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Kefky
01-11-2006, 08:43 PM
It's not a Fake it's right on Marvel's Site

:jackoff:

Fake previews are also on their site.

Fake astonishing cover was on their site.

Marvel fucks with you because it's easy.

NATE!
01-11-2006, 08:45 PM
:jackoff:

Fake previews are also on their site.

Fake astonishing cover was on their site.

Marvel fucks with you because it's easy.

That would be absolutely hilarious.

Kefky
01-11-2006, 08:46 PM
That would be absolutely hilarious.

I'm already laughing here. ;)

NATE!
01-11-2006, 08:47 PM
I'm already laughing here. ;)

And half the people who freaked out in this thread would play it off as if they knew it all along. ;)

Kefky
01-11-2006, 08:48 PM
And half the people who freaked out in this thread would play it off as if they knew it all along. ;)

Actually, no, they'd say marvel changed it at the last minute 'cause everyone hated it.


"DAMN YOU, MARVEL!!! YOU WIN THIS TIME!!!"

emeraldsundae
01-11-2006, 08:48 PM
If it's real or fake... it's still pretty hideous.

Petey Parker
01-11-2006, 08:49 PM
If it's real or fake... it's still pretty hideous.

Agreed :)

Kefky
01-11-2006, 08:50 PM
Agreed :)

It looks like it was squibbled by a freakin' 5-year-old. Marvel isn't stupid enough to release something like that for real. They'd at the very least make it look good.

NATE!
01-11-2006, 08:51 PM
It looks like it was squibbled by a freakin' 5-year-old. Marvel isn't stupid enough to release something like that for real. They'd at the very least make it look good.

If the gold parts were black, it would look good.

andrew french
01-11-2006, 09:04 PM
it honestly looks fine.

there's still ultimate spider-man and 40 years of history to read.

if anything, maybe they'll just give him the costume he wears in that 500th issue, the clothes in which he dies.

DeleriumTremens
01-11-2006, 09:08 PM
I smell a fake.

adventure metal
01-11-2006, 09:12 PM
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/images/ben_reilly/spider14.jpg



Doesn't Look So Bad, Now does it?;-)

Actually, the feet are the same

chris page
01-11-2006, 09:15 PM
even if they change the costume for that storyline, at some point he'll revert back to the original suit, just like he has everytime they've fucked with the costume. (and this new one really is hideous)

it's funny when people freak out about these things, because really? they aren't gonna fuck with a good thing for too long. they'll keep it around briefly to make people get mad and uppity and draw all kinds of publicity, and then it'll be back to the status quo.

Petey Parker
01-11-2006, 09:17 PM
even if they change the costume for that storyline, at some point he'll revert back to the original suit, just like he has everytime they've fucked with the costume. (and this new one really is hideous)

it's funny when people freak out about these things, because really? they aren't gonna fuck with a good thing for too long. they'll keep it around briefly to make people get mad and uppity and draw all kinds of publicity, and then it'll be back to the status quo.

Exactly. Spider-Man 3 is just around the corner so even if there is a new costume, its not gonna be around very long.

A.Huerta
01-11-2006, 09:18 PM
It's just sad after 40 yrs. this is all they can do, or try at least.

adventure metal
01-11-2006, 09:23 PM
We are definately being laughed at right now.

Goodnightnow

Mark Mavro (kryptic6)
01-11-2006, 09:36 PM
I'm betting a lot of money that they're at the retreat right now laughing at our reactions.

A.Huerta
01-11-2006, 09:38 PM
True, but its still looks shitty.:D

Vonn Hennigar
01-11-2006, 09:40 PM
http://www.chiles.leon.k12.fl.us/real_chiles2/dept/tech/karmanos/Student%20ME%20pages/WD_0304/2003/W1_6th/tyler%20T/superman_blue.gif

http://www.thekryptonian.com/images/costumes/superman-red.jpg


Even Superman Blue and Superman Red are laughing at Spider-Man's New Costume.

Hil
01-11-2006, 09:44 PM
Wait... I've figured it out. Marvel's taking a page for GW Bush. They "appoint" a new costume they know is not qualified. They let everyone rag on it and fear what might happen should Spidey's costume hang in his closet. Then they withdraw that sketch and replace it with a really conservative costume that once wrote a paper about how abortion should be illegal. People will be so thankful that Spidey isn't wearing the totally unqualified costume, they'll give the other crappy costume a break.

Brilliant!

Len Ford
01-11-2006, 10:22 PM
Spidey's red and yellow like Iron Man and Spider-Woman... not a big fan of the costume. It looks very similar to the Venom symbiote with a new color scheme.

Anyway, so I'm guessing the new costume and now being "in debt" to Iron Man will force Spidey to choose Iron Man's side in Civil War... or atleast Tony trying to manipulate him to be on his side.

I'm not sure how I feel about the changes but I'll read the story before I judge. Like many have already said, I doubt this costume will be around forever. It's always only a matter of time before the original costume comes back.

-Len

Doug
01-12-2006, 04:42 AM
I'm not too worried. There is no way this costume will last. They can't replace one of the most iconic costumes with this dreck.

I have a feeling that something will happen in Civil War that will bring Peter back to classic costume.

It would be like replacing Batman's costume with some type of armor. Maybe Quesada can design that too.;)

(I didn't read all 28 pages so if these views have already been expressed: Mia Culpa.)

SteveZegers
01-12-2006, 04:51 AM
It's not so bad. Kinda like it. Maybe not for Spider-Man, but I kinda like it. Better than Superman Blue, that's for dammed sure.

PoWerSurge
01-12-2006, 04:56 AM
Why couldn't we have seen this picture BEFORE Bendis went to his Marvel meeting?

Titus211
01-12-2006, 04:59 AM
The costume is hideous.

And while we're complaining: can we please get Deodato to stop using Jason Priestly pics as a reference for drawing Peter Parker?

For that matter, it would also help if the writers stopped using 90210 plot devices for their stories...

BronxRonin
01-12-2006, 05:01 AM
Oh, sure, show everyone up... :D


:D

Kefky
01-12-2006, 05:03 AM
For that matter, it would also help if the writers stopped using 90210 plot devices for their stories...

You mean like they've always used since the character was conceived, 'cause you know, spidey's always basically been a soap-opera, specially during the silver age Romita era?

Wagon
01-12-2006, 05:05 AM
- Batman and + Ghost Rider and you have the NEW Fantastic Four which was popular :)

did that ever exist outside of those couple issues where they went to find the original FF, who had been abducted?

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 05:47 AM
It's not a Fake it's right on Marvel's Site
During Assistant Editor's Month--traditionally the time for Marvel to play pranks on fans.

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 05:49 AM
even if they change the costume for that storyline, at some point he'll revert back to the original suit, just like he has everytime they've fucked with the costume. (and this new one really is hideous)

it's funny when people freak out about these things, because really? they aren't gonna fuck with a good thing for too long. they'll keep it around briefly to make people get mad and uppity and draw all kinds of publicity, and then it'll be back to the status quo.
Don't forget that Wolverine ran around without adamantium for 10 years.

Titus211
01-12-2006, 06:00 AM
You mean like they've always used since the character was conceived, 'cause you know, spidey's always basically been a soap-opera, specially during the silver age Romita era?

True.

I'm not saying Spidey (or any book, for that matter) isn't bascially a soap-opera at it's core. I'm saying the current story arcs are unenjoyable. Maybe not the worst Spider-Man story ever, but it's in the conversation.

And the new costume hurts my eyes.

Thudpucker
01-12-2006, 06:01 AM
During Assistant Editor's Month--traditionally the time for Marvel to play pranks on fans.

HA! I didn't catch that. This is a great stunt :lol:

Generic Poster
01-12-2006, 06:21 AM
Don't forget that Wolverine ran around without adamantium for 10 years.

No shit? Did he really go around scratching people with his bones for that long?

Horizon Drive
01-12-2006, 06:24 AM
I think how this other storyline is going to resolve itself is that the head-eating, wrist-spear popping one is the other and the "enemy" is actually Peter.

WAKKAJAWAKKA
01-12-2006, 06:24 AM
I Almost Don't Care.

Wayno.

Evan the Shaggy
01-12-2006, 06:40 AM
Here's a way better redesign:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2812/spm4uh.jpg

sto110
01-12-2006, 06:49 AM
Here's a way better redesign:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2812/spm4uh.jpg

That is much better. I think they should take the design and make it black and white.

Colin Boylan
01-12-2006, 06:51 AM
I can't see the new costume lasting long...

Captain Nate
01-12-2006, 06:55 AM
did that ever exist outside of those couple issues where they went to find the original FF, who had been abducted?

Erik Larsen did a sort of "What If?" the new FF remained together in the Wolverine issue of Ages of Apocalypse crossover.

Shwicaz
01-12-2006, 06:56 AM
Here's a way better redesign:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2812/spm4uh.jpg


the shadow behind him is all 'funky'.

is that part of his new powers?

or is that 'the other'?


:lol:

Gavin
01-12-2006, 07:24 AM
Looks pretty lame. Doubt it lasts.

Wagon
01-12-2006, 07:26 AM
Erik Larsen did a sort of "What If?" the new FF remained together in the Wolverine issue of Ages of Apocalypse crossover.

ahh, okay, i had missed that. I just remembered when it happened in the FF book...

Captain Nate
01-12-2006, 07:28 AM
ahh, okay, i had missed that. I just remembered when it happened in the FF book...

The new FF reunited (sort of) in Marvel Megamorphs.

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 07:31 AM
I think how this other storyline is going to resolve itself is that the head-eating, wrist-spear popping one is the other and the "enemy" is actually Peter.
That'd be cool, I think. Whose head did he eat?

Horizon Drive
01-12-2006, 07:33 AM
Morlun's

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 07:38 AM
Morlun's
I never understood why Morlun gave Spidey such problems. He's taken out guys like Firelord and the Absorbing Man by himself before. And did they ever explain why the New Avengers didn't help him out this time around?

Horizon Drive
01-12-2006, 07:41 AM
I guess he figured enough is enough and ate his head.

ChrisCollins
01-12-2006, 07:44 AM
I never understood why Morlun gave Spidey such problems. He's taken out guys like Firelord and the Absorbing Man by himself before. And did they ever explain why the New Avengers didn't help him out this time around?

Peter didn't want to involve them in something he saw as his fight. Yeah its a pretty lame excuse, but its necessary else the Avengers would become the deus ex machina to solve Peter's problems everytime he gets into a jam.

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 07:45 AM
I guess he figured enough is enough and ate his head.
But somehow he couldn't bring himself to kill Carnage way back when.

A Spider-Man that stabs people and eats them is definitely not something that I can get behind. I really hope that it isn't the real Spidey that's doing that stuff.

mayhemspider
01-12-2006, 07:49 AM
I don't believe it...It can't be this bad.

But it still looks like he'll use his old one in Marvel Knights & FNSM
no they said it won't debut in those titles until april, 2 months after its debut in amazing.

personally, i'd much prefer the house of m costume. or a retweaked black costume. this is just horrid.

Horizon Drive
01-12-2006, 07:51 AM
I am not disagreeing. I think a lot of this changes the basic character of Spider-Man. I am seriously considering not renewing my subscription whe it expires.

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 07:52 AM
Peter didn't want to involve them in something he saw as his fight. Yeah its a pretty lame excuse, but its necessary else the Avengers would become the deus ex machina to solve Peter's problems everytime he gets into a jam.
That's crap. He knew that Morlun was too much for him physically. The first time Morlun showed up didn't he try to find the Avengers and they were away on some sort of mission? I think it would've been very funny if Peter could've gotten Iron Man and the Sentry to act as bodyguards against Morlun.

Captain Nate
01-12-2006, 07:52 AM
no they said it won't debut in those titles until april, 2 months after its debut in amazing.

personally, i'd much prefer the house of m costume. or a retweaked black costume. this is just horrid.

Where'd it say that?

Alexander Hamilton
01-12-2006, 07:56 AM
ummm... Am I the only one who kind of likes it?




apparently.

Bill?
01-12-2006, 08:47 AM
ummm... Am I the only one who kind of likes it?




apparently.

I really dont think its that bad. you know, I can deal with it. its a silly little thing that'll never last. plus superheroes never wear their damn costumes anymore anyways.

WinterRose
01-12-2006, 08:52 AM
I doubt its like the Spider-Amor, more like the Batman Beyond suit probably.


It helps if the costume doesn't suck ass... like that one does.

But to prove the point I'll see your 'Spider-man Black' and raise you a 'Armored Daredevil' and a Superman Blue'

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/thudpucker/cbm31b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/thudpucker/ElectricSupermanBlue.png

It's not QUITE like Batman Beyond... But hey, we should all have a little faith right? There's no precedent for Joe Quesada taking a long and well established character, putting them through the wringer only to stick them in some new cyber-armour costume, right?

http://www.virtualtoychest.com/kennerbatman/batlegazc.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/WinterRose/Det667.jpg

I'll call your Armoured Daredevil and Superman Blue with Joe Quesada's 'Patented Handy Dandy Super Cyber Batman Armour!' There was an interview with Quesada in an issue of Diamond Previews where they presented his design sketches for this armor, and how cool he thought it would be. I suppose it COULD be a hoax. But I don't give JQ that much credit.

I'm still hoping for this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/WinterRose/FutureSpiderManJMScopy.jpg

bstie1198
01-12-2006, 08:56 AM
Where'd it say that?

In the article.


Look for the new costume to debut in February’s Amazing Spider-Man #529. It will then be seen in the pages of Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man and Marvel Knights Spider-Man in April.

SteveZegers
01-12-2006, 08:57 AM
ummm... Am I the only one who kind of likes it?




apparently.
No. I said the same thing. That's just a sketch too. It will look much better in the book.

Alexander Hamilton
01-12-2006, 08:57 AM
I really dont think its that bad. you know, I can deal with it. its a silly little thing that'll never last. plus superheroes never wear their damn costumes anymore anyways.

I haven't been reading the other... but according to the solits it seems story appropriate. Really it makes sense. This guy is living with Iron Man and has access to all of his technology. If you were sticking your neck on the line every day and had family at home wouldn't you want to update your gear as much as possible.

bachman
01-12-2006, 08:58 AM
Ok, after reading the article, it looks like it might be a fake.

It says Tony and Peter argue about a costume, and it will have some type of impact on Civil War. That sounds rather silly.

WinterRose
01-12-2006, 09:16 AM
Ok, after reading the article, it looks like it might be a fake.

It says Tony and Peter argue about a costume, and it will have some type of impact on Civil War. That sounds rather silly.

Silly? Surely. Now consider the writer/editor we're talking about here. If it is a hoax, I won't let him put me off of Spidey. Spidey will outlast him as EIC. It will live on beyond him and his flash in the pan 1990's marketing tactics. Ultimately, Quesada will cool and clever himself right out of the corner office. And we'll be better off for it. At least... as long as his replacement isn't THIS man:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/JonHook/Wizard%20World%20Chicago%2003/RobLiefeld.jpg
Rob Liefield
(Perspectivus Oblivious)

Oh my... have I invoked a species of Godwin's law here? Mentioning nazis in a political thread ENDS all arguments in that thread. Does mentioning Liefield in a comics thread do the same thing?

NCKfury27
01-12-2006, 09:32 AM
what does brian have to say about all of this!?!

NickBurgess
01-12-2006, 09:38 AM
I don't get why anyone would get their panties in a bunch over this

#1 - Obviously they can't permanently change Spider-Man's costume. His look is what sells band-aids, cereal, backpacks, sneakers, etc.

Which leads to

#2 - This is a story, it seems, about Tony Stark making a new costume for Spider-Man, and Spider-Man thinking the colors are dumb. That is a story I would read! It's not like they're trying to extremify him or something. Iron Man probably WOULD want to help his teammates make new costumes. And then he probably would take control of the project and insist the costumes be "his" colors. And Spider-Man would grumble about it. It's a story.

Liquid
01-12-2006, 09:39 AM
ugh, bring back the black.

Hey! You stole my old avatar :eek:

tjtolosa
01-12-2006, 10:14 AM
What a lot of drama over a silly little costume change... I guess I'm one of the few that actually like that they are bringing some change to spidey. Oh well.

WinterRose
01-12-2006, 11:32 AM
Hey! You stole my old avatar :eek:

Hey! I'm watching those movies right now!

copypastepuke
01-12-2006, 11:37 AM
he kind of looks like carnage.

Evan the Shaggy
01-12-2006, 11:40 AM
What a lot of drama over a silly little costume change... I guess I'm one of the few that actually like that they are bringing some change to spidey. Oh well.

Hey I'm all for change but when Spiderman gets Wolverine like spikes shooting out of his arms, starts eating peoples' heads and gets a rather ugly new costume, I'm sure a lot of people aren't gonna welcome these changes with open arms.

Horizon Drive
01-12-2006, 11:43 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if this is Raimi's idea for the costume in the third movie and marvel is just trying to get everyone familiar with the change in costume. Sort of like how DC comics changed Batman's costume in 1989 to familiarize everyone with the new look. In the Batman comics in late 88, early 1989 he had black make-up around his eyes and couldn't move his head. Good times.

The Human Target
01-12-2006, 11:45 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if this is Raimi's idea for the costume in the third movie and marvel is just trying to get everyone familiar with the change in costume. Sort of like how DC comics changed Batman's costume in 1989 to familiarize everyone with the new look. In the Batman comics in late 88, early 1989 he had black make-up around his eyes and couldn't move his head. Good times.

Yeah, but he darkened the costume up and made it look less like pajamas. So why would he swing towards that?

Horizon Drive
01-12-2006, 11:49 AM
Raimi? I don't know, maybe he got drunk with power and decided to "re-imagine" the character.

WinterRose
01-12-2006, 12:02 PM
Sam wouldn't do that to us. Say it ain't so Mr. Raimi.

Professor Oreo
01-12-2006, 12:02 PM
They just need to do a palette swap of his original costume and invert the colors. Make all of the red parts black, and all blue parts red. so You'll see red webbing on his black head - kinda like the "Earth X" version of Venom. Easy as pie.

Horizon Drive
01-12-2006, 12:04 PM
Uhm, I thought it was obvious that the posting I did about Raimi changing the costume so drastically was a joke. I have to start using the damn emoticons.

Humphrey_Lee
01-12-2006, 12:24 PM
My reply to the costume:

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH!!!

Oh god, I love it when they do moronic ass shit like this. Why any editor anywhere gives this idea the "thumbs up" is so beyond me. Jesus fuck that's funny.

Caley Tibbittz
01-12-2006, 12:28 PM
Gah.

PeteL
01-12-2006, 12:31 PM
How does that seem like a good idea? It's GROSS.

Greenville 90210
01-12-2006, 12:47 PM
That's called running out of ideas and trying anything.

Ben
01-12-2006, 12:56 PM
That's called running out of ideas and trying anything.:blah: :roll:

Jew Mafia
01-12-2006, 12:58 PM
If they would go with the designs in my sig, I would totally forgive Marvel.

Bill?
01-12-2006, 01:01 PM
If they would go with the designs in my sig, I would totally forgive Marvel.

they're probably saving that for Clone Saga part 2!

McAfee
01-12-2006, 01:01 PM
Tony Stark developed this based on a drunken binge and an evil morning-after shit he took. That HAS to be the explanation...

Greenville 90210
01-12-2006, 01:01 PM
If they would go with the designs in my sig, I would totally forgive Marvel.

I like the black and white one a lot.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/h/hulkhogan/94.jpg

Jew Mafia
01-12-2006, 01:05 PM
they're probably saving that for Clone Saga part 2!
Attack of the Fabulous Spider-Men

WinterRose
01-12-2006, 01:07 PM
I'm tellin' ya folks...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/WinterRose/FutureSpiderManJMScopy.jpg

Give the man some CLOTHES! Let him fight crime in more than his jammies. I love that scene:


Leo Zelinski: Can I ask you a question first?
Spider-Man: Sure.
LZ: Who did your costume?
SM: I don't-
LZ: See, I'm looking at your costume-
SM: Uniform.
LZ: Whatever, and it's... well, it's not very good is it? I mean it says spider, and if that's all you want it to say, that's terrific, who am I to judge? As a symbol it makes a statement.
But as a piece of clothing it's not so good. For starters, you wanna eat, you gotta pull up your mask. Very inconvenient. You could have a nice little something there, a vent, maybe a mouthpiece, you can close it with velcro, or leave it open-
SM: Wait a second-
LZ: The fabric, I'm guessing spandex, something like that. You overheat a lot in this thing don't you? You got no weather-proofing, no proper ventilation... You could get athelete's foot all over your body in a thing like this. So who designed it?
SM: (Icily) ... I did.

The Amazing Spider-Man #502: 'You Want Pants With That?'
J.M.Straczynski, John Romita Jr., Scott Hanna

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 01:17 PM
I'm tellin' ya folks...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/WinterRose/FutureSpiderManJMScopy.jpg

Give the man some CLOTHES! Let him fight crime in more than his jammies. I love that scene:



The Amazing Spider-Man #502: 'You Want Pants With That?'
J.M.Straczynski, John Romita Jr., Scott Hanna
That's a mostly dumb issue, though.

I did like it when the costume reappeared when Spidey was jumping through time, but no, overall I don't care for it. It's not streamlined enough for Spider-Man. He should be sleek.

A.Huerta
01-12-2006, 01:24 PM
Have Peter wear that old-school suit up there ^ and give the original spidey costume to a new kid/spider-man. Seriously, these 40 yr.old characters NEED to age.

BronxRonin
01-12-2006, 01:32 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/Jmor30/ironspidercopy.jpg

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 01:35 PM
Have Peter wear that old-school suit up there ^ and give the original spidey costume to a new kid/spider-man. Seriously, these 40 yr.old characters NEED to age.
Why? Because you do? They're fictional characters. They don't have to age along with you.

A.Huerta
01-12-2006, 01:41 PM
I dont care if they age with ME, they're just a tad boring now. Thats why I read Invincible and other new ish. I'm just saying you can only do so much if the character stays the same, if they get just a taaaad older then new stories can be told, adds new elements and crap. People who are saying change is good, is correct, but new costumes with tweaked powers don't add much to an already great character.

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 01:50 PM
I dont care if they age with ME, they're just a tad boring now. Thats why I read Invincible and other new ish. I'm just saying you can only do so much if the character stays the same, if they get just a taaaad older then new stories can be told, adds new elements and crap. People who are saying change is good, is correct, but new costumes with tweaked powers don't add much to an already great character.
It's simple. If Spider-Man doesn't work for you any more then read something else and let other readers discover it for the first time. Peter Parker should never grow old and retire in the main Marvel Universe. Same way Bart Simpson should never graduate from school. Those sorts of stories work fine in What If or Elseworlds, but there's no reason to deprive new readers of characters that longtime readers may have gotten tired of.

A.Huerta
01-12-2006, 01:55 PM
How can NEW readers relate to this spider-man? He's an adult, right? I can't see kids/new readers relating to him. They're just entertaining the same people. If the heroes dont change, neither will the readers.

Simpsons is TV, and even that will end.

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 01:58 PM
How can NEW readers relate to this spider-man? He's an adult, right? I can't see kids/new readers relating to him. They're just entertaining the same people, if the heroes dont change and neither will the readers.

Simpsons is TV, and even that will end.
No, this monster-Spider-Man what with the stingers and face eating is a big mistake, if it is in fact Spider-Man, and not some evil doppleganger. I'm just talking about Peter Parker aging and moving on in his life. That never needs to happen.

A.Huerta
01-12-2006, 02:00 PM
Yeah, this "other" is pretty bad, it's like a cheap Clone saga.

WinterRose
01-12-2006, 03:17 PM
How can NEW readers relate to this spider-man? He's an adult, right? I can't see kids/new readers relating to him. They're just entertaining the same people. If the heroes dont change, neither will the readers.

Simpsons is TV, and even that will end.

I have to agree here. JMS makes good use of Pete being an adult now, putting him in an adult mindset makes for good writing. He's always been a more mature person than his years. Making have some lost childhood now that he's a grown man would be ridiculous. Writing the book so that kids or teenagers can relate to him? That would seem to be what Bendis an Bags are doing over in the ultimate title. You've got one the kids can relate to. SO what's wrong with letting people grow the hell up?

I swear I felt a wave of unreality as I read some of the stuff I was behind on today. Among those were Invincible Iron Man 5 and X-Men Mythos 1 (And I swear to you Mr. Ellis, I will do whatever interesting carnal thing you describe so well, you will forget women and crave it for the rest of your days if only you STAY ON IRON MAN!!! And this from a pretty die hard heterosexual too.) If anything, Marvel seems to be going in the OPPOSITE direction of aging the characters. While those were some well written updates of 616 history, whole chunks of old stories seemed to float away and dissipate like smoke unsettlingly as I read.

I comprehended what I was reading. I've read since the age of 3, starting with newspaper comic strips. I've never had to actually struggle in a technical sense. But I struggled with these two a bit. Mythos a LOT more than Iron Man. But there was that same feeling with both. They weren't going to age the characters. They were just going to keep moving their origins up further and further in history. I had to read Mythos like it was an otherworlds story, seeing as they were talking Department of Homeland Security, though that only occurred more than 400 issues into their book, yet they were all meeting Magneto for the first time yet again.

Tony Stark's origin moved as far forward as it did, cutting out his cold-war era origin for the newer war on terror origin was a bit of an easier sell cos I haven't read what went before there. It's great stuff. I'll read it. But I betcha if I was a longtime fan, I'd feel a little alienated. Newer readers should get jumping on points, sure. But keeping them young so new readers can identify with em doesn't wash. How many youngsters howadays identify with WWII era Steve Rogers? Or will he become a vietnam vet in the next ten years? A cold war relic? He's from an era inhabited by great grandparents nowadays. Ask a 13 year old to relate to rationing and 'TURN OUT THOSE LIGHTS!!!" After you explain what those things ARE to him.

If you're hemoragging readers, it's not by attrition like with cigarette companies needing to hook em young as the older ones die off. They're not dying. If they're fan enough to go to a comic store and buy em, they're likely fan enough to keep on buying em one would think. So if they're leaving, its likely cos they're bored. And if they're bored, is it a sensible remedy for your ailment to dollop up a heaping prescription of the 'same old thing' with new attitude? Aging characters naturally would seem to be a GREAT solution.

J. R. Scherer
01-12-2006, 03:27 PM
Aging characters naturally would seem to be a GREAT solution.
So Marvel should give up on trying to get new, younger readers for Spider-Man and only concentrate on the folks that frequent direct sales outlets?

A.Huerta
01-12-2006, 04:51 PM
They have Ultimate Spider-man to read. All kids talk about is Ultimate Spider-man anyway, with the games and all.

Thudpucker
01-12-2006, 05:16 PM
It's not QUITE like Batman Beyond... But hey, we should all have a little faith right? There's no precedent for Joe Quesada taking a long and well established character, putting them through the wringer only to stick them in some new cyber-armour costume, right?

http://www.virtualtoychest.com/kennerbatman/batlegazc.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/WinterRose/Det667.jpg

I'll call your Armoured Daredevil and Superman Blue with Joe Quesada's 'Patented Handy Dandy Super Cyber Batman Armour!' There was an interview with Quesada in an issue of Diamond Previews where they presented his design sketches for this armor, and how cool he thought it would be. I suppose it COULD be a hoax. But I don't give JQ that much credit.

I'm still hoping for this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/WinterRose/FutureSpiderManJMScopy.jpg

:lol: I forgot that Joey Q was the one responsible for Azriel. Ahhh, the 90's!

WinterRose
01-12-2006, 05:30 PM
So Marvel should give up on trying to get new, younger readers for Spider-Man and only concentrate on the folks that frequent direct sales outlets?

I did in fact say that there should be jumping on points for new readers. What I also tried to point out was that the age of the character has no bearing on their accessability, unless Captain America is completely outmoded. Are you saying that all the characters should be in the 16 to 25 bracket lest they be oblique to new readers? If that's so, The New Mutants ought to be having a resurgence.

Yup. ANY time now.

Yepperdoodledoo.

...

Dammit!

Randomus
01-12-2006, 05:40 PM
Hey.

Hey.

You leave Azreal out of this. He was awesome. :(

sto110
01-12-2006, 05:42 PM
I am loving this thread.

J. R. Scherer
01-13-2006, 06:01 AM
I did in fact say that there should be jumping on points for new readers. What I also tried to point out was that the age of the character has no bearing on their accessability, unless Captain America is completely outmoded. Are you saying that all the characters should be in the 16 to 25 bracket lest they be oblique to new readers? If that's so, The New Mutants ought to be having a resurgence.

Yup. ANY time now.

Yepperdoodledoo.

...

Dammit!
I loved the early issues of New Mutants, with Bob McLeod and Bill Sienkiewicz (even though I felt he would've been better served on a more 'adult' book).