View Full Version : What's up with these war games?

Persevering Guy
08-18-2005, 06:19 AM
Yesterday, I read in the news that the U.S. is upset that China and Russia are playing war games:

Russia, China launch first major wargames amid US concern.

VLADIVOSTOK, Russia, (AFP) - Russia and China launched their first-ever joint wargames in a show of military might they insisted was not aimed at any other country after the United States expressed concern.
Washington, which has indicated unease over the pace of China's military build-up, is not attending as an observer but said it is closely monitoring the drills, warning they should not undermine regional stability.

The week-long exercises involving 10,000 troops, naval ships, bombers and fighter planes began in the Russian city of Vladivostok and will later move to the Yellow Sea and the area off the Jiaodong peninsula in eastern China.

Chinese defence officials said they would focus on the ability of Russian and Chinese forces to fight separatism and terrorism, while strengthening mutual trust between two of the world's major powers.

"The exercise will be carried out in the framework of the fight against international terrorism and extremism, to respond to new threats and challenges," said Liang Guanglie, chief-of-staff of China's armed forces.

China faces challenges from separatists in its Muslim-populated Xinjiang region in the northwest, and Russia from Muslim separatists in Chechnya.

"This first joint military exercise in (our) history ... does not threaten the interests of other countries," Russian chief-of-staff Yury Baluyevsky said.

Under the scenario of the exercises, a fictive state torn by massive ethnic unrest has asked the United Nations and neighbouring countries to assist in restoring order, Russian officials said.

Chinese and Russian troops under UN mandate are sent to separate the combatants and quell the unrest.

Defence ministers from countries in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which groups several Central Asian countries besides China and Russia, have been invited to watch, China's Xinhua news agency said.

Leading military officials from Iran, India and Pakistan are also on hand, the state-run agency quoted Russian diplomats as saying.

The drills, known as "Peace Mission 2005," started with political and military consultations between Russian and Chinese military delegations, headed by each country's chief-of-staff, a Russian Pacific fleet spokesman told AFP.

Xinhua said battle planning, transportation and deployment of troops and combat practice would be the thrust of the mission.

Earlier Chinese reports said they will involve Russian paratroppers jumping onto the Chinese peninsula, while Russian ships will engage in amphibious landing exercises.

Air force exercises involving Sukhoi Su-27 fighter planes and Tupolev TU 95MSs and TU 22M-3s will round out the drills, with long-distance bombing runs and cruise missile attacks, reports said.

The exercises could also involve China's nuclear submarine fleet and anti-submarine warfare capability.

The United States, increasingly concerned about the impact of China's military build-up on the regional status quo, is closely watching what goes on.

"We are following the exercises," US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said this week. "We expect that they will be conducted in a manner that supports some mutual goal of regional stability shared by the United States, China and Russia."

He said both Beijing and Moscow had advised Washington about the manoeuvres and added that the United States would not have any observers on hand.

"But we would hope that anything that they do is not something that would be disruptive to the current atmosphere in the region," said McCormack.

In Vladivostok, military officials from both sides said the show of force should not be seen as a threat.

"The first China-Russia joint military exercises are neither aimed at any third country nor concern the interests of any third country, and will pose no threat to any country," said China's chief-of-staff Liang.

But today, I see the U.S. and South Korea are playing them, too:

US, South Korea to go ahead with war games despite Pyongyang anger.

SEOUL, (AFP) - The United States and South Korea said joint war games would go ahead next week despite North Korean claims that the drills were preparations for a preemptive strike on the communist state.
The military exercise which features computer-simulated war scenarios will take place in South Korea from August 22 to September 2, the US-South Korea Combined Forces Command said in a statement.

"It is designed to evaluate and improve combined and joint coordination, procedures, plans and systems for conducting operations critical to the defense of the peninsula," the statement said.

It gave no details about the annual drill but previous editions have involved joint mobilisation of an unspecified number of South Korean troops and more than 10,000 US troops.

The United States informed North Korea of the exercise last week, prompting Pyongyang to denounce them as "preparations for preemptive attack" on the communist state.

The war games were also aimed at forcing North Korea "to accept the unjust demands raised by the US at the six-party talks," North Korea's military spokesman said in a statement on Saturday.

Six-country talks on ending North Korea's nuclear weapons programmes went into a three-week recess on August 7 in a deadlock over Pyongyang's insistence on the right to peaceful nuclear activities.

The United States flatly rejected the North Korean demand, citing the Stalinist regime's track record of secretly developing nuclear weapons.

The talks are to resume in the week of August 29.

Rodong Sinmun, the North's ruling communist party newspaper which acts as Pyongyang's official mouthpiece, renewed its call for ending the US military presence in South Korea.

"Neither peace and reunification of Korea nor peace and security in Northeast Asia and the rest of the world are thinkable as long as the US troops stay in South Korea," Rodong said in a commentary monitored here.

About 32,500 US soldiers are stationed here to help 650,000 South Korean military troops face up to North Korea's 1.2-million-strong army.

The United States has maintained its military presence in South Korea according to a mutual defense treaty since the 1950-1953 Korean War.

08-18-2005, 06:21 AM
if russia were playing them with an ally or with us i don't think it would be a big deal.

russia and china war gaming together....not good.

08-18-2005, 06:27 AM
The Russians suck. Their equipment always breaks.


08-18-2005, 06:28 AM
The Russians suck. Their equipment always breaks.


Ha! I Hope More People Laugh At That.


08-18-2005, 06:35 AM
would ...you like...to play a game?