Battlestar Galactica 1-13-06 "Resurrection Ship Part II"

[Sy-Klone]

Just a reminder that Battlestar Galactica Season 2 continues tonight at 10pm Eastern, with the episode, "Resurrection Ship Part II."

I have a feeling that this is going to be a huge episode, so I can't wait! A great end to a bad week for me! :)

[ChrisCollins]

Can't wait.

Spoilers for 2.12

From the review on AICN it seems that at the very least the fate of the Pegasus will be different from the previous show. And it looks like the Pegasus crew will get some payback on Tyrol and Helo. Sounds like a plot for a guys in prison movie :sad:

Spoilers for 2.11.....



















I hope the Pegasus sticks around for a while. Cain probably isn't long for the world, though I don't think Starbuck will do it. My left field theory is that Baltar kills her.

[FedEx Fanboy]

I've had a fucking hard-on all day for this episode...

Anybody else? :)





I predict that the Pegasus WON'T be around much longer and will most likely be destroyed or badly damaged and scrapped for parts.

[xyzzy]

I hope the Pegasus sticks around for a while. Cain probably isn't long for the world, though I don't think Starbuck will do it. My left field theory is that Baltar kills her.

I'm guessing it gets scavenged for parts and crew after the Cylons rip it a new one.

[LowKey]

I've had a fucking hard-on all day for this episode...

Anybody else? :)

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This show is so good, I crap my pants just thinking about it. I'm actually going to record the program, then watch it at 11...so I can skip through the commercials. After...um...hangin' with my bitches, of course.

[LowKey]

This season has gotten of to a MUCH stronger start...not having to balance out three sub-plots and all.

[greg donovan]

the preview showed someone in military fatigues and marks on the wrist pointing the pistol at cain.

so that means that either boomer or Gina is free at some point in tonights ep.

also in the oreview for this whole season there is what appears to be a very large black man smoking a cigar and blowing the smoke in a very menacing manner. it is just shown for a fraction of a second.

[Sy-Klone]

I've had a fucking hard-on all day for this episode...

Anybody else? :)

Well, given the fact that I started a talkback thread about five hours before the episode starts, that should speak volumes about how excited I am.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Battlestar Galactica is absolutely stunning, and the best show on television for my money. Can't! Wait! :)

I predict that Admiral Cain will die, but I have NO idea who pulls the trigger, other than to predict that it won't be Starbuck, and will probably be someone we aren't supposed to expect. Apollo, maybe?

[TIP]

I *just* finished watching the last ep of the DVD set for Season 2.0. I've got to get my hands on last week's ep and tonight's and I'll be caught up.

Holy Fuck, is this a great damn show.

T

[Sy-Klone]

Holy Fuck, is this a great damn show.

T

I KNOW! :)

I think a lot of people are skeptical because they've been burned by really bad or cheesy sci-fi, or they just don't think the concept is that appealing, but as I've told all my friends, it's not just a great sci-fi show...it's a fantastic show, period. I won't stop shouting that from the rooftops, unless the show creatively fizzles, which I don't see happening anytime soon.

Definitely get last week's episode somehow, and tape/DVR tonight's. They were originally supposed to constitute a single episode, but there was just so damn much story that they broke it up into two episodes with the network's permission.

[greg donovan]

I *just* finished watching the last ep of the DVD set for Season 2.0. I've got to get my hands on last week's ep and tonight's and I'll be caught up.

Holy Fuck, is this a great damn show.

T

tonights will be on at 9 pm and midnight central and then it should be on again on monday night at 10 central after the monday night stargate marathon.

[Deej]

Awesome Ending!!!

I love this show. So intense!

[James Patrick]

awesome.

[Sy-Klone]

That was intense!

Honestly, my heart was racing during certain scenes. I'm not going to delve into an in-depth spoiler filled review until I watch the episode again, but man...that was one of the most perfect hours of television I have ever seen! :)

[sonnylarue]

what an incredible show

[greg donovan]

Spoilers be comin'













i am pleased that adama did not ask Kara to go that far.

it seemed that Cain was expecting Adama to order her assasination as well.

we never saw Adama tell Kara about what Cain had done to the civillians. i wonder if she knows?

kara's line about being safer under cain has me a bit worried.

[The Human Target]

My God, that was an orgy of amazingness.

When the Ressurection Ship was destroy and the Cylon bodies got sucked into space I was just so very impressed.

And, of course, Baltar and Six Squared are the only ones with the balls to do what they had to do. I mean, it was a bad idea to kill Cain in the was Adama wanted because it would have probably gotten Starbuck and Apollo killed. But it needed doing.

I'm glad they both backed down, simply because it made things so much murkier. I like that the Pegasus Chief was gonna kill them all, or he seemed like he was. Him turning over the Adama's side would have been a little strained.

Where the fuck is Baltar gonna hide Gina?

I'm glad Adama and Roslin finally smooched.

And it seems like she might have a second chance at life.

This made Apollo more interesting, to me at least. Him wanting to give up the fight is cool.

And are he and Dee gonna get together?



I'd say my only problem with the shore so far is that none of the main cast have died yet. I think somone needs to take a dive this season, though I do really like them all.

[Foolish Mortal]

My God, that was an orgy of amazingness.

That it was! :D


I like that the Pegasus Chief was gonna kill them all, or he seemed like he was. Him turning over the Adama's side would have been a little strained.

Was he going to kill them? I wasn't so sure about that.


I'm glad Adama and Roslin finally smooched.

Yes! That was great. Now they just need to fuck. :lol:


This made Apollo more interesting, to me at least. Him wanting to give up the fight is cool.

His head is really messed up. If the Galactica has a shrink on board, Lee needs to go see him/her.


And are he and Dee gonna get together?

I doubt it, and I think it would be a bad idea. I feel that their relationship works better with them as platonic friends.


I'd say my only problem with the shore so far is that none of the main cast have died yet. I think somone needs to take a dive this season, though I do really like them all.

Well unless they're planing doing something to save Roslin at the last minute, things don't look too good for her.

The other things I liked was the tense scenes when Cain called Adama. Man, that was uber intense the way everybody was staring at each other.

Adama getting promoted to Admiral was cool, and it does seem that they're keeping the Pegasus around for awhile at least. This opens up new story angles and characters to be introduced.

Great episode.

[The Human Target]

I'm glad the Pegasus is still around, it gives them some room to breath.

And, I wonder how the destruction of the Cylon clone ship is going to effect everything.

[alexlannin]

Man, I love this show! I'm impressed and surprised each week.

[FedEx Fanboy]

:-x

I'm really pissed that:

Starbuck didn't cap Admiral Cain

I think they had a chance to elevate the show to an entirely different level and they pussed out and screwed the fucking pooch.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed with the episode.

[alexlannin]

:-x

I'm really pissed that:

Starbuck didn't cap Admiral Cain

I think they had a chance to elevate the show to an entirely different level and they pussed out and screwed the fucking pooch.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed with the episode.
I liked it, the show's already full of people regretting decisions they've made in this war. I think this elevated the show to a new level of humanity and trust.

[Tweenerjay]

Great episode.

The space battles were remarkable. They spent some money this week, that's for sure.

Adama kisses Rosalin! Yea!!
Admiral Adama!! Yea!!
Lee on suicide watch! Um, hmmm...
Destruction of the Blackbird! Boo!!!

I had to work tonight, and I called the missus to tell her I was on my way home, and she was "Oh my God"-ing about the episode. And I had to tell her, at this point, it would be suprising if she told me it sucked. I've come to expect excellence from this show, and I have yet to be disappointed.

Bring on Cylon stem-cells!

[Gunter]

:-x

I'm really pissed that:

Starbuck didn't cap Admiral Cain

I think they had a chance to elevate the show to an entirely different level and they pussed out and screwed the fucking pooch.

Overall I'm pretty disappointed with the episode.


I pretty much agree with you there. I think they kind of took an easy way out and this is one show that I never expected that from.

I also thought that they made the attack on the Cylon base ships and the Resurrection ship look like it came off too easy.

I love this show but in my opinion this wasn't one of their better offerings.

[sonnylarue]

It would've worked better as a Two Hour episode, rather than a 2 parter, but I thought the story was good, and had some unexpected story twists.

[alexlannin]

It would've worked better as a Two Hour episode, rather than a 2 parter, but I thought the story was good, and had some unexpected story twists.
That great opening with Apollo wouldn't have worked as well in the second hour.

[DaveCummings]

I'm glad the Pegasus is still around, it gives them some room to breath.

And, I wonder how the destruction of the Cylon clone ship is going to effect everything.


Well, I was reading an interview with the guy who's the main writer of the show and he said that it totally affects the way the Cylons operate. No more of these all out attacks. The destruction of the Ressurection ship kind of scared them a bit. So they'll probably do quick hit and run attacks.

~Dave

[Sy-Klone]

I think they had a chance to elevate the show to an entirely different level and they pussed out and screwed the fucking pooch.

See, I respectfully disagree. That's the whole point of the Boomer/Adama scene. Adama asks, "Why do you want to kill us? I just want to know...why do you want to kill us?" To which she replies, and I'm paraphrasing here, "Have you asked yourself whether humanity is worth saving?"

To have Kara cross that line and kill Cain would have proved the Cylons right...humanity isn't worth saving, if it can so readily kill without reason. Because remember, we know that Cain was scheming against Adama, but Adama/Roslin had no indication that Cain would actually continue to pose a threat. That's also the point of Kara's "We were safer with her than without her." At the end of the day, Cain didn't order Adama killed, when she easily could have.

These episodes have shown humanity as capable of rape, beating, violence, torture, and death. But they've also shown humanity as capable of compassion, of reason, even of hope. It's that whole frequent theme: when you kill your enemy, you stoop to his level and you become your enemy.

Humanity is worth saving. There is always hope. That's why I think the resolutions in this episode kicked so much ass.

Loved the Roslin/Adama smooch. Loved the scenes of the assault on the Resurrection Ship, especially the fact that many of them were simply set to music and not massive explosions.

Loved the twist with Baltar and Gina.

And actually, I kinda hate losing Admiral Cain. I didn't want her in command of the fleet, and I wanted her to die for plotting Adama's death, but at the end of the day, she didn't go through with it, which suggests that maybe she had some redeeming value. But it would have been nice having her around in some capacity, as a prisoner for example...she was a rich and interesting character.

Really enjoyed Lee's reactions to all of this...he becomes suicidal, which makes a certain amount of sense.

Hated to lose the Blackbird, but at least it got the job done in a major way.

Fantastic episode. I still have only watched it once, so I'm going to watch it again sometime this weekend. :)

[greg donovan]

i loved that Gina was set free by baltar so she could get her "justice."

where the hell is he gonna hide her?

it is not going to be good when the rest of the fleet learns that baltar set her loose on Cain.

glasd the downward spiral of dr. baltar is finally getting moving again.

I do not trust the XO (now commander) of the Pegasus one damn bit. the way he busts into nervous laguhter all the time is very disconcerting. but he seems to be a decent man so who knows.

glad he stepped in and stopped those two jack asses from messing up helo and the chief any more.

now that they have the chief back and the pegasus chief the two of them can build a better stealth ship.

[RODGER]

i was kinda dissapointed in this weeks episode.

i think the copped out on having whats her name killing the admeral woman.......

but next weeks looks fantastic!

[LowKey]

To have Kara cross that line and kill Cain would have proved the Cylons right...humanity isn't worth saving, if it can so readily kill without reason. Because remember, we know that Cain was scheming against Adama, but Adama/Roslin had no indication that Cain would actually continue to pose a threat. That's also the point of Kara's "We were safer with her than without her." At the end of the day, Cain didn't order Adama killed, when she easily could have.

These episodes have shown humanity as capable of rape, beating, violence, torture, and death. But they've also shown humanity as capable of compassion, of reason, even of hope. It's that whole frequent theme: when you kill your enemy, you stoop to his level and you become your enemy.

Humanity is worth saving. There is always hope. That's why I think the resolutions in this episode kicked so much ass.


Beautifully put, and there's no way I could've said this better. IMHO, having Kara go through with those orders would've really cast a pall over the entire series for the rest of the season. I'm really, really glad they didn't do it.

Plus, for the first time, I actually care about Apollo! i didn't see THAT one coming.

[Foolish Mortal]

See, I respectfully disagree. That's the whole point of the Boomer/Adama scene. Adama asks, "Why do you want to kill us? I just want to know...why do you want to kill us?" To which she replies, and I'm paraphrasing here, "Have you asked yourself whether humanity is worth saving?"

To have Kara cross that line and kill Cain would have proved the Cylons right...humanity isn't worth saving, if it can so readily kill without reason. Because remember, we know that Cain was scheming against Adama, but Adama/Roslin had no indication that Cain would actually continue to pose a threat.

And I saw no indication of that her threat was over with. Just because Cain opted not to have Adama killed this time, doesn't mean the next time she and Adama butt heads she wouldn't change her mind and have him killed.

She definitely came across to me as a type of person who wanted to have things done her way or no way. She and Adama would have clashed again and again. I don't see her tolerating that too many times.

The only 3 ways I saw that situation being resolved was: #1- Cain kills Adama, #2- Adama kills Cain or #3- Cain gets stripped of her authority. I can't the last option happening. She would not let that happen.

[Sy-Klone]

And I saw no indication of that her threat was over with. Just because Cain opted not to have Adama killed this time, doesn't mean the next time she and Adama butt heads she wouldn't change her mind and have him killed.

She definitely came across to me as a type of person who wanted to have things done her way or no way. She and Adama would have clashed again and again. I don't see her tolerating that too many times.

Well, I see what you're saying, but at the same time, Adama had no reason to believe that Cain would continue to pose a threat. If she were to escalate the intrafleet conflict and force Adama's hand, that WOULD give Adama reason to preserve the fleet by killing Cain.

But to kill Cain at that moment would have been premature. Adama shouldn't have killed Cain unless and until he absolutely had to, and at that moment, he didn't, because she hadn't yet acted to force his hand. They were in the middle of a detente.

That's why I'm glad things resolved the way they did.

[LowKey]

I JUST finished watching this...and being a huge dork, I'm actually going to watch it again right now.

Did anyone else almost get choked up during the Helo/Sharon 'reunion'? If i had a woman that loved me, I would want her to behave like a cylon.

Also, I friggin' LOVED the fact that the 'epic space battle' was ancillary to the human drama. For me, just having the battle unfold in the background throughout the episode without needless exposition made it THAT much more powerful.

[FedEx Fanboy]

See, I respectfully disagree. That's the whole point of the Boomer/Adama scene. Adama asks, "Why do you want to kill us? I just want to know...why do you want to kill us?" To which she replies, and I'm paraphrasing here, "Have you asked yourself whether humanity is worth saving?"

To have Kara cross that line and kill Cain would have proved the Cylons right...humanity isn't worth saving, if it can so readily kill without reason. Because remember, we know that Cain was scheming against Adama, but Adama/Roslin had no indication that Cain would actually continue to pose a threat. That's also the point of Kara's "We were safer with her than without her." At the end of the day, Cain didn't order Adama killed, when she easily could have.

These episodes have shown humanity as capable of rape, beating, violence, torture, and death. But they've also shown humanity as capable of compassion, of reason, even of hope. It's that whole frequent theme: when you kill your enemy, you stoop to his level and you become your enemy.

Humanity is worth saving. There is always hope. That's why I think the resolutions in this episode kicked so much ass.


You're forgetting the first and most primal thing about humanity. Survival of the fittest. This above all has become paramount in the show. Cain kew this and had to do terrible things for the Pegasus to survive. Adama preformed questionable acts on several occasions like blowing up the civilian ship. And the President knew this when she told Adama to assassinate Cain. If the Cylon didn't pop Cain, shit would have hit the fan one way or the other. For certain having far greater consequences to both ships and the fleet.

More importantly, the need of "necessary evil" has and always will be hand-in- hand with humanity. That's part of what makes us Human. We are not only beings of light, but also of dark and grey.

[Foolish Mortal]

Well, I see what you're saying, but at the same time, Adama had no reason to believe that Cain would continue to pose a threat. If she were to escalate the intrafleet conflict and force Adama's hand, that WOULD give Adama reason to preserve the fleet by killing Cain.

But to kill Cain at that moment would have been premature. Adama shouldn't have killed Cain unless and until he absolutely had to, and at that moment, he didn't, because she hadn't yet acted to force his hand. They were in the middle of a detente.

That's why I'm glad things resolved the way they did.

Yes, but lets look at it from Cain's point of view...

She's an admiral. Adama's a commander. How many times do you think Cain would have put up with Adama's blatant insubordination? How many times do you think she would've put up with him openly arguing with her in front of the crew or questioning her decisions?

Cain would not put up with that for very long. She will either have Adama stripped of command, or kill him. And I don't see Adama just sitting idly by and letting Cain strip him of his command, and I'm sure Cain knows that. She knows she would have to kill him.

In my opinion, it still would have come down to either Adama killing Cain first, or Cain killing Adama first.

[greg donovan]

You're forgetting the first and most primal thing about humanity. Survival of the fittest. This above all has become paramount in the show. Cain kew this and had to do terrible things for the Pegasus to survive. Adama preformed questionable acts on several occasions like blowing up the civilian ship. And the President knew this when she told Adama to assassinate Cain. If the Cylon didn't pop Cain, shit would have hit the fan one way or the other. For certain having far greater consequences to both ships and the fleet.

More importantly, the need of "necessary evil" has and always will be hand-in- hand with humanity. That's part of what makes us Human. We are not only beings of light, but also of dark and grey.

to quote adama from this episode, it is not just about survival but being worthy of surviving.

Adama believes (after Boomer reminded him) that mankind needs to rise above the "necessary" evil.

when Adama met w/Boomer i thought for sure that he was going to ask her to kill Cain. that was an awesome conversation. i have been waiting along time for someone to ask her why?

[FedEx Fanboy]

to quote adama from this episode, it is not just about survival but being worthy of surviving.

Adama believes (after Boomer reminded him) that mankind needs to rise above the "necessary" evil.

when Adama met w/Boomer i thought for sure that he was going to ask her to kill Cain. that was an awesome conversation. i have been waiting along time for someone to ask her why?

If it wasn't for that Toaster, Cain would have killed Adama's ass in the near future. It would have only been a matter of time. Madame President knew this and thus her request to have Cain capped. She knew it was one or the other and Cain would have just fucked the fleet.

Adama is like what Admiral Cain said, "Too close to your crew". He's already done a handful of things that have came back and bit him in the ass and I forsee more down the road. It's kind of hard to rely on high moral ground when your dead body is in casket floating in space.

[greg donovan]

If it wasn't for that Toaster, Cain would have killed Adama's ass in the near future. It would have only been a matter of time. Madame President knew this and thus her request to have Cain capped. She knew it was one or the other and Cain would have just fucked the fleet.

Adama is like what Admiral Cain said, "Too close to your crew". He's already done a handful of things that have came back and bit him in the ass and I forsee more down the road. It's kind of hard to rely on high moral ground when your dead body is in casket floating in space.

what adama has realised, and that cain didnt, is that the old rules no longer apply.

his closeness to his crew has kept them alive.

are you suggesting that adama should have cut loose the civillians?

should he have locked up the chief for having an innapropriate relationship w/a officer?

that he should have revoked Kara's flight status after she stole the raider and went back to caprica?

that he should have locked up apollo for treason?

or how about keeping starbuck in the brig for assaulting tigh?

if adama had done anything differently this would be the most boring damn show ever.

all those decisions have helped humanity survive in the long run.

i am not 100% sure that cain would have killed adama later.

i think the only reason she plotted to kill him was because she thought he would plot to kill her. and when he backed down so did she. at that point she knew that he wouldnt kill her.

i think she knew that starbuck was sent to kill her. for a good card player starbuck's poker face was the worst damn poker face i have ever seen.

and is it just me or did it seem that cain wanted to die when she gave Kara the whole dont flich speech when they were knocking back the hooch?

[Eddy Newell]

Well, I see what you're saying, but at the same time, Adama had no reason to believe that Cain would continue to pose a threat. If she were to escalate the intrafleet conflict and force Adama's hand, that WOULD give Adama reason to preserve the fleet by killing Cain.

But to kill Cain at that moment would have been premature. Adama shouldn't have killed Cain unless and until he absolutely had to, and at that moment, he didn't, because she hadn't yet acted to force his hand. They were in the middle of a detente.

That's why I'm glad things resolved the way they did.

I don't understand why you think Adama had no reason to believe Cain would no longer pose a threat. What changed?

[Sy-Klone]

I don't understand why you think Adama had no reason to believe Cain would no longer pose a threat. What changed?

After talking with Boomer, Adama realized that what he was proposed was premature. He had tasked Starbuck with shooting Cain in the head, and he reasonably believed, as did the President, that it was necessary to do so.

But his talk with Boomer changed things, coupled with their victory over the Resurrection Ship. I think it made Adama reevaluate his plan, and that's why he called Kara off.

Let me also clarify: I agree that it WOULD have come to Cain being killed by Adama eventually, but Adama recognized that it hadn't yet escalated to that moment.

My argument is NOT that she didn't still pose a threat, or that Adama no longer believed that she posed a threat. It's that Adama saw she didn't pose an IMMEDIATE threat. It's that to kill her, at that moment, in cold blood, without her taking further action against Adama...that would be wrong, because there might still be some small measure of hope that Cain isn't totally lost in the woods, that she might also reevaluate her position. It's not a strong chance, but it's a chance.

To use a bad analogy: An unsavory character looks like he might want to kill you and rob your home. You have an opportunity to defend your home. Do you shoot him when he takes that first step onto your grass? There's always a chance that maybe he's not there to kill you, that you're mistaken, or that you're exaggerating the threat in your own head. Do you then wait until he sets foot on your porch? There's still a little room for error there, but considerably less. Or do you wait until he tries to enter your home, when you can be sure it's the right decision, to be sure it's the decision of last resort? That's the set-up here.

In order words, it's the whole "preemptive strike" argument. Maybe you don't agree, but does it at least make sense? :)

[ChrisCollins]

I also thought that they made the attack on the Cylon base ships and the Resurrection ship look like it came off too easy.

It did seem a little easy. Galactica has never taken a Basestar head-on and won, now they get the Pegasus and they are able to take on two Basestars plus a transport. The only thing I can figure is that the Basestars were holding back trying to protect the Resurrection ship.

[Thudpucker]

Wow, did not see that coming. That was like rainbows an lollipops, the best possible scenario going on every side plot.

Starting to wonder if they really will leave the Pegusus in the show now.

[xyzzy]

Wow, did not see that coming. That was like rainbows an lollipops, the best possible scenario going on every side plot.

Starting to wonder if they really will leave the Pegusus in the show now.

With the big deal they made about the promotion, I have to think that they will. Plus, it makes for another source of internal conflict, which is really what the show is all about.

[FedEx Fanboy]

It did seem a little easy. Galactica has never taken a Basestar head-on and won, now they get the Pegasus and they are able to take on two Basestars plus a transport. The only thing I can figure is that the Basestars were holding back trying to protect the Resurrection ship.

Yea... For all the attack preperation, I thought we'd get to see a more of an organized attack. But they ended up just throwing everyone into the melee. I know they have to keep the CGI down for production costs, but...

[LowKey]

They'll leave it in, at least until the season finale. The show IS called 'Battlestar Galactica'. Hopefully, they'll integrate the crews a little more before Pegasus meets it's inevitable demise. I kinda like that cackling X-O.

[Thudpucker]

With the big deal they made about the promotion, I have to think that they will. Plus, it makes for another source of internal conflict, which is really what the show is all about.

The only downside I can see is that they risk cluttering the plot. There are already so many things left hanging (the survivors on Caprica, the Terrorist who became head of the Council, that Cylon reporter hiding in the fleet still. All the civilians on the ships with stories still to tell and ways to be used.) Adding in the drama of Pegus and her crew as a perminent addition, especially with the show about to shift focus to the President dying?

Tricky. The like to split the cast and have multiple subplots always going. If they arn't carefull they will have too much hanging in the air at once.

[Thudpucker]

They'll leave it in, at least until the season finale. The show IS called 'Battlestar Galactica'. Hopefully, they'll integrate the crews a little more before Pegasus meets it's inevitable demise. I kinda like that cackling X-O.

I like the civilian engineer too. Hope they both stay.

[alexlannin]

Personally, I liked the way they did the attack. I think I've seen plenty of space fights, this was something different, kind of refreshing. Mind you, I wouldn't welcome it every week.

[Thudpucker]

Personally, I liked the way they did the attack. I think I've seen plenty of space fights, this was something different, kind of refreshing. Mind you, I wouldn't welcome it every week.

I was a bit disappointed about it. I've been waiting for a really intense spacebattle, I was hoping this would be it.

Still a fantastic episode and the best Sci-fi show ever. Just would appreciate seeing the Vipers in action more.

[Gunter]

Personally, I liked the way they did the attack. I think I've seen plenty of space fights, this was something different, kind of refreshing. Mind you, I wouldn't welcome it every week.


It was different and after watching it again I'll admit it worked better for the story.

I still think they took the easy way out with Cain. If they weren't going to have Starbuck kill her then let her live and cause more problems. Having her killed by a Cylon was just a little too convenient to me.

[wabi-sabi]

You're forgetting the first and most primal thing about humanity. Survival of the fittest. This above all has become paramount in the show. Cain kew this and had to do terrible things for the Pegasus to survive. Adama preformed questionable acts on several occasions like blowing up the civilian ship. And the President knew this when she told Adama to assassinate Cain. If the Cylon didn't pop Cain, shit would have hit the fan one way or the other. For certain having far greater consequences to both ships and the fleet.

More importantly, the need of "necessary evil" has and always will be hand-in- hand with humanity. That's part of what makes us Human. We are not only beings of light, but also of dark and grey.
And that is what makes this show so great. It shows the soiled, grimey parts of humanity, even the ones that you are supposed to be cheering for. And that whole conversation between Boomer and Adama was outstanding.

[FedEx Fanboy]

And that is what makes this show so great. It shows the soiled, grimey parts of humanity, even the ones that you are supposed to be cheering for. And that whole conversation between Boomer and Adama was outstanding.

And that's why they needed to not pussy out and have Starback blow Cain's fucking head off.

[BrianS]

This is, by far, the best fucking show on television. I was just blown away by all three parts of the Pegasus story line.