.

[Fusion]

Racism is having my house egged for a year because I'm a Jew, and having the police tell me that "boys will be boys". What's it mean to you?

It means being over looked for a jobs when you were the better choice, it means being harrased by the police for being in a white neighbourhood, it means being told to "Go back to your fucking country N!@@#&!" when this IS my Fucking country, it means having a woman clutch her handbag, and walk on the other side of the street,...

Oh here is the quote since ya forgot.

"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them." –Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the hurricane evacuees at the Astrodome in Houston, Sept. 5, 2005


FUCKING RACIST BITCH! :-x

[Ray G.]

By the way, this is from a while ago for Ray, I think its absolutely hysterical you associate jury duty with being in violation of the 13th amendment. Furthermore, that you think it's such a ridiculous sham really says something about your patriotism. The founding fathers wanted citizens to decide the fate of themselves by jury because they didn't trust judges, politicians and lawyers, people you obviously would rather control the system.

Those groups already control the system. It's in their best interest to keep the jury pool uneducated and pliable. An educated pool of volunteer jurors would do wonders for improving the system. And it would alleviate the problems for our liberty that result from the previous system.

[Greenville 90210]

Those groups already control the system. It's in their best interest to keep the jury pool uneducated and pliable. An educated pool of volunteer jurors would do wonders for improving the system. And it would alleviate the problems for our liberty that result from the previous system.

God damn, that makes sense.

BUT

I'm afraid of the idea of a group picking who's in the pool.

[En Sabah Poo]

Those groups already control the system. It's in their best interest to keep the jury pool uneducated and pliable. An educated pool of volunteer jurors would do wonders for improving the system. And it would alleviate the problems for our liberty that result from the previous system.

If there's a problem with the jury system its all the girly little cry babies who whine about having jury duty. It's something you should be proud of, actually taking part in the process and doing what the founding fathers wanted you to do, giving service to your country (that's something you really don't seem to like doing though, in any way). And by the by, lawyers and judges to not attempt to keep the jury pool uneducated. You have to stop believing all these crazy articles you read and myths you hear. Wherever you're getting that stuff from, you have to put it down. The legal system in America is one of opposition. Two sides against each other. They widdle the jury into something that is as close to the middle as possible. Is it perfect? Hell no, but it beats having a bunch of lawyers being jury members. Jurors aren't supposed to be perfect and educated in the law. They are supposed to be a group of average reasonable citizens. The thing you aren't realizing, is the most important aspect of being a citizen juror, you're ability to decide a case beyond the law, using what's right and fair to instill justice. An employee of the state would not be allowed to do that.

[Greenville 90210]

It means being over looked for a jobs when you were the better choice, it means being harrased by the police for being in a white neighbourhood, it means being told to "Go back to your fucking country N!@@#&!" when this IS my Fucking country, it means having a woman clutch her handbag, and walk on the other side of the street,...

Oh here is the quote since ya forgot.

"What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) – this is working very well for them." –Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the hurricane evacuees at the Astrodome in Houston, Sept. 5, 2005


FUCKING RACIST BITCH! :-x

No doubt, that's racist.

I'm sorry if you answered this earlier in the thread, I couldn't find it, but how do you feel about Hilary Clinton's comments? Are those racist or just racially-charged?

[Ray G.]

God damn, that makes sense.

BUT

I'm afraid of the idea of a group picking who's in the pool.

A group already picks who's in the jury. I really think we'd get a better group of people if there was a screening process and it was voluntary. The last person you want deciding your fate is a bunch of pissed off draftees. A good pay rate would encourage the jurors to take their time to analyze all the facts of the case.

[Mick]

Unfortunate choice of words, basically the right message. As if she needed to persuade blacks not to vote for Republicans.

[Fusion]

No doubt, that's racist.

I'm sorry if you answered this earlier in the thread, I couldn't find it, but how do you feel about Hilary Clinton's comments? Are those racist or just racially-charged?

She knew what she was doing. It wasn't PC but neither was Kanye West. PC doesn't always get the point across. It was definately Racially Charged and it DEFINATELY got people talkin'.

[Ray G.]

If there's a problem with the jury system its all the girly little cry babies who whine about having jury duty. It's something you should be proud of, actually taking part in the process and doing what the founding fathers wanted you to do, giving service to your country (that's something you really don't seem to like doing though, in any way). And by the by, lawyers and judges to not attempt to keep the jury pool uneducated. You have to stop believing all these crazy articles you read and myths you hear. Wherever you're getting that stuff from, you have to put it down. The legal system in America is one of opposition. Two sides against each other. They widdle the jury into something that is as close to the middle as possible. Is it perfect? Hell no, but it beats having a bunch of lawyers being jury members. Jurors aren't supposed to be perfect and educated in the law. They are supposed to be a group of average reasonable citizens. The thing you aren't realizing, is the most important aspect of being a citizen juror, you're ability to decide a case beyond the law, using what's right and fair to instill justice. An employee of the state would not be allowed to do that.

They're not employees of the state. They're ordinary citizens who volunteer their services and show an understanding of basic legal concepts necessary to judge a case, and get paid a decent rate for it. I don't see what the problem is with this, and your blase attitude towards judicial conscription is rather disturbing.

[En Sabah Poo]

They're not employees of the state. They're ordinary citizens who volunteer their services and show an understanding of basic legal concepts necessary to judge a case, and get paid a decent rate for it. I don't see what the problem is with this, and your blase attitude towards judicial conscription is rather disturbing.

I think your blase attitude toward actually serving on a jury are more disturbing.

[Greenville 90210]

A group already picks who's in the jury. I really think we'd get a better group of people if there was a screening process and it was voluntary. The last person you want deciding your fate is a bunch of pissed off draftees. A good pay rate would encourage the jurors to take their time to analyze all the facts of the case.

Ok. First let me say that I know nothing about this topic. Now for the questions...

What if someone hated black people? What if someone thought gay people went to hell? What I'm asking is, how good is the screening process?

[Mick]

They're not employees of the state. They're ordinary citizens who volunteer their services and show an understanding of basic legal concepts necessary to judge a case, and get paid a decent rate for it. I don't see what the problem is with this, and your blase attitude towards judicial conscription is rather disturbing.

I think a citizen with knowledge of basic legal concepts serving on a jury would preempt the "trial by a jury of peers" for those more working-class-lower-class types. The point is not to put a defendant at any disadvantage-- and having a jury of people who are economically and socially better off than you is a distinct disadvantage.

[Greenville 90210]

She knew what she was doing. It wasn't PC but neither was Kanye West. PC doesn't always get the point across. It was definately Racially Charged and it DEFINATELY got people talkin'.

But she wouldn't have said that in front of a white crowd, know what I mean? Her point was valid, sure, but the language was picked because she was talking to black people.

People are talking, yes. But not about the issue- they're talking about Hilary Clinton and her stupid comment.

[Ray G.]

Ok. First let me say that I know nothing about this topic. Now for the questions...

What if someone hated black people? What if someone thought gay people went to hell? What I'm asking is, how good is the screening process?

It's extremely easy for someone with an agenda to get onto a jury now if they want to. This system wouldn't make it any worse, at least. I'm afraid I don't really have a way to correct this, though. A lie detector wouldn't be feasible.

[Shwicaz]

I can't believe this hasn't been posted here yet. What a twit. MLK must be rolling over in his grave.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10889047/from/RSSGOP anger flares after



I think Ray Nagin has her beat:

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Mayor Ray Nagin on Tuesday apologized for urging residents to rebuild a "chocolate New Orleans" and saying, "You can't have New Orleans no other way."

"I'm really sorry that some people took that they way they did, and that was not my intention," the mayor said. "I say everybody's welcome."

Nagin added that he never should have used the term "chocolate."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/17/nagin.city/?section=cnn_topstories

[Ryan F]

I've been thinking about this, and I think we should cut Hill some slack. After a long day of picking cotton in the Capitol Building for Massa Bush with that mean old overseer Bill Frist cracking the whip all day, she was probably very tired.

[Ray G.]

I think Ray Nagin has her beat:

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Mayor Ray Nagin on Tuesday apologized for urging residents to rebuild a "chocolate New Orleans" and saying, "You can't have New Orleans no other way."

"I'm really sorry that some people took that they way they did, and that was not my intention," the mayor said. "I say everybody's welcome."

Nagin added that he never should have used the term "chocolate."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/17/nagin.city/?section=cnn_topstories

Yeah, but he has the excuse of major stress and trauma over the last year. Hillary was just being an opportunist.

[TyPierce]

There were definitely better ways to say what she was trying to get across, I'll admit that, but in the grand scheme of things this didn't piss me off too much.

I do agree with what Defferding said, though. This is one of those sound bytes that'll keep coming back to bite.

[sonnylarue]

Hillary was just being an opportunist.


just like most politicians.

it was a dumb comment, but this too shall pass.

look how Trent lott is suddenly brave enough to be back in the spotlight, after a much dumber statement.

Hillary at least has a few blacks like Sharpton saying "I know exectly what she's talking about"

[NATE!]

Hillary at least has a few blacks like Sharpton saying "I know exectly what she's talking about"

That's a really loaded statement there.

[sonnylarue]

That's a really loaded statement there.



Radical firebrand Rev. Al Sharpton is defending Sen. Hillary Clinton after she blasted GOP leaders on Capitol Hill for playing what she called "plantation" politics, with Sharpton saying he's happy to see that the former first lady is adopting his views.

"I absolutely defend her saying it because I said it all through the '04 elections," Sharpton told the New York Daily News on Tuesday.

The undisputed king of New York City racial politics praised Clinton for calling it like she sees it.

"Any time you have a situation where, because of seniority and cloakroom politics, the bosses make the decisions - that's tatamount to [a] plantation," he insisted.

face it people who hate the name "Clinton" will jump up and down and scream about this till the '08 election day, but I don't think it will affect her base beyond a few weeks.

[Matt Jay]

I got to this thread late. Has someone already posted examples of conservatives using the word "plantation" when referring to Democrats? It was still a lame comment on Hillary's part, but this particular type of lameness is bipartisan. Besides, does anyone really like Hillary?

[sonnylarue]

newt's ill advised 1993 plantation reference was mentioned.

there's also guys like this

http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=2731

The Democratic Plantation
By Tom Barrett
jan 31 2005

or clarence mason weaver's book

"It's Ok to leave the plantation"

or

star parker's

"Unlce sam's plantation'

[Brad N.]

Sonnylarue said : look how Trent lott is suddenly brave enough to be back in the spotlight, after a much dumber statement.

Totally agree! Remember what he said a few years back about how we would have been better off if Strom Thurmond (running on the segregationist ticket) had won the Presidency? Boy that was really cool. Yeah, and now he's on with Tweety on Habahh the other night vaguely mentioning this. He said something to Matthews like "she needs to be careful what she says...I know" But nothing more was said and Matthews never challenged him on it. The casual viewer would have no clue to what he was referring. Anyhoo, yeah MattJay, I mentioned the hypocracy of how not only did Gingrich say it like a million times in the 90's but if you look up Democratic and Plantation on Google you'll be in for quite a treat.

[Amos Moses]

Al Sharpton should be President.

[Shane W]

Al Sharpton should be President.

Of what?

[Ray G.]

Of what?

The land of Kookoocrazypants.

I also call it "the blue states".

(I'm an expat.) ;)

[Mister Mets]

Al Sharpton should be President.

I want him to be the Democrat nominee.

Because I want the Republicans to win in 08.

[Ray G.]

1. Quote me.

2. Bull. You want to disarm the American public, which is completely antithecal to the 2nd Amendment. It's kind of ironic, considering you refuse to respect the validity of the 13th Amendment when it comes to the jury system too.

Bill, I notice that you never bothered to quote me when it comes to when I said that Anti-war protests should be banned. As I've always been one of the biggest supporters of free speech on this board, I take offense to the fact that you would accuse me of that and not produce proof. If you can find a quote, I'll apologize. But I don't think you will, because I've never said that.

[joeyart]

Bill, I notice that you never bothered to quote me when it comes to when I said that Anti-war protests should be banned. As I've always been one of the biggest supporters of free speech on this board, I take offense to the fact that you would accuse me of that and not produce proof. If you can find a quote, I'll apologize. But I don't think you will, because I've never said that.

SNAP!

(are the kids still saying that?)

[Jastermereel]

SNAP!

(are the kids still saying that?)
Only the kids.

Zing!
;-)