Marvel Declares Civil War...

[CraigM]

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=52549 (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=52549)


According to the solicitation copy for March's New Avengers: The Illuminati special, the Marvel Universe "is about to split down the middle", and now a preview of this month’s cover to Marvel Previews (for products shipping in March) officially gives that split a name and reveals the title of the “Whose Side Are You On” summer event/limited series by writer Mark Millar and artist Steve McNiven to be “Civil War”.

Craig

[Randomus]

I wonder if it will CRACK THE INTERNET IN HALF?

[Mike Haseloff]

The universe being split with people choosing sides?




Gee, where do I feel like I've heard that before?
*COUGH*ONE YEAR LATER*COUGH*

[Raphael J]

I'm thinking that others, I believe in the Hulk/Fury thread, were right when they said that

that Nick Fury was operating with a rogue faction of SHIELD and striking back at those who have filled his role. The decisions he, and others make, will lead to the Civil War where heroes have to choose ideaological sides. Should be very interesting.

[Howlett]

I'm looking forward to this.

[BENDIS!]

bet your ass!!


this is fun stuff.

[Mike Haseloff]

bet your ass!!


this is fun stuff.... you're gonna kill Namor, aren't you? :bored:

[Shannon Chenoweth]

Hey, I'm excited about what Marvel is doing right now. Hell, I've been buying all the Decimation titles. But, I'd like to see how this plays out before I head into the next thing. I'm assuming it follows all of this anyway.

[Shwicaz]

The universe being split with people choosing sides?




Gee, where do I feel like I've heard that before?
*COUGH*ONE YEAR LATER*COUGH*


hmm....secret war = identity crisis (mindwipes and betrayal)
Planet Hulk = Omac (sattellite gaining sentience and whatnot, and even more OMAC proof comes out in next week's issue, if you don't belive me)

House of M = infinite crisis/one year (or in marvel's case, a few days) later.

:lol:

[BENDIS!]

... you're gonna kill Namor, aren't you? :bored:

and youll not read it and talk about it anyhow.

[sonnylarue]

too...many...events...Make the baby go blind

[Shwicaz]

my previous post is a joke, by the way, so don't destroy me.

still, those are apt comparisons, if one wants to look.

[Taxman]

... you're gonna kill Namor, aren't you? :bored:Somehow I think BENDIS! would derive more pleasure from ripping the little wings off of his feet.

[BENDIS!]

secret war= written a year before ic was even solicited.

you guys are beginnig to unhinge. :)

fan wars is coming friday!!!!!!!

[Mike Haseloff]

and youll not read it and talk about it anyhow.I can only assume Alan Moore is grossly overrated. :roll:



I learnt my lesson when I bought TWO USM issues with Venom on the cover, and on the cover alone.

[wh park]

I'm taking a wait and see attitude about this as Millar is very hit and miss with me and McNiven is not a factor in whether I'll buy a book or not.

Still conceptually this book intrigues me and hopefully it will deliver on it's promise.

[Shwicaz]

secret war= written a year before ic was even solicited.



true, but the ending was kind of meh.

I had read that you said that you were able to go back and tweak things to reflect current continuity....

what exactly did you tweak?

[Randomus]

Will this event culminate with Captain Ultra joining the New Avengers?

Look, I just need my Captain Ultra fix, okay?

[Shannon Chenoweth]

So, summer 2007 will be the summer of Millar & McNiven. I am excited about that team-up. Should be sweet.

[sonnylarue]

actually, I truly loved Secret War #5

[Mike Haseloff]

hmm....secret war = identity crisis (mindwipes and betrayal)
Planet Hulk = Omac (sattellite gaining sentience and whatnot, and even more OMAC proof comes out in next week's issue, if you don't belive me)

House of M = infinite crisis/one year (or in marvel's case, a few days) later.

:lol:It all comes out!!! Shazam!

[Mike Haseloff]

Somehow I think BENDIS! would derive more pleasure from ripping the little wings off of his feet.And then revealing that by ripping his wings off, it releases mysterious mutant gasses inside his body, and he dies a tragic death, even though all he had to do was pick the wings up and reattach them?


"It... looks so easy! But... it's not! Must... blame... the artist..." :namor:

[Shannon Chenoweth]

actually, I truly loved Secret War #5

Haven't read it yet. In fact, I need to go pull out all my issues first. That's the only bad thing in my mind about it.

[copypastepuke]

i havent written a comic book yet.

[Flonk]

and youll not read it and talk about it anyhow.
http://www.dcist.com/images/2005_0615_yougotserved.jpg

[BENDIS!]

true, but the ending was kind of meh.

I had read that you said that you were able to go back and tweak things to reflect current continuity....

what exactly did you tweak?


well, i took hawkeye out of it :)

hope you get a chance to reread it all in a batch one day.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

Crazy. I just took my final for a class that dealt heavily with the actual Civil War, so it's really hard to take the titleMarvel Civil War very seriously. Millar rocks my fucking face off hard so I can't wait for his twisted ass take on the heroes.

[Shwicaz]

well, i took hawkeye out of it :)

hope you get a chance to reread it all in a batch one day.

yeah, I am a sucker and pre-ordered the HC.

The art is off the hook.

I am sure when I sit down and read it as a whole, I will enjoy it more (finding that happens a lot lately--maybe I should move to all trades.....)

[Flonk]

I'm taking a wait and see attitude about this as Millar is very hit and miss with me and McNiven is not a factor in whether I'll buy a book or not.

Still conceptually this book intrigues me and hopefully it will deliver on it's promise.

Agreed. When Millar hits, it's a grand slam, out of the park home run (Chosen)

But when he misses, it is waaaaaaaaay off. Like the pitcher was throwing to first base, and he swung anyway (Wolverine)

[copypastepuke]

i love MARVEL ZOMBIES.

i hope to see some people get really fucked up in civil war like people are fucked up in zombies.

cause the civil war was such a fucked up thing, it better have some fucked up shit in it to live up to the name. and it better be heartwrenching too.

i dont think it will disapoint. i have no reason to think that.

[CraigM]

I'm stoked. Are there a lot of mini's and events going on? Yeah. But, they're changing the status quo, and you don't just wake up and change it. You have to have a good story, and thus far, Marvel has delivered an amazing story thus far, one that I hope continues through next summer and beyond.

Craig

[The Human Target]

Is anyone esle singing the Guns N Roses song now?

[Flonk]

well, i took hawkeye out of it :)

hope you get a chance to reread it all in a batch one day.


When I read Ultimate Six all at once, I loved it. I'm sure Secret War will be the same way.


*slurp slurp*

[BENDIS!]

after ultimates 9 i can't imagine anyone having anything negative to say about mark's ability to destroy on this.

[Jew Mafia]

sounds like it may be fun and I'm on board for Millar, but I hope they leave Runaways out of this.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

after ultimates 9 i can't imagine anyone having anything negative to say about mark's ability to destroy on this.

Those action sequences... damn.

[Patton]

Those action sequences... damn.
indeed.

[The Human Target]

I hope regular Thor comes back as a hippie.

[copypastepuke]

Those action sequences... damn.

reminded me of APOLLO in the authority.

but still, it was awesome.

[Jew Mafia]

I hope regular Thor comes back as a hippie.

cheech an chong hippie or joan baez hippy?

[Simps]

well, i took hawkeye out of it :)

hope you get a chance to reread it all in a batch one day.

Somehow, I predict the Secret War hardcover being late as wel...

[Jason Truong]

damnit!!! as many tie ins as HoM...

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

reminded me of APOLLO in the authority.

but still, it was awesome.

I remember one of the first Millar things I ever read was a Millar arc with Quitely pencilling in the Authority where there was this overweight balding doctor villain taking on the team. It was one of the most twisted and amazing things I had ever read at the time. That's what got me to love his work. And then to follow that up with Ult. X-Men, he had me. If the guy showed up at my door, I would do the man dance. And I love women, so that's... wow.

[Shwicaz]

Somehow, I predict the Secret War hardcover being late as wel...


much like the oft-delayed Powers HC, I think it will be well worth the wait.

(can't believe the Powers HC is due in 3 weeks!!!)

and Bendis, while I 'have your ear', as much hell as I give you, I really enjoy your work. I didn't mean to insult or belittle you with my sarcastic 'shwic'

I may not agree with every story you write, but you keep me entertained on so many levels.

Thanks.


Now, back on topic......

[copypastepuke]

I remember one of the first Millar things I ever read was a Millar arc with Quitely pencilling in the Authority where there was this overweight balding doctor villain taking on the team. It was one of the most twisted and amazing things I had ever read at the time. That's what got me to love his work. And then to follow that up with Ult. X-Men, he had me. If the guy showed up at my door, I would do the man dance. And I love women, so that's... wow.

was millars run the one with wolverine leavin cyclops behind? and hten cyclops does the best zap i have ever seen?

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

was millars run the one with wolverine leavin cyclops behind? and hten cyclops does the best zap i have ever seen?

Yep, that was toward the end of the run. And I know he's an advocate of short 12 issue runs, but that was more like 30-40 issues I think, and had so many great moments.

[copypastepuke]

yeah i am really looking forward to kirkman being on uxm.

i think he will kick some serious ass.

[WinterRose]

Well... I suppose it's interesting... One hopes that this isn't gonna turn into a crossover event of the year pissing contest with DC. Anyone who remembers the 90's knows where that goes. Right into the shitter. Next thing we'll have the foil embossed covers again polybagged with 12 Classic Overpower cards in it and a CD-ROM with a flash comic attached.

Alls I'm saying is don't get carried away with this guys.

That, and don't use it as an excuse to bring Jean Grey back from the dead. Let the bitch rot.

[WinterRose]

Speaking of THor coming back to the 616 as a hippie (Lemme issue a pre-emptive "What's the 616?" even tho I damn well know what it is at this point.), Hey OEMING? What's the deal here? There were these things about Thor starting up again with people finding asgardian objects of power and becoming new asgardians. And of course now that Dani's maimed, she's prime material to be head of the Valkyrior. If not the new avatar of Sif.

In any case, I thought that was getting ready to rev up. Now I'm hearing Illuminati this, Planet Hulk that, Decimation other thing, and Civil War whozamathingits. What happened to the big Asgardian reboot? Did you not deliver the requisite number of hookers for JQ to snort coke off the backs of or something? What gives?

[Thomas Mauer]

sounds like it may be fun and I'm on board for Millar, but I hope they leave Runaways out of this.
There's always Switzerland for the no-side-takers. ;)

[BENDIS!]

much like the oft-delayed Powers HC, I think it will be well worth the wait.

(can't believe the Powers HC is due in 3 weeks!!!)

and Bendis, while I 'have your ear', as much hell as I give you, I really enjoy your work. I didn't mean to insult or belittle you with my sarcastic 'shwic'

I may not agree with every story you write, but you keep me entertained on so many levels.

Thanks.


Now, back on topic......

ron, you are one of my favorite posters. of all time. i love your honesty and by no means need or want anything but your honesty. you speak your mind.

and thanks.

[Shwicaz]

geez, your making me all sorts of blush-y.

Can't wait to meet you in NYC in February.

I demand a hug. ;)

[Howlett]

geez, your making me all sorts of blush-y.

Can't wait to meet you in NYC in February.

I demand a hug. ;)
Bendis' pet :lol:

[Captain Nate]

I just hope it's like House of M, where I don't have to buy all the tie-ins to enjoy it.

[Joshzilla]

secret war= written a year before ic was even solicited.

you guys are beginnig to unhinge. :)

fan wars is coming friday!!!!!!!

I :heart: your spelling, I really do. You're like a lil bald immigrant.

[mayhemspider]

sounds kinda cool i guess. i don't know, i love millar most of the time, when it doesn't seem like he's being over-the-top for over-the-top's-sake (wanted), and mcniven has never done a bad thing in my eyes. but big event after big event is starting to wear on me. thank god the ultimate universe never really does this, otherwise we'd never get normal stories.
as far as civil war itself goes, i'm thinking this is going to be a thinly veiled allegory for the current administration and its red vs. blue mentality, which should be cool with me. hell, you couldn't even tell secret war had a real life political motive till this last issue, so....
basically it comes down to mcniven. which i hate to say. i NEVER buy books for their art. but his stuff....damn.

[SteveZegers]

What's so civil about war anyway?


Sounds interesting. I always thought it would be cool to see it come down to mutants vs everyone else. (For whatever reason) Maybe it will be like that.

[twigglet]

Hmmm thats interesting, who would you like to see this civil war to be bewteen?

I'd love to see a team like the Avengers or the X-men split down the middle in this.

[ThisSpaceForRent]

The art is off the hook.


Oh, shit...no one told Shwicaz...
We (all of humanity) decided to stop using the phrase "off the hook". No one liked it, it really didn't make any sense, and we retired it. :D

[Shwicaz]

Oh, shit...no one told Shwicaz...
We (all of humanity) decided to stop using the phrase "off the hook". No one liked it, it really didn't make any sense, and we retired it. :D

:burned:

I hate you.

[Cth]

I saw an interesting theory posted on another board..

Quicksilver is going to the Inhumans in an attempt to regain his powers.. Black Bolt refuses.

Now for a bit of added speculation..

The Kree/Skrull 2 War comes to Earth. Without a lot of mutants to help defend Earth, they turn to Black Bolt to enlist his help, and refuses. Skrulls left behind on Earth shapeshift, (helping smooth over continuity errors) causing people to question who's real and who's a Skrull.

Anyways, I'm hyped, I just wish they'd steer clear of "real world" names that bring baggage with them (Civil War; Illuminati; etc)

[rwsmith]

hmm....secret war = identity crisis (mindwipes and betrayal)
Planet Hulk = Omac (sattellite gaining sentience and whatnot, and even more OMAC proof comes out in next week's issue, if you don't belive me)

House of M = infinite crisis/one year (or in marvel's case, a few days) later.

:lol:

Yeah, but in this case the story involves characters I actually care about. All of DC's characters just seem lame to me, with the exception of Batman.

[ds9]

The universe being split with people choosing sides?




Gee, where do I feel like I've heard that before?
*COUGH*ONE YEAR LATER*COUGH*Sounds like the current Dc crisis to me too.

[rwsmith]

Hmmm thats interesting, who would you like to see this civil war to be bewteen?

I'd love to see a team like the Avengers or the X-men split down the middle in this.

It'd be interesting to see where Wolverine's loyalty would fall, that's for sure. My money is on him siding with the X-men, 'cause you don't side with your friends over your family.

[ds9]

:lol:
bet your ass!!


this is fun stuff.You also said HoM issue 6 had a brutal battle scene. :mistrust: :lol:

[ds9]

hmm....secret war = identity crisis (mindwipes and betrayal)
Planet Hulk = Omac (sattellite gaining sentience and whatnot, and even more OMAC proof comes out in next week's issue, if you don't belive me)

House of M = infinite crisis/one year (or in marvel's case, a few days) later.

:lol:IC was written first wasnt it?

[greg donovan]

in one of his books Phillip K. Dick wrote that a civil war was perhaps the most noble, and simultaneously tragic, of all types of wars.

why?

because it is fought over something both sides stand behind 100%. they believe in their cause so strongly they are willing to fight their own "brothers."

[ds9]

Those action sequences... damn.Millar always did Great action sequences.

[ds9]

ron, you are one of my favorite posters. of all time. i love your honesty and by no means need or want anything but your honesty. you speak your mind.

and thanks.So do i.

[Cth]

hmm....secret war = identity crisis (mindwipes and betrayal)
Planet Hulk = Omac (sattellite gaining sentience and whatnot, and even more OMAC proof comes out in next week's issue, if you don't belive me)

House of M = infinite crisis/one year (or in marvel's case, a few days) later.

:lol:

I realize you're making a joke for the most part, but..

Planet Hulk =/= Omac

1) OMAC was about a superhero using the satellite to keep track of the superhuman populace and losing control of it and having it turned against him, right? So far, we haven't seen this being the case with the SHIELD thing Hulk is up against (some have speculated it looks like an old bad guy from the X-Men).

2) This isn't Planet Hulk, it leads up to it, but we're not at Planet Hulk yet :)

3) Feel free to spoil me with more details :D

[V-Man]

I can't wait for Mcniven to go nuts on a kick ass script again, like New Avengers, only on a bigger scale. I'm fuckin excited about this one man!

[BWC Boston]

So do i.
Yeah, but we like Ron.

[joeAR]

I can't wait for Mcniven to go nuts on a kick ass script again, like New Avengers, only on a bigger scale. I'm fuckin excited about this one man!


As am I.

[Gavin]

Having fully given myself over to Infinite Crisis I don't think I'll be able to afford another big event for a while, so I think I'll pass.

[NickT]

The universe being split with people choosing sides?




Gee, where do I feel like I've heard that before?
*COUGH*ONE YEAR LATER*COUGH*
I'm just going to have to quote what I said at Newsarama :) :



Opening leading to minis leading to finale was done by Age of Apocalypse.
A jump in time was done by Marvel years ago.
Superheroes in conflict? Secret Wars? Or maybe any comic ever that had heroes fighting.
A low continuity line featuring DC's icons? Ultimate
DC Essentials?
Annuals making a return at DC after Marvel brought them back?
Johns and Heinberg "dissasembling" the JLA?
Scandals costume in Villains United? Almost identical to the Scorpion costume we saw before that.



So, am I going to start crying that DC steals from Marvel? No, of course not, that would be stupid. Firstly, I understand why a company may, shock horror, use systems that work! If annuals are shown to work in this day, why wouldn't DC do the same? If a company starts making TVs, do you accuse them of stealing ideas? Secondly, I realise that the superhero genre has very very few original ideas. EVERYTHING has been done before. One company doing a story about superhero division when another is too isn't stealing ideas, it is using an idea that has been around from the start. What next, shouting "They stole their ideas! That hero hit a villain!"? http://www.newsarama.com/ubb/smile.gif

[ds9]

Yeah, but we like Ron.But you LOVE me

[joeAR]

I'm just going to have to quote what I said at Newsarama :) :


I think I love you

[mayhemspider]

Originally Posted by Shwicaz
hmm....secret war = identity crisis (mindwipes and betrayal)
Planet Hulk = Omac (sattellite gaining sentience and whatnot, and even more OMAC proof comes out in next week's issue, if you don't belive me)

House of M = infinite crisis/one year (or in marvel's case, a few days) later.


don't forget:

Anihalation= Seven Soldiers

[Cth]

don't forget:

Anihalation= Seven Soldiers

Actually, most are saying Rann-Thangarr War.

That lame looking thing about the bird-people versus guys with rings in space mini :)

[artimoff]

after ultimates 9 i can't imagine anyone having anything negative to say about mark's ability to destroy on this.

But I've read his MK Spider-man, Wanted, Authority, Trouble, Ultimate FF. & many other titles of his that suck balls. Just because his Ultimates are the best book around, it doesn't mean that anything else he does will be good.

[Joshzilla]

Oh, shit...no one told Shwicaz...
We (all of humanity) decided to stop using the phrase "off the hook". No one liked it, it really didn't make any sense, and we retired it. :D

Sorry Schwicy...I know you're sick and all...but that was fuckin' hi-larious! It was almost b-a-n-a-n-a-s! See, I did it too.

[Joshzilla]

But I've read his MK Spider-man, Wanted, Authority, Trouble, Ultimate FF. & many other titles of his that suck balls. Just because his Ultimates are the best book around, it doesn't mean that anything else he does will be good.

I'm sorry...did you read those books in English? I mean, if they were in a foreign language, I could see you not liking them...but damn, son! Okay, Trouble wasn't for everybody (like me...hated it), but MK Spidey, Authority, Wanted and Ult. FF just rule! Huge, fun action with great characterization and largely, things happened that hadn't happened before. How is that bad? I mean, everyone's taste is different...but geez. I'm dumbfounded.

[Flonk]

I'm sorry...did you read those books in English? I mean, if they were in a foreign language, I could see you not liking them...but damn, son! Okay, Trouble wasn't for everybody (like me...hated it), but MK Spidey, Authority, Wanted and Ult. FF just rule! Huge, fun action with great characterization and largely, things happened that hadn't happened before. How is that bad? I mean, everyone's taste is different...but geez. I'm dumbfounded.


MK Spider-Man and UFF are pretty run of the mill super hero stories.

But Authority and Wanted were teh awesome.

[Mark Mavro (kryptic6)]

MK Spider-Man and UFF are pretty run of the mill super hero stories.

But Authority and Wanted were teh awesome.

How can you bash the Authority by Millar? I pointed out in an earlier post how blown away I was by a single issue of his run. His Ult. X-Men is IMO the best run that book has seen (Bendis, Vaughn, etc all had good follow ups, but Millar set the tone and had the best stories IMO, Vaughn's later stories have rocked but now he's off when he's seriously hit his stride), Wanted and Chosen were so good, and Ultimate Fantastic Four has been satisfying every step of the way. Ultimates doesn't even need to be mentioned. The only books that I feel he didn't totally destroy on were Trouble (of course), MK Spidey, and Wolvie (too much action from start to finish that the intensity of it was lost part of the way through). The dude's seriously got a second wind and is killing. I can't wait for Civil War.

[Randomus]

I heartily disliked Wanted. But, knowing that he can't be that "extreme for the sake of it" in the Marvel Universe, I'm betting Civil War will be quite satisfying. The man knows action, and no one can deny that.