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afroloq
06-17-2011, 04:42 AM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Grieving-New-Mexico-safety-hauled-off-plane-boo?urn=ncaaf-wp2673


The Transportation Security Administration identifies many, many official threats to our skies, from contact lens solution to gel shoe inserts to throwing stars. Even in the wake of the "Underwear Bomber," though, boxer shorts have been considered generally safe — unless, that is, as New Mexico safety Deshon Marman discovered Wednesday at San Francisco International Airport, airline personnel can see a little bit too much of them:

On Wednesday, San Francisco police got a call about 9 a.m. that someone was exposing himself outside a US Airways gate, Sgt. Michael Rodriguez said.

An airline employee spotted Marman before he boarded Flight 488, bound for Albuquerque, and complained that Marman's pants "were below his buttocks but above the knees, and that much of his boxer shorts were exposed," Rodriguez said.

The employee asked Marman to pull up his pants before he boarded the plane, but he refused, Rodriguez said. Marman allegedly repeated his refusal after taking his seat on the plane.

"At that point he was asked to leave the plane," Rodriguez said. "It took 15 to 20 minutes of talking to get him to leave the plane, and he was arrested for trespassing." Marman allegedly resisted officers as he was being led away.

Rodriguez told a local TV station that the 5-foot-11, 195-pound Marman, 20, "was not threatening anybody directly," but the airline's dress code forbids "indecent exposure or inappropriate" attire, and "being disruptive" in any fashion once on the plane may interfere with the crew. He was charged with trespassing, battery and resisting arrest, and was being held on $11,000 bail ahead of a scheduled arraignment Thursday afternoon.

Marman's mother told the San Francisco Chronicle that her son was in "an emotionally raw state" after attending the funeral of a recently murdered high school friend on Tuesday, and was targeted by authorities "because of the way he looks - young black man with dreads and baggy pants." She also said that Marman, an incoming juco transfer to New Mexico from the City College of San Francisco, hoped to honor his friend's memory by making it to the NFL. She called him "a good kid trying to make it, and he's going through a lot. And then this happens." For what it's worth, his official New Mexico bio describes Marman as a "true leader with a winning mentality."

RickLM
06-17-2011, 04:58 AM
I'm still in favor of giving the pilots and flight stewards dictatorial powers, even if they seem arbitrary. People are up in the air in a small space and if a passenger is going to make others uncomfortable, and if he/she is reacting to requests in a hostile way, then sorry, you aren't flying. You err on the side of safety and civility.

Artie Pink
06-17-2011, 05:02 AM
It's a free country. And by that I mean he is free to choose another airline if he can't follow the rules of this one. Or take the bus.

Peter McLeod
06-17-2011, 05:09 AM
Yes, yes he did.

For whatever reason, they had an issue. He was asked to correct it several times and refused... if it took 15-20minutes for him to leave after being told to 'get the hell of this plane NOW'... that is not the kind of guy you want to be stuck in the air with and access to the bar!

What a prat.

Forrest
06-17-2011, 05:20 AM
I agree with Rick and Jim.

Of course, this is ridiculous overkill:


He was charged with trespassing, battery and resisting arrest, and was being held on $11,000 bail ahead of a scheduled arraignment Thursday afternoon.

The guy should have simply been kicked off the plane and had his ticket taken away and possibly being charged with trespassing. The story didn't warrant battery and resisting arrest, if you ask me. And being held on $11k bail? What the hell?! Unless the news article left out significant details, that's just asinine.

Regardless, this guy was wrong and should have been kicked off the plane for sure.

Thudpucker
06-17-2011, 05:29 AM
Yep, he desearved it. When told to get off a plane there is no room for arguement. You either leave or get arrested.

BriRedfern
06-17-2011, 05:36 AM
When I was young, flying meant something. You dressed properly to go on a plane.

/end old man rant.

Ray G.
06-17-2011, 05:36 AM
He never should have had a problem in the first place, but his actions afterwards were completely unacceptable.

silverboy
06-17-2011, 05:38 AM
Yup.

elcinco
06-17-2011, 05:39 AM
When I was young, flying meant something. You dressed properly to go on a plane.

/end old man rant.

I still do this.

But then, I have a lot of old people tendencies. :scared:

Thudpucker
06-17-2011, 05:44 AM
More details. When he got on the plane he decided to pull his pants all the way down. That was when they decided to throw him off. He then resisted arrest, causing minor injuries to a Police officer.

http://pacifica.patch.com/articles/man-removed-from-sfo-flight-after-refusing-to-hike-up-pants


A man who was removed from a U.S. Airways flight at the San Francisco International Airport and arrested after he allegedly refused to pull up his pants was released from a Redwood City jail Thursday night while prosecutors consider whether to file charges against him.

San Francisco resident Deshon Marman, 20, was arrested Wednesday morning on charges of a felony count of battery of a police officer and misdemeanor counts of resisting arrest and trespassing.

However, he has not been charged and no court date has been set while prosecutors conduct additional interviews and consider what charges, if any, should be filed, according to San Mateo County District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe.

Marman was boarding Flight 488 to Albuquerque, N.M., a flight to take him to his best friend's funeral. Marman's friend, David Henderson, was shot and killed on those same Bayview streets,according to NBC Bay Area.

Airline crew members instructed Marman several times to pull up his pants to cover his underwear, both before he boarded and on the plane, according to San Francisco police Sgt. Michael Rodriguez.

Marman allegedly refused to pull up his pants, and when he sat in his seat, he pulled them all the way down, Rodriguez said. Police were called in around 9:05 a.m.

"The captain decided he was not going to fly with that person," Rodriguez said.

Eventually the captain told other passengers on board to deplane, ordered Marman to leave the plane and then placed him under citizen's arrest for trespassing, after he refused an order to leave the plane, Rodriguez said.

Marman was escorted off the plane by police and then allegedly resisted officers when they tried to handcuff him. One officer received a cut to his hand and a sprained knee in the struggle.

U.S. Airways spokesman Andrew Christie confirmed a passenger was removed from an aircraft and taken into custody "after repeatedly ignoring crew members' instructions."

"While U.S. Airways does not have a specific dress code, we ask our customers to dress in an appropriate manner to ensure the safety and comfort of all of our passengers," Christie said.

afroloq
06-17-2011, 06:07 AM
When I was young, flying meant something. You dressed properly to go on a plane.

/end old man rant.

this also was on my mind...thank you.

@Thudpucker

Caused minor injuries? What....his weiner was too much for the officer to bear?

Kirblar
06-17-2011, 06:21 AM
He's a football player. Restraining him is not going to be easy.

And he absolutely deserved what he got here.

thatguyfromsyracuse
06-17-2011, 06:33 AM
When I was young, flying meant something. You dressed properly to go on a plane.

/end old man rant.

I don't know why, but this made me laugh.

Thudpucker
06-17-2011, 06:51 AM
this also was on my mind...thank you.

@Thudpucker

Caused minor injuries? What....his weiner was too much for the officer to bear?

You read the article I posted, right? Are you saying he cut people with his weiner? :mistrust:


One officer received a cut to his hand and a sprained knee in the struggle

Kedd
06-17-2011, 06:56 AM
I'm going to go with yes. It's a stupid chain of events, that easily could have been broken by him saying "Ok." pulling up his pants, enjoying the hour long flight, and going home. The mom is a jackass for interjecting race when there's no point in it.

Kedd
06-17-2011, 06:59 AM
You read the article I posted, right? Are you saying he cut people with his weiner? :mistrust:
You can't cut people with your schlong? Is that just a black thing?

afroloq
06-17-2011, 07:10 AM
You can't cut people with your schlong? Is that just a black thing?

Yes you can....hehehehehe!!!

BriRedfern
06-17-2011, 07:14 AM
I still do this.

But then, I have a lot of old people tendencies. :scared:

I do too.

dasNdanger
06-17-2011, 07:15 AM
In today's world it's best to comply than to fight over something as silly as a fashion statement, especially when dealing with agencies already on high alert because of terrorism. There's this old-timey thing called 'good judgment' that folks need to try to cultivate again. It would really cut back on these sorts of incidents.


das

Thudpucker
06-17-2011, 07:22 AM
You can't cut people with your schlong? Is that just a black thing?

Now I'm envious.

Heroic Age Moe
06-17-2011, 07:22 AM
Yea. I mean I don't expect I'd get to far if I tried to do that on a plane.

Or anywhere really.

Kedd
06-17-2011, 07:33 AM
Now I'm envious.
I'm sorry man. If you like, I'll cut someone with my penis knife for you.

Phantom Eagle
06-17-2011, 08:19 AM
When I was young, flying meant something. You dressed properly to go on a plane.

/end old man rant.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gEZF0piizRs/TYuEJvRaD_I/AAAAAAAAAJY/AxEikOKmRIk/s1600/old%2Bman%2Bfrom%2Bup.jpg

Buk Was Right
06-17-2011, 08:22 AM
I still do this.

But then, I have a lot of old people tendencies. :scared:

Same. I mean I don't put on a suit or anything, but I try to wear a nice shirt. AND NO SHORTS GODDAMNIT!

And this probably SHOULD have been kicked off the plane. But they should have waited until it was about an hour in the air first.

A.Huerta
06-17-2011, 08:24 AM
I just make sure I don't have a big beard when I fly. I have that "look" I don't want to worry about.

Buk Was Right
06-17-2011, 08:34 AM
I just make sure I don't have a big beard when I fly. I have that "look" I don't want to worry about.

I got pulled out and my bag taken apart last week coming back from E3. I swear to zod the whole reason was because they were training a new guy. Some big dumpy apologetic cat with a woman standing one step behind him instructing him step by step on how to root through my bag.

The funny thing is in his "meticulous" search he didn't even open every compartment (the second time that's happened to me). So I guess the secret is: If you're a dangerous smuggling terrorist, get a backpack with more than 3 zippers.

Bill Nolan
06-17-2011, 08:51 AM
Shut up and grow up. That's all the advice anyone ever needs. Ever.

Buk Was Right
06-17-2011, 08:54 AM
Shut up and grow up. That's all the advice anyone ever needs. Ever.

But I'm ENTITLED to things!

A.Huerta
06-17-2011, 08:54 AM
I got pulled out and my bag taken apart last week coming back from E3. I swear to zod the whole reason was because they were training a new guy. Some big dumpy apologetic cat with a woman standing one step behind him instructing him step by step on how to root through my bag.

The funny thing is in his "meticulous" search he didn't even open every compartment (the second time that's happened to me). So I guess the secret is: If you're a dangerous smuggling terrorist, get a backpack with more than 3 zippers.

Thanks for the advice. ;-)

TRILL, THE CARBON BASED LIFEFORM
06-17-2011, 08:55 AM
I got pulled out and my bag taken apart last week coming back from E3. I swear to zod the whole reason was because they were training a new guy. Some big dumpy apologetic cat with a woman standing one step behind him instructing him step by step on how to root through my bag.

The funny thing is in his "meticulous" search he didn't even open every compartment (the second time that's happened to me). So I guess the secret is: If you're a dangerous smuggling terrorist, get a backpack with more than 3 zippers.

Opening zippers is for suckers when you have the new nudie scans.

Kedd
06-17-2011, 08:58 AM
Opening zippers is for suckers when you have the new nudie scans.
:)

Buk Was Right
06-17-2011, 09:00 AM
Opening zippers is for suckers when you have the new nudie scans.

I always go through security with my zipper down and my dick out.

NOTHING TO HIDE HERE BOYS!

Well, not NOTHING... but oh so very little... Especially if it's cold. Or warm.

Kevin T Brown
06-17-2011, 09:03 AM
Yes, he definitely should have been kicked off the plane based on his actions. BUT he should not have been singled out the way he was. He was dressed poorly and the top of his boxers were showing, so what? Once he sat down, no one would see a damn thing. If the airport personnel just ignored him, nothing would have happened.

Spidey616
06-17-2011, 09:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=238y_E0zZK0

Thudpucker
06-17-2011, 10:01 AM
I'm sorry man. If you like, I'll cut someone with my penis knife for you.

:rofl:

This is a valuable favor, I don't want to squander it. I'll need some time to decide who I want cut.

Thudpucker
06-17-2011, 10:04 AM
Yes, he definitely should have been kicked off the plane based on his actions. BUT he should not have been singled out the way he was. He was dressed poorly and the top of his boxers were showing, so what? Once he sat down, no one would see a damn thing. If the airport personnel just ignored him, nothing would have happened.

He pulled his pants all the way down as some sort of gesture of defiance. Pulling his pants down was what got him thrown off the plane.

Andreas
06-17-2011, 10:29 AM
Makes sense to me. You can't be led away with your pants pulled down to your ankles.

Oh wait, it's baggy trousers.


security personnel: 2 - trousers: 0

Buk Was Right
06-17-2011, 10:36 AM
Makes sense to me. You can't be led away with your pants pulled down to your ankles.

Oh wait, it's baggy trousers.


security personnel: 2 - trousers: 0

I think every episode of COPS ever disproves that theory.

Mister Mets
06-17-2011, 11:13 AM
Yes, yes he did.

For whatever reason, they had an issue. He was asked to correct it several times and refused... if it took 15-20minutes for him to leave after being told to 'get the hell of this plane NOW'... that is not the kind of guy you want to be stuck in the air with and access to the bar!

What a prat.Yup.


More details. When he got on the plane he decided to pull his pants all the way down. That was when they decided to throw him off. He then resisted arrest, causing minor injuries to a Police officer.

http://pacifica.patch.com/articles/man-removed-from-sfo-flight-after-refusing-to-hike-up-pantsThere go my doubts about whether the assault and battery charge was merited.

Heroic Age Moe
06-17-2011, 11:32 AM
I always go through security with my zipper down and my dick out.

NOTHING TO HIDE HERE BOYS!

Well, not NOTHING... but oh so very little... Especially if it's cold. Or warm.

Hung like a rice.

Heroic Age Moe
06-17-2011, 11:34 AM
BUT he should not have been singled out the way he was. He was dressed poorly and the top of his boxers were showing, so what? Once he sat down, no one would see a damn thing. If the airport personnel just ignored him, nothing would have happened.


An airline employee spotted Marman before he boarded Flight 488, bound for Albuquerque, and complained that Marman's pants "were below his buttocks but above the knees, and that much of his boxer shorts were exposed," Rodriguez said.

Yeah....not sounding like just the top of the boxers.

Pull your pants down below your butt but keep them above your knee. How much of Mr Happy's castle is showing?

Yea.

Myk
06-17-2011, 03:32 PM
Yeah....not sounding like just the top of the boxers.

Pull your pants down below your butt but keep them above your knee. How much of Mr Happy's castle is showing?

Yea.

Yeah, indeed.

I think the way it's being described as "saggy pants" is less accurate than "almost completely exposed underwear" if the description of the beltline being between the bottom of the buttocks and top of the knees is accurate. I don't think the pants themselves were an issue.

It's not a question of fashion... I'm sure if he wore all his clothes inside out and back to front, there might have been some looks, but they wouldn't have asked him to change clothes or leave the plane.

afroloq
06-22-2011, 11:13 AM
and 6 days before...this happened (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110622/ap_on_re_us/us_saggy_pants_arrest_panties;_ylt=Ago1ntF9bfXdvlC flnbxYPgR.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTNubW9nNDdtBGFzc2V0A2FwLzI wMTEwNjIyL3VzX3NhZ2d5X3BhbnRzX2FycmVzdF9wYW50aWVzB GNjb2RlA3RvcGdtcHRvcDIwMHBvb2wEY3BvcwMzBHBvcwMzBHN lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDdXNhaXJ3YXlzbGV0)

Kirblar
06-22-2011, 11:49 AM
and 6 days before...this happened (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110622/ap_on_re_us/us_saggy_pants_arrest_panties;_ylt=Ago1ntF9bfXdvlC flnbxYPgR.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTNubW9nNDdtBGFzc2V0A2FwLzI wMTEwNjIyL3VzX3NhZ2d5X3BhbnRzX2FycmVzdF9wYW50aWVzB GNjb2RlA3RvcGdtcHRvcDIwMHBvb2wEY3BvcwMzBHBvcwMzBHN lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDdXNhaXJ3YXlzbGV0)
Is that guy transgendered or just cross-dressing? (Still gross, but I can see why the crew wouldn't have wanted to touch this one, both literally and figuratively.)

Heroic Age Moe
06-22-2011, 12:56 PM
and 6 days before...this happened (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110622/ap_on_re_us/us_saggy_pants_arrest_panties;_ylt=Ago1ntF9bfXdvlC flnbxYPgR.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTNubW9nNDdtBGFzc2V0A2FwLzI wMTEwNjIyL3VzX3NhZ2d5X3BhbnRzX2FycmVzdF9wYW50aWVzB GNjb2RlA3RvcGdtcHRvcDIwMHBvb2wEY3BvcwMzBHBvcwMzBHN lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDdXNhaXJ3YXlzbGV0)


He has a very tasteful top and a well put together look. Of course he can fly. He dressed up for the occasion!

Kedd
06-22-2011, 01:04 PM
I wonder how much US Airways is going to settle for.

Bill Nolan
06-22-2011, 01:24 PM
I'm sure they'll insist on at least probation and I can't believe they'll offer anything less than a lifetime ban.

Magnum V.I.
06-22-2011, 01:25 PM
I wonder how much US Airways is going to settle for.

Probably a bucket of chicken and a whole watermelon. [/buk]

dasNdanger
06-22-2011, 01:43 PM
and 6 days before...this happened (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110622/ap_on_re_us/us_saggy_pants_arrest_panties;_ylt=Ago1ntF9bfXdvlC flnbxYPgR.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTNubW9nNDdtBGFzc2V0A2FwLzI wMTEwNjIyL3VzX3NhZ2d5X3BhbnRzX2FycmVzdF9wYW50aWVzB GNjb2RlA3RvcGdtcHRvcDIwMHBvb2wEY3BvcwMzBHBvcwMzBHN lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDdXNhaXJ3YXlzbGV0)

Okay, now I wanna scrub myself with bleach.

If this is true, then I definitely see a double standard. Of course, it could be argued that it was a different crew handling the different passengers, but still...I would NOT let that guy on the plane dressed in little skimpy underdrawers. It's totally inappropriate.


das

Heroic Age Moe
06-22-2011, 01:55 PM
Okay, now I wanna scrub myself with bleach.

If this is true, then I definitely see a double standard. Of course, it could be argued that it was a different crew handling the different passengers, but still...I would NOT let that guy on the plane dressed in little skimpy underdrawers. It's totally inappropriate.


das

Nah. Sure dude is gonna make a stink of it.

But what it will boils down to is who listened and who did not. Yea, it's a large company and they have "a policy" but to assume everyone is gonna enforce that broad policy the same way across the globe is laughable.

I'd expect a new policy soon, something along the lines "no underwear" and depending on how much guy pushes racist a settlement or whatever which would be lame. I'd say if his Def Attorney has pics of his whole time in the airport with no organ exposed then maybe, but I guess we will see.