Ok, it's officially controversial. What the fuck am I gonna do now?

[PhilipClark]

Just got word from the printers that they refuse to print QUANTUM #6 due to its adult content.

This really get's my goat. James and I went to great lengths to tame the scene in question (some of you have scene it) down as tastefullyl as possible. I don't see how this could be viewed as X when you have something like Boogie Nights out there or any Ewan McGregor or Harvey Keitel flick where they're actually showing a penis. There isn't even a penis in this book.

This puts me in a pickle, because ComixPress is still holding printing and I can't afford a run through Brenner.

If I can't get this to go, this will probably mean the end of QUANTUM as a monthly. I'll just collect it in trades and screw them all.

I'm still appealing to them. We'll see how it goes.

Not a happy camper,
Philip

[The Chaos Bringer]

Here's some advice. how about you start writing half-decently that way you can ditch the cheap shock value?

[PhilipClark]

Well, why don't you read the first 5 issues and then speak to me?

[Lab-Rat]

Here's some advice. how about you start writing half-decently that way you can ditch the cheap shock value?


wow. that was completly uncalled for.

[Shwicaz]

ignore the troll, Dream.

I have him on ignore.

Life is so much nicer.

As for your post, that fucking sucks.

YOu say you are appealing.

What does that entail, and how long before a decision is rendered?

[Ray G.]

Here's some advice. how about you start writing half-decently that way you can ditch the cheap shock value?

Who the hell are you?

Man, I'm sorry. Fucking censors. The printers are refusing to print your fucking comic? What the hell business is it of theirs? You're paying them for a goddamn service! :mad:

[RøcketFrøg]

Well, why don't you read the first 5 issues and then speak to me?
It's not nice to make fun of the illiterate.

[Taki Soma]

shitty!

sorry man.... that's all I've got... I'm not a publisher, just a mindless artist so I have no real advice for you.

[The Chaos Bringer]

I'd have to be illiterate to want to read that trash. Good thing he has you guys to sate his justified insecurities.

[PhilipClark]

ignore the troll, Dream.

I have him on ignore.

Life is so much nicer.

As for your post, that fucking sucks.

YOu say you are appealing.

What does that entail, and how long before a decision is rendered?

They're apparently taking it to their management team today. It has been posed that a black "censored" box may go over the part in question. This would be a deal breaker for me.

[McAfee]

I'd have to be illiterate to want to read that trash. Good thing he has you guys to sate his justified insecurities.

What trash? Please tell me about Quantum. I've not read any of it, and I'd like to hear from someone who has.

That'd be a great help!

[The Chaos Bringer]

Actually, I take that back. No matter how bad that book is, it can't be worse than reading an issue of "The Line".

[Shane W]

They're apparently taking it to their management team today. It has been posed that a black "censored" box may go over the part in question. This would be a deal breaker for me.

Don't do it. Wait for what you want to put out, then go back to monthly.

[AAlgar]

Comixpress isn't printing at all now?

[Taki Soma]

Here's some advice. how about you start writing half-decently that way you can ditch the cheap shock value?
this statement is an oxy-moron, no offense.

a cheap shock value comment.

[McAfee]

I'd wait, Dream.

It's your creation. Do it your way.

[Ray G.]

I'd have to be illiterate to want to read that trash. Good thing he has you guys to sate his justified insecurities.

Why are you even here?

[jason hissong]

Wow. That really sucks man.

Hopefully they can realize how dumb they're being.

I feel bad for you . . .

-jason

[The Cheap-Arse Film Critic]

Here's some advice. how about you start writing half-decently that way you can ditch the cheap shock value?

...

...

... Stryfe? Is that you again?

[PhilipClark]

Comixpress isn't printing at all now?

ComixPress is still backed up and holding new orders.

[The Chaos Bringer]

Why are you even here?

Because I get off on being the bad guy. I tried to be a nice guy, I really did.

[Shane W]

Because I get off on being the bad guy. I tried to be a nice guy, I really did.

I like you.

[The Chaos Bringer]

:D

[J.D. Lombardi]

I'd find someone else to put it out. Fuck that. It is your book...who are they to turn down money because they don't agree with what they're printing? They're a PRINTING company for Christ's sake.

Thanks for letting me know that there'll be even more things I've got to look into now when I go to publish my book.

[McAfee]

ComixPress is still backed up and holding new orders.

I'd like to take this moment to say they are full of shit. They haven't accepted new material for 2 months. There's no way they shouldn't be caught up by now.

[Howlett]

...

...

... Stryfe? Is that you again?
What? You mean you were able to see past that ingenious disguise of an avatar and wonderful, upbeat and positive post style of ole' Sweetness Personified himself? :lol:

[Taxman]

What? You mean you were able to see past that ingenious disguise of an avatar and wonderful, upbeat and positive post style of ole' Sweetness Personified himself? :lol:Sometimes, people really disappoint me. :cry:

[James Patrick]

Actually, I take that back. No matter how bad that book is, it can't be worse than reading an issue of "The Line".

Do me!

Do me!

[The Chaos Bringer]

Sometimes, people really disappoint me. :cry:

It's this board, man.

[JABSEN]

It's this board, man.And yet you keep coming back

[The Chaos Bringer]

I keep feeling that I'm the sunshine your life lacks.

[half guard]

Do me!

Do me!

i wouldn't do you with flonk's di...oh, sorry wrong thread. :lol:

[noble]

I think Stryfe is confusing my writing with yours, Phillip.

[Victor Cabanelas]

Well, I don´t usually say this, but if I were you, I´d edit the scene and save the original for the tpb. It´s issue # 6 you´re talking about and (if you kept some sort of periodicity) you have a responsibility to your readers.

If the situation was another, I´d say "fuck the printer, their loss!"

[thecheat1]

I guess my question would be, how much does the scene add to the story? Is it crucial to keep it in there for the sake of the plot, or are you fighting it because you resent the idea of being censored. I've honestly never read your work so, I don't know it's overall tone.

Though, it makes me wonder how books like Battle Pope, Tarot, and various indie titles can get away with nudity and sex but, your book gets pulled? Censoring always seems to get a little hypocritical.

[James Patrick]

Just got word from the printers that they refuse to print QUANTUM #6 due to its adult content.

This really get's my goat. James and I went to great lengths to tame the scene in question (some of you have scene it) down as tastefullyl as possible. I don't see how this could be viewed as X when you have something like Boogie Nights out there or any Ewan McGregor or Harvey Keitel flick where they're actually showing a penis. There isn't even a penis in this book.

This puts me in a pickle, because ComixPress is still holding printing and I can't afford a run through Brenner.

If I can't get this to go, this will probably mean the end of QUANTUM as a monthly. I'll just collect it in trades and screw them all.

I'm still appealing to them. We'll see how it goes.

Not a happy camper,
Philip

Do you solicit throught diamond? How important is being a monthly if that's not the case? So it will be two months between issues? hell, that's better than most image books.

[ds9]

Christopher Priest
Millar
Geoff Johns
Gail Simone
JMS
Andy Diggle
Bendis
Winnick
Greg Rucka
Dan Slott

[Genius J]

Phillip, send me a PM. I may have a lead on a solution for you.

[deadboy]

I keep feeling that I'm the sunshine your life lacks.

Oh great. We have a guy that's been on the board one day with in excess of 60 posts. I give him about 2 days to get noticed by the mods. 3 days till he gets banned, unless of course he grows up and stops being a cock.

[PhilipClark]

Ok, here's an update from the guy brokering my printing deal:

Well, I have discussed this with the printer, after they had a meeting of
management that included a conference call to their lawyers. The problem stems from
not wanting to get sued for sexual harassment if an employee that works on the
printing, or one that packages it, is offended by the scene as-is, because it does
show a sex toy in-use. I'm counting 7 spots where the Dildo flops about here, and am
confirming what they want specifically. But they say that they will print the book if
we put a Star or other covering image over the Dildo where it shows. Sort of how sex
ads in magazines have to have a star on a pussy, etc. If this were a smaller shop,
we'd probably get away with more. But this is the offer of the printer after much
consideration...I don't know if it compromises the book completely (Or, if it allows
you to print an "uncensored" NC-17 rated version later, if that's actually a good
thing) They aren't asking for the butts or boobs to be covered, just the dildo.

So now the only thing they're concerned about is the strap-on my character's wearing? Forget the fact that her breasts are bare. The dildo is the issue.

I just can't get my head around this. What do you guys think? Should I just suck it up and put the "stars" us as recommended? Or do I just hold out for ComixPress or when I collect the rest of the arc in TPB?

This has ruined my day,
PC

[Genius J]

I think you should PM me like I said.

[PhilipClark]

Sorry, just got your message, J. Just PMed you.

[MattKrizan]

The problem stems from
not wanting to get sued for sexual harassment if an employee that works on the printing, or one that packages it, is offended by the scene as-is, because it does show a sex toy in-use.

Okay, that's just absurd.

[Miguel]

Okay, that's just absurd.

No, it's completely rational. He can be in cahoots with one of these employees hundreds of miles away who had him devise the comic just so this offensive panel would emerge on the exact time and date that the person targeted for harrassment will be working. I mean, it's pretty obvious, i thought.

Miguel

[MattKrizan]

No, it's completely rational. He can be in cahoots with one of these employees hundreds of miles away who had him devise the comic just so this offensive panel would emerge on the exact time and date that the person targeted for harrassment will be working. I mean, it's pretty obvious, i thought.

Miguel

You got me there. Shit, they should probably just sue him as a preemptive strike. Third-party sexual harassment.

[deadboy]

I don't understand how it's JUST the dildo that could sexually harass someone. Is it a lippy dildo? Does it make off color remarks?

Seriously, that is so much ass backwards corp. thinking that I can't even take it. Gail Simone should shoot your dildo in the head!