Yay!!!!

[Shane W]

:) What a glorious night of baseball.

[DeleriumTremens]

Great game. Extra ininnings and the Cubs lose. Now thats great.

[anthony the ghost]

not a fan.

[Shane W]

not a fan.

Of baseball? Yeah, I know you watch that AL crap..

[Shane W]

Great game. Extra ininnings and the Cubs lose. Now thats great.

It's too bad I had to spend the night in Bonne Terre.. Ugh.

[anthony the ghost]

Of baseball? Yeah, I know you watch that AL crap..

yea, the nl is spectacular :roll:

[jason hissong]

yea, the nl is spectacular :roll:



It was a very good game. It's a shame that Carpenter couldn't have gotten the win. Zambrano pitched better tonight, but man, what a well-played game by both teams.

And I called my boys in the Windy City afterwords and Ben said, "Dude. Don't talk to me for eight to ten hours." I told him I didn't call to gloat. The result of the game is enough. "Yeah," he says, "But I would have gloated."

Anyway. . . . great game. And I'm excited that tomorrow and Sunday I'll see those games as well.

-j

[sonnylarue]

:surrend: fine...

go white sox

[PeterSparker]

:) What a glorious night of baseball.

speak for yourself! :x

[En Sabah Poo]

Of baseball? Yeah, I know you watch that AL crap..

Yeah. Say that to your 8th All Star loss in a row. Also say that to all your .400 teams.

[Shane W]

Yeah. Say that to your 8th All Star loss in a row. Also say that to all your .400 teams.

You say that like I care about All Star Games.

The AL is just 2 losses away from having the same amount of .400 teams, what's your point?

[En Sabah Poo]

You say that like I care about All Star Games.

The AL is just 2 losses away from having the same amount of .400 teams, what's your point?

Not really actually. We're one loss away from having one more .400 team. That would give us 5. The NL already has 7. The National League blows. Everyone knows it. You post some good numbers from time to time, but even your .600 teams get swept in the Series. Plus the American League whooped NL ass in interleague play.

[Shane W]

Not really actually. We're one loss away from having one more .400 team. That would give us 5. The NL already has 7. The National League blows. Everyone knows it. You post some good numbers from time to time, but even your .600 teams get swept in the Series. Plus the American League whooped NL ass in interleague play.

Either way, you fail to mention what the amount of .400 teams have to do with anything. Interleage play means nothing, and let's not get into why it's a sham to have wild card teams to begin with. You seem to think that win loss means "better", when I'm talking about the complete style of the game.

AL baseball is the lowest common demoniator baseball, there's no thinking or strategy involved. It's a boring brand of baseball to watch. Any monkey can manage in the AL, look at Joe Torre. He could barely manage his way out of a paper bag in the NL, but take any decision out of his way and he won all sorts of rings in the AL..

[Smokinblues]

Either way, you fail to mention what the amount of .400 teams have to do with anything. Interleage play means nothing, and let's not get into why it's a sham to have wild card teams to begin with. You seem to think that win loss means "better", when I'm talking about the complete style of the game.

AL baseball is the lowest common demoniator baseball, there's no thinking or strategy involved. It's a boring brand of baseball to watch. Any monkey can manage in the AL, look at Joe Torre. He could barely manage his way out of a paper bag in the NL, but take any decision out of his way and he won all sorts of rings in the AL..

agreed. I'd rather watch two bad NL teams than two bad AL teams.

[icemanx62]

AL sucks! There's so much more strategy involved with the NL.

[jason hissong]

Also, granted it's baseball, so clocks don't matter.

But DAMN do some of those AL 11 home run games take a long time.


Man . . . .

-j

[PeterSparker]

Any monkey can manage in the AL, look at Joe Torre. He could barely manage his way out of a paper bag in the NL, but take any decision out of his way and he won all sorts of rings in the AL..

Lamest comment I've read in a while. (any decision huh? guess you didn't notice how many of those WS games Torre won were played in NL parks :roll: In 96 for example, the Yankees lost the first two at home, then went to Atlanta and won three straight without the DH ) But lets use your logic then, Tony LaRussa won the World Series with an A.L. team, but got his ass embarassingly swept in the WS with an N.L. team, so what happened?

[Shane W]

Lamest comment I've read in a while. (any decision huh? guess you didn't notice how many of those WS games Torre won were played in NL parks :roll: In 96 for example, the Yankees lost the first two at home, then went to Atlanta and won three straight without the DH ) But lets use your logic then, Tony LaRussa won the World Series with an A.L. team, but got his ass embarassingly swept in the WS with an N.L. team, so what happened?

Winning the WS has long since been made pointless (Wild Card) Any team can catch fire as proven by your Yankees getting swept by the same team. Of course the Cards didn't choke away a 3-0 lead. Do you really thing that the Sox were better than either the Yanks or Cards last year? The regular season suggests that the Sox (nor Astros) should even have been within sniffing distance of the WS much less winning the trophy, but the Wild Card has pretty much guaranteed that unworthy teams will win. Might as well shorten the regular season and add another round at this point.

[Shane W]

Lamest comment I've read in a while. (any decision huh? guess you didn't notice how many of those WS games Torre won were played in NL parks :roll: In 96 for example, the Yankees lost the first two at home, then went to Atlanta and won three straight without the DH ) But lets use your logic then, Tony LaRussa won the World Series with an A.L. team, but got his ass embarassingly swept in the WS with an N.L. team, so what happened?

ANd yess, what decision has to be made in the AL? It's pretty damned simple, write out the line-up card and watch your starter's pitch-count if he's doing well. End of story. A 7 game stretch in the WS is not flexing your managerial muscle.

Either make both leages have the DH or abolish it completely, this different rules for each league BS is for the birds.

[PeterSparker]

Well you're switching your arguments all over the place now. The Yankees lost four in a row to the Sox yes, but at least they won three games against them also. But thats apples to apples anyway, they are both A.L. teams, your point was that Torre isn't a good manager becuase he didn't win the WS before getting to NY (even though he did win a division title with the Braves before the wild card era, so he must of had some idea of how to manage in the NL) And like I said, Torre has gone head to head with teams in the NL by the same rules the other side has and not only beat them, but outmanaged them. He totaly outmanaged Bobby Cox, and Bobby Valentine in their match ups in NL parks. (in 98 they were gonna beat anyone under any set of rules, so I won't even bring that one up)

Is there more strategy involved in the NL, yes of course, but that doesn't translate to Torre being a no talent manager becuase he didn't win a WS before he got to NY. Just like it wouldn't make any sense to make the reverse argument about LaRussa.

[Shane W]

Well you're switching your arguments all over the place now. The Yankees lost four in a row to the Sox yes, but at least they won three games against them also. But thats apples to apples anyway, they are both A.L. teams, your point was that Torre isn't a good manager becuase he didn't win the WS before getting to NY (even though he did win a division title with the Braves before the wild card era, so he must of had some idea of how to manage in the NL) And like I said, Torre has gone head to head with teams in the NL by the same rules the other side has and not only beat them, but outmanaged them. He totaly outmanaged Bobby Cox, and Bobby Valentine in their match ups in NL parks. (in 98 they were gonna beat anyone under any set of rules, so I won't even bring that one up)

Is there more strategy involved in the NL, yes of course, but that doesn't translate to Torre being a no talent manager becuase he didn't win a WS before he got to NY. Just like it wouldn't make any sense to make the reverse argument about LaRussa.

No my point is that Torre was an average to poor manager, in the AL he has enough to cover his ineptness and can still win. only having to do 10 games (now with interleague) or so is not really exposing your manager. Torre has been fortunate enough to inherit a great run from a team, nothing more.

And I'm sure that you're real happy about "at least winning three games" against a team you already prooved you were better than in regular season.

And for the record, I can't stand LaRussa, his ineptness really shows in the post-season.

[anthony the ghost]

isnt it ineptitude?

[Shane W]

isnt it ineptitude?

Only the Sox fan knows for sure. :lol:

[anthony the ghost]

Only the Sox fan knows for sure. :lol:

that was actually funny. almost as funny as getting swept in the world series so bad that you never once led..

[Shane W]

that was actually funny. almost as funny as getting swept in the world series so bad that you never once led..

Yeah, that sucked. How many rings do you guys need to borrow again?

[anthony the ghost]

Yeah, that sucked. How many rings do you guys need to borrow again?

i dont want your ring, its all dusty.

[En Sabah Poo]

i dont want your ring, its all dusty.

No shit.

This whole the AL suck argument because of the HUGE GRAND STRATEGY of just having the pitcher bat? That's pretty weak sauce. Granted the pitcher batting is cool, but if that's all you have to base your arguments on, gimme a break. There isn't a whole lot of strategy to that anyway. Early in the game, pitcher doing well, he bats. Late in the game or pitcher not doing well and you need a hit, pinch hit. Ooo, tough decision.

The AL is hands down better. The American League has far more better players and we whoop your asses whenever we meet. AL games are just more fun to watch. We have the best stadiums, the most memories, so just suck it down.

[anthony the ghost]

No shit.

This whole the AL suck argument because of the HUGE GRAND STRATEGY of just having the pitcher bat? That's pretty weak sauce. Granted the pitcher batting is cool, but if that's all you have to base your arguments on, gimme a break. There isn't a whole lot of strategy to that anyway. Early in the game, pitcher doing well, he bats. Late in the game or pitcher not doing well and you need a hit, pinch hit. Ooo, tough decision.

The AL is hands down better. The American League has far more better players and we whoop your asses whenever we meet. AL games are just more fun to watch. We have the best stadiums, the most memories, so just suck it down.

agree completely. watching the nl is like watching the late innings of an al game that one team has blown the other out :D

[En Sabah Poo]

As for the whole Wildcard thing ruining the playoffs, to get rid of it, you'd have to go back to two divisions, but then you'd have to get rid of a bunch of teams. And we all know how bad that'll end up.

[Shane W]

No shit.

This whole the AL suck argument because of the HUGE GRAND STRATEGY of just having the pitcher bat? That's pretty weak sauce. Granted the pitcher batting is cool, but if that's all you have to base your arguments on, gimme a break. There isn't a whole lot of strategy to that anyway. Early in the game, pitcher doing well, he bats. Late in the game or pitcher not doing well and you need a hit, pinch hit. Ooo, tough decision.

The AL is hands down better. The American League has far more better players and we whoop your asses whenever we meet. AL games are just more fun to watch. We have the best stadiums, the most memories, so just suck it down.

Your explanation of the pitcher batting shows exactly how little you know about it, look into it and then get back to me.

You keep using head to head to try and explain yourself. Pay attention, That's not what we're talking about.

[Shane W]

As for the whole Wildcard thing ruining the playoffs, to get rid of it, you'd have to go back to two divisions, but then you'd have to get rid of a bunch of teams. And we all know how bad that'll end up.

Or you can go to four divisions, it's not the amount of teams, it's two teams that are undeserving that makes it a sham. Perhaps you could drop the WC teams and give the team with the best overall record a bye into the LCS, that seems better than having a second place team being "world champs"

[PeterSparker]

No my point is that Torre was an average to poor manager, in the AL he has enough to cover his ineptness and can still win. only having to do 10 games (now with interleague) or so is not really exposing your manager. Torre has been fortunate enough to inherit a great run from a team , nothing more.

And I'm sure that you're real happy about "at least winning three games" against a team you already prooved you were better than in regular season.

And for the record, I can't stand LaRussa, his ineptness really shows in the post-season.

Well, the playoffs isn't about who's the best team, its about who's the best team for 5 or 7 games. I can't say we were a better team than Boston becuase they beat us, then swept the WS. Thats a pretty good team period, no matter how much it hurt to lose to them after being up 3-0.

And its not that big of a deal to me what you think of Torre really, but you're wrong to say he was fortunate to "inherit a great run from a team, nothing more", it just underscores your total lack of understanding about the situation, "nothing more". The Yankee's hadn't won the WS since 1977 before Torre, and NOBODY! picked them to win in 1996. Also they were down 2 games to zero in the 96WS heading to Atlanta's park for the next three. He made his team believe they could get back into it, every player from that team points to him as getting them to that point in their first attempt to win it all. Torre got rid of Mike Stanley (a very popular Yankee) and brought in Girardi to catch and handle the staff. (being a former catcher, he put a premium on someone who could handle the staff). He made Jeter the starting shortstop (which, believe me was not a universally accepted move that early in Jeter's career, many thought he needed another year in the minors - he won Rookie of the Year). He got rid of Ruben Sierra the first time around because he didn't buy into Torre's team first philosophy. You, like many, just assume some great chamionship team was assembled for him, and he just had to walk out to the ump everyday and hand in the line-up card. But it is no fucking coincidence they started winning the way they did from his first year on (just like its no coincidence Showalter hasn't been able to close the deal with the teams he's put together) Torre, brought an NL approach to their play. Hit and run, taking bases, small ball. No one on any of the championship teams hit over 30 home runs in any of those seasons, they palyed the best "team" baseball of anyone else in the majors, and thats why they won. And it didn't happen by accident, it was his stamp on the way they played, no question. Again, you have a problem with Torre probably becuase of his St Louis days or something. Whatever, I don't care what it is. But you are just simply wrong, I have seen him out-manage other managers many, many times in the last 10 years, head to head. So that stands in total contrast to your incorrect critique.

[En Sabah Poo]

Your explanation of the pitcher batting shows exactly how little you know about it, look into it and then get back to me.

You keep using head to head to try and explain yourself. Pay attention, That's not what we're talking about.

Explain to me then, grand wizard of baseball, exactly how having a DH has completely changed baseball and its spirit and why then the AL continues to use it. I do believe if the St. Louis Cardinals were an American League team, or if you lived closer to Kansas City (assuming you wouldn't be a fair weather fan), we wouldn't even be discussing this.

People arguing that double switchs and pinch hitting don't happen in the American League; crock.

People saying it takes away from the majesty of records and just pumps up player stats and box scores, allowing useless fielders to continue batting for their career numbers. Whatever. Get rid of the records for all the NL 'roid boys first, then we can talk.

[En Sabah Poo]

Or you can go to four divisions, it's not the amount of teams, it's two teams that are undeserving that makes it a sham. Perhaps you could drop the WC teams and give the team with the best overall record a bye into the LCS, that seems better than having a second place team being "world champs"
So then we'd have what, three maybe four teams in a division? That would make for even WORSE teams getting into the playoffs, where you'd have horrible divisions filled with three crappy teams. Either that or you'd have one good team beating the hell out of two little teams every year. Wow, fun baseball. Why dont' we just change the whole league to the NL central. At least with the wildcard, you can get a .650 team that was simply ousted in their division by a .700 team. Your argument makes much less sense.