Explain to me the appeal of Cloak & Dagger [Archive]

SidekicksRevenge

08-08-2011, 11:07 AM

Kedd

08-08-2011, 11:12 AM

I find your lack of love for Ty and Tandy disturbing. :mad:

SidekicksRevenge

08-08-2011, 11:14 AM

I find your lack of love for Ty and Tandy disturbing. :mad:

But...but...why?

capntightpants

08-08-2011, 11:16 AM

But...but...why?

It's quite simple:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mXKm4EkAuo

Kedd

08-08-2011, 11:18 AM

Serious answer: I love ty and Tandy because of their potential. I hate the way they're handled most of the time, but I always feel like they have so much story potential in just about any genre. And even though they're 30 years old or so, I still feel like they are largely undeveloped and exist largely as blank slates.

Phantom Eagle

08-08-2011, 11:19 AM

I've never read any Cloak & Dagger, so I always assumed they were Marvel's answer to Hawk & Dove, which I'm sure is probably wrong.

Stark Raving

08-08-2011, 11:20 AM

Bewbs.

Phantom Eagle

08-08-2011, 11:25 AM

Bewbs.

8)

TRILL, THE CARBON BASED LIFEFORM

08-08-2011, 11:49 AM

I've read more than once that everyone comes to Marvel with a Cloak & Dagger pitch and/or a Dr. Strange pitch. I get the Dr. Strange thing, it's a corner of Marvel that doesn't get a ton of love and you can really go nuts with it, potentially. But Cloak & Dagger?

They have a pretty strong (internet) following, and people seem generally and genuinely excited when they pop up and I honestly don't get why. I've never found them that engaging in anything I've seen them in and don't see much in the way of inherent story potential.

Is it because they're a duo where neither is a white dude? Is it because they make for a pretty striking visual? Is it just that it's been so long that they had their own sandbox that everyone remembers them being more awesome than they are? Is there something else I'm missing? I honestly want to know where the love for these two comes from. I don't dislike them, I just don't love them either.

It seems like you're asking for something that's hard to get at. Either you see the appeal or you don't. You can try to quantify taste and preferences when speaking of something that doesn't float your boat, but to what end? I'm not coming after you, but I usually wonder this particular thing when I see someone asking for an explanation of why a phenomenon (doo doo doo doo doo) they're left out of is popular.

Gregory

08-08-2011, 11:53 AM

Marvel accidentally created the perfect Teen Titans members.

Wait until the next generation Bendis makes them the core of 3 Avengers teams.

costello

08-08-2011, 12:04 PM

When I was a kid I liked the look of them, like the covers of books, posters, and that sort of stuff, but to read one of their books was no fun at all. I sort of liked them in Maximum Carnage and I think they were best in Runaways.

schizorabbit

08-08-2011, 12:07 PM

Did Cloak and Dagger ever, you know, do it?

Adrian B AWESOME

08-08-2011, 12:09 PM

They loooooove drugs!

Spidey616

08-08-2011, 12:23 PM

Guess they got enough appeal to get their own TV show! :)

schizorabbit

08-08-2011, 12:31 PM

Guess they got enough appeal to get their own TV show! :)

And movie, although the black dude and blonde chick really didn't translate too well onto the big screen...

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk200/schizorabbit/cloak_and_dagger.jpg

:)

Spidey616

08-08-2011, 12:39 PM

Hey! It's the voice of Principal Prickley from Recess! :)

And movie, although the black dude and blonde chick really didn't translate too well onto the big screen...

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk200/schizorabbit/cloak_and_dagger.jpg

:)

Treacle

08-08-2011, 12:41 PM

It seems like you're asking for something that's hard to get at. Either you see the appeal or you don't. You can try to quantify taste and preferences when speaking of something that doesn't float your boat, but to what end? I'm not coming after you, but I usually wonder this particular thing when I see someone asking for an explanation of why a phenomenon (doo doo doo doo doo) they're left out of is popular.

This.

It's about like asking someone to explain the appeal of pickles or to explain the appeal of golf or to explain the appeal of anything else someone likes that you don't.

Kedd

08-08-2011, 12:57 PM

Did Cloak and Dagger ever, you know, do it?
In my fanfic they do it all the time.

dougmac

08-08-2011, 01:00 PM

And movie, although the black dude and blonde chick really didn't translate too well onto the big screen...

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk200/schizorabbit/cloak_and_dagger.jpg

:)

cant believe it took 15 posts

Keith P.

08-08-2011, 01:04 PM

In my fanfic they do it all the time.

So you're the guy who buys all that "Little Blonde chicks take on Big Black Dicks" porn!

Kedd

08-08-2011, 01:12 PM

So you're the guy who buys all that "Little Blonde chicks take on Big Black Dicks" porn!
Somebody's gotta do it.

SidekicksRevenge

08-08-2011, 01:19 PM

It seems like you're asking for something that's hard to get at. Either you see the appeal or you don't. You can try to quantify taste and preferences when speaking of something that doesn't float your boat, but to what end? I'm not coming after you, but I usually wonder this particular thing when I see someone asking for an explanation of why a phenomenon (doo doo doo doo doo) they're left out of is popular.

Probably. But it's a comic message board, they have a Spider-Island tie-in by a writer I like, and I was hoping to be sold on them as characters.

dougmac

08-08-2011, 01:23 PM

Probably. But it's a comic message board, they have a Spider-Island tie-in by a writer I like, and I was hoping to be sold on them as characters.

I don't get why you have to defend the question. Sometimes if I dont like something that a lot of others do, I like to get their perspective on it to see if it is something I am missing or just not getting for some odd reason or I am just not looking at it in the intended way.

As far as Cloak and Dagger go, I think the appeal is cool powers, a cool look, and untapped potential. There are not a lot of characters that have been around as long as they have without a great definitive story. There isn't a huge history to contradict and I think people are always hopeful that someone is going to do something truly epic with them.

PhilipClark

08-08-2011, 01:28 PM

If Rick Leonardi isn't drawing it, there is no appeal.

Rian Fike

08-08-2011, 01:34 PM

Get your own swirl on and you will understand.

capntightpants

08-08-2011, 01:34 PM

Get your own swirl on and you will understand.

What does that mean?

Kedd

08-08-2011, 01:38 PM

If Rick Leonardi isn't drawing it, there is no appeal.
I want a Chris Bachalo drawn Ty and Tandy mini-series.

Brad N.

08-08-2011, 01:38 PM

Um, Dabney Coleman? Nuff said.

c. page

08-08-2011, 02:56 PM

I don't get why you have to defend the question. Sometimes if I dont like something that a lot of others do, I like to get their perspective on it to see if it is something I am missing or just not getting for some odd reason or I am just not looking at it in the intended way.

As far as Cloak and Dagger go, I think the appeal is cool powers, a cool look, and untapped potential. There are not a lot of characters that have been around as long as they have without a great definitive story. There isn't a huge history to contradict and I think people are always hopeful that someone is going to do something truly epic with them.

This.

The visual is fantastic, and I think as far as street-level characters go, they have a lot of potential.

Ryudo

08-08-2011, 03:01 PM

What does that mean?

"swirl" = "squirrel"

GelfXIII

08-08-2011, 03:05 PM

It was a pretty decent sculpt and ultra rare.

Rian Fike

08-08-2011, 03:07 PM

What does that mean?

"Get your swirl on."? You never heard that?

capntightpants

08-08-2011, 03:24 PM

"Get your swirl on."? You never heard that?
I had not and I looked it up. I understand it now.

Rian Fike

08-08-2011, 03:27 PM

I had not and I looked it up. I understand it now.

Cool beans. Try it sometime!

capntightpants

08-08-2011, 03:29 PM

Cool beans. Try it sometime!

I don't consider interracial dating as a thing people need to "try". Thinking about it in those terms almost comes off as the exotification of other races.

Black Roman

08-08-2011, 03:33 PM

I don't get why you have to defend the question. Sometimes if I dont like something that a lot of others do, I like to get their perspective on it to see if it is something I am missing or just not getting for some odd reason or I am just not looking at it in the intended way.

As far as Cloak and Dagger go, I think the appeal is cool powers, a cool look, and untapped potential. There are not a lot of characters that have been around as long as they have without a great definitive story. There isn't a huge history to contradict and I think people are always hopeful that someone is going to do something truly epic with them.

Bingo. Such a cool concept, design, etc. But no one has REALLY done anything with them.

Black Roman

08-08-2011, 03:34 PM

I don't consider interracial dating as a thing people need to "try". Thinking about it in those terms almost comes off as the exotification of other races.

I personally don't even like calling it "interracial dating." We're all humans and I think you should date who you are interested/attracted to. Who gives a shit what color, creed or gender they are?

Whether I'm dating a Brenda or a George. What's it to anyone if they're white, black, green, or blue?

capntightpants

08-08-2011, 03:35 PM

I personally don't even like calling it "interracial dating."

I think you should date who you are interested/attracted to. Who gives a shit what color, creed or gender they are?

This dick sees no color!!!!

Black Roman

08-08-2011, 03:38 PM

This dick sees no color!!!!

My dick is an equal opportunity employer. I'll hire whoever is qualified.

Kedd

08-08-2011, 09:23 PM

You know what I hate? I hate when writers write Cloak as if his power resides in the cloak and not in himself. I hate that shit.

hamgravy

08-09-2011, 03:09 AM

I agree with whoever said that I always thought they make for a great visual (and bewbs) but have never read a Cloak & Dagger story that I liked.

Rob Helmerichs

08-09-2011, 03:35 AM

It's an 80s thing.

Hate_Prime

08-09-2011, 04:57 AM

I don't know if it's still true, but that they needed each other or else their powers will fuck them up was pretty cool. And that they were homeless/squatting in an old church. And their focus was saving/rehabilitating kids from vice.

Epic Conventions

08-09-2011, 05:37 AM

Weren't they created by Bill Mantlo?

I remember when they first appeared in comics. The storylines were a little too intense for me at the time. Didn't care to read about kids that were junkies. But their look was undeniably cool.

I did like how they were Street-Level heroes. Fighting thugs and gangs, instead of Super Villians and Aliens.

Foolish Mortal

08-09-2011, 05:38 AM

Marvel doesn't seem to know what to do with them. They tried changing their origin to make them mutants, and incorporate them into the X-titles, but they have undone that.

They have an interesting look and interesting powers, but they still seem unevolved as characters.

Sarcastro

08-09-2011, 07:52 AM

I'll throw in with the crowd saying that they have a great look and untapped potential.

Still, as a kid, I remember picking up an issue from their original mini by Mantlo. It was a bizarre tale of some guy poisoning aspirin bottles. Scared the bejeesus out of me. Little did I know it was mirroring real life at the time.

I've gone back to that mini since then and I really enjoyed it. It's creepy, strange and Leonardi's artwork is damn good.

Spidey616

10-29-2011, 07:03 PM

Anyone check out the Spider Island Cloak and Dagger mini?

Looks like Cloak & Dagger have

switched powers thanks to Mr. Negative

Damian696

10-30-2011, 01:41 PM

Anyone check out the Spider Island Cloak and Dagger mini?

Looks like Cloak & Dagger have

switched powers thanks to Mr. Negative

so

the hot chick now hides her, uh, assets, in a black cloak? GENIUS. :D

Kedd

10-30-2011, 01:51 PM

so

the hot chick now hides her, uh, assets, in a black cloak? GENIUS. :D

Same outfit, only it's black instead of white now.

artimoff

10-30-2011, 02:03 PM

What is wrong with Marvel? D&D get the most letters of any comic in months & they won't even commit to a second mini-series? I really think the Marvel I loved was killed when Disney bought them.

SteveFlack

10-30-2011, 02:12 PM

What is wrong with Marvel? D&D get the most letters of any comic in months & they won't even commit to a second mini-series? I really think the Marvel I loved was killed when Disney bought them.

Yes. That's exactly what happened. Mickey Mouse killed it.

SteveFlack

11-03-2011, 09:55 AM

http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort/q/255154915146477222

"Can we please get more Cloak & Dagger from Spencer and Rios? It's so rare that the perfect creative team is brought together for the perfect property."

"It doesn't look that way, sorry. For all that it got good notices, the recent CLOAK & DAGGER limited series really didn't sell well enough to warrant more."- Tom Breevort

So, in the end "Letters < Sales".