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brettc1
09-21-2011, 04:25 AM
I read Batgirl last week and was very impressed with this piece of writing from Gail...

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo37/brettc1_photos/batgirl.jpg


Great scene - totally believable and, amid all the super-heroics, quintessentially human.

And apparently I'm not the only person who thinks so. Check out this clip from the first season 4 episode of the the awesomely amazing CASTLE. For those of yourselves denying yourself the enjoyment of watching this show, last seasons cliffhanger saw Detective Kate Beckett shot, almost fatally...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rA3pS1YO1A


So similar its freaky - but just another affirmation for me of the quality writing in both these stories.

Maybe someone should look at Stana Katic to play Babs on the big screen 8-)

Corrina
09-21-2011, 04:53 AM
You ask me, Castle needs to hire Gail and some other comic writers to spice up their dialogue and plots. The moment you're talking about was one of the best in a series premier that mostly dropped the ball on a lot of stuff. :)

brettc1
09-21-2011, 05:10 AM
:shock: Blasphemy!!! LOL

Not that I dont think Gail could write a Castle ep - I think she definitely could [and SHOULD] but I thought the season premier was brilliant. A little stilted with the transition from the end of the season 3 cliffhanger to the present, but still pretty great! :D

Re: the last 60 seconds ... I KNEW IT!!!! :ecstatic:

Major Comma
09-21-2011, 07:02 AM
Yeah. I thought of Babs when I saw that scene too.
Nice paralell.

Corrina
09-21-2011, 08:42 AM
:shock: Blasphemy!!! LOL

Not that I dont think Gail could write a Castle ep - I think she definitely could [and SHOULD] but I thought the season premier was brilliant. A little stilted with the transition from the end of the season 3 cliffhanger to the present, but still pretty great! :D

Re: the last 60 seconds ... I KNEW IT!!!! :ecstatic:

Brilliant, no. Stupid narrative trick w/Beckett not remembering, then the whole conspiracy makes no sense when you think about it, the murder of the week was dumb & badly solved. About the only good scene was Beckett looking lost about 3/4 of the way through.

This is not the way to write romance.

ConnorHawke
09-21-2011, 08:51 AM
That's a really common scenario though. The hero freezes up recalling a traumatic event from the past. You see it all the time.

brettc1
09-21-2011, 02:55 PM
Spoilers


Corrina - you did see that she actually does remember, right? I mean I saw that coming 6 months ago, but of course its more interesting that its not actually true.

I was troubled by how quickly they got rid of Josh, and off camera. It seemed a bit convenient and rather usatisfying. But I WAS impressed to see CASTLE actually grow a pair and get mad at Beckett, especially after he manned up in her apartment at the end of the last season. That really was a good scene, IMO, because you could see the characters underlying frustration with what was going on bubbling to the surface. Both of them wants the other person to be the one to make the first admission, but then later when he does she cant handle it.

The Xenos
09-22-2011, 11:59 AM
I kinda rolled my eyes watching that.

I was like, she totally pulled a Batgirl #1.

Hmm.. I should think of a better name for that..

Infra-Man
09-22-2011, 12:51 PM
Not gonna lie: when I saw the thread title, I thought it meant there was a reference to the work of the playwright/author Samuel Beckett in the new Batgirl.

But that's because I'm pretentious. :)

/All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

Gail Simone
09-22-2011, 02:24 PM
Hmm.

You know, it's weird, I'm not sure I got the same exact impression. The one I got was that the guy had the drop on her and if she lifted her gun, he'd shoot. Batgirl's situation was a little different.

But I might be seeing it wrong.

brettc1
09-22-2011, 03:27 PM
Hmm.

You know, it's weird, I'm not sure I got the same exact impression. The one I got was that the guy had the drop on her and if she lifted her gun, he'd shoot. Batgirl's situation was a little different.

But I might be seeing it wrong.

The circumstances are not precisely the same, but the way Beckett reacts immediately made me think of Batgirl.

Also, if you watch he looks away from her for a way to escape. At that point she has a clear chance to raise her piece and put herself in much stronger position, but she remains frozen. Its established earlier in the ep that she is a crack shot, but confronted with the gun she cant act.

There is of course another scene later in the ep where the problem is dealt with further. I'll be interested to see how Babs deals with her own crisis. But of course there is no chance either story is copying the other - they were both penned months in advance. It was just the parallel that I found interesting :)