Yup! Greg Land doesnt trace at all.

[KirbyKrackle]

It certainly doesn't look like land traced a woman's face from a porn site and passed it off as dazzlers face. Its definitely all just reference and sheer talent on his part!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201108/UNCX542_col.jpg

[NickT]

Eh, that's not really on the level of some of his other examples.

[Mattman]

Uuuuuuuuhhhh ---- wha?

[shoelaceless]

Good, good. That dead horse wasn't quite tender enough yet.

[King of Mars]

One of his more natural looking pieces, actually.

[A.Huerta]

Colossus is taking it like a champ.

[Matthew Brown]

Colossus is taking it like a champ.

It looks like he's humping the hell out of the crevice of that index finger.

[A.Huerta]

It looks like he's humping the hell out of the crevice of that index finger.

Now the whole thing looks like an orgy.

[Ben]

Apparently you guys don't like looking at porn chicks?

[capntightpants]

Good, good. That dead horse wasn't quite tender enough yet.

That's what I was thinking.

[Jason California]

Good, good. That dead horse wasn't quite tender enough yet.

:lol:

[TheKraken]

While the porn face is still pretty funny, my first thought on seeing that was I haven't seen him try this hard in like a decade. It doesn't look like it was cobbled together and sent off as fast as humanly possible like, oh, everything he's done since coming to Marvel. There's actually a style to that piece for once, all the figures actually look like they're occupying the same space for once, and (barring the porn face) it has a coherence I thought he'd long since lost interest in trying to achieve. It's actually not too bad. But the porn face still makes it laughable.

[Spidey616]

Could be worse....

[daveydeadite]

I don't dig him too much either, but this is a pretty cool cover. If anything, this is one of the only recent pieces of art by him that doesn't look super stiff and traced.

[Mwstattel]

That's probably one of the better pieces of his that I've seen since Sojourn.

[Doc Randy]

I've actually started to like his work more and more.

I don't care if he traces. He can use whatever tools he wants to help tell the story.

[Buk Was Right]

Good, good. That dead horse wasn't quite tender enough yet.

HEY THAT LIEFIELD GUY DOESN'T DRAW VERY NATURAL LOOKING ANATOMY AMIRITEYOUGUYS?!???!?l

[Hate_Prime]

While the porn face is still pretty funny, my first thought on seeing that was I haven't seen him try this hard in like a decade. It doesn't look like it was cobbled together and sent off as fast as humanly possible like, oh, everything he's done since coming to Marvel. There's actually a style to that piece for once, all the figures actually look like they're occupying the same space for once, and (barring the porn face) it has a coherence I thought he'd long since lost interest in trying to achieve. It's actually not too bad. But the porn face still makes it laughable.

Agreed. Still, though I don't mind that cover, I'd hate it as interior art.

[KirbyKrackle]

I've actually started to like his work more and more.

I don't care if he traces. He can use whatever tools he wants to help tell the story.

*greg lands reads your post, grabs a copy of watchmen, whites out alan moore and dave gibbons, and replaces with his own name*

There you go.

[Masculine Todd]

u mad?

[Heroic Age Moe]

Colossus is taking it like a champ.

From the porn face girl.

[The Hodag]

When I clicked on this thread I thought I was gonna get a spectacularly awesome side-by-side of art and the photoreference source. I was disappointed.

My favorite swipe file lately is this one from Superman Earth One:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?28848-Swipe-File-Lois-Lane-And-Dexter-s-Little-Sister

At least it's an amalgamation of two images, but it's still pushing it. 'Course, I just don't much like the aesthetics of photorealistic comic art anyway.

[KirbyKrackle]

u mad?

Not mad, just really annoyed. It's so obvious that face is traced from porn. Plus I wish marvel would give the book to an artist that can draw without flat-out stealing and could be rewarded with payment for having actual talent.

[The Hodag]

Older Greg Land stuff, like Nightwing/Birds of Prey era stuff, generally felt much less dependent on photoreference. I prefer that era, but I'd never say the guy has no talent. Personally I think phororeference is an unnecessary security blanket for him and I do think it's hindering his growth as an artist...but he's always had talent.

[gaspar]

I've actually started to like his work more and more.

I don't care if he traces. He can use whatever tools he wants to help tell the story.

Same here. I prefer a more stylized art in my comics, but he's had some solid covers / pages lately.

[The Funketeer]

When you can trace something that looks that good you can complain and I might care.

[KirbyKrackle]

Older Greg Land stuff, like Nightwing/Birds of Prey era stuff, generally felt much less dependent on photoreference. I prefer that era, but I'd never say the guy has no talent. Personally I think phororeference is an unnecessary security blanket for him and I do think it's hindering his growth as an artist...but he's always had talent.

Saying he has no talent was knee-jerk and presumptuous of me. And yes, I agree he needs to step away from the photo references.

[A.Huerta]

Not mad, just really annoyed. It's so obvious that face is traced from porn. Plus I wish marvel would give the book to an artist that can draw without flat-out stealing and could be rewarded with payment for having actual talent.

Cooperations don't care how it's done, as long as they make money. So, learn to deal with it or just ignore it.

[The Hodag]

Cooperations don't care how it's done, as long as they make money. So, learn to deal with it or just ignore it.

Exception: if he accidentally traces the jizz that was on those porn faces, I want someone to post it.

[Jason California]

I wonder if that is Savannah Gold? I am not up on my white blond porn stars these days though

[A.Huerta]

Exception: if he accidentally traces the jizz that was on those porn faces, I want someone to post it.

I think the bottom, center panel is the closest thing you'll get.
http://theslowbullet.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/land.jpg

[KirbyKrackle]

this one always gives me a chuckle.

http://media.insidepulse.com/old/columnImages2007/image36860.jpg

Also, on the top left drawing, whats that white stuff?

[Thomas Mauer]

While the porn face is still pretty funny, my first thought on seeing that was I haven't seen him try this hard in like a decade. It doesn't look like it was cobbled together and sent off as fast as humanly possible like, oh, everything he's done since coming to Marvel. There's actually a style to that piece for once, all the figures actually look like they're occupying the same space for once, and (barring the porn face) it has a coherence I thought he'd long since lost interest in trying to achieve. It's actually not too bad. But the porn face still makes it laughable.
Orgy screencap?

[Buk Was Right]

I wonder if that is Savannah Gold? I am not up on my white blond porn stars these days though

There are so FEW of them how can you not keep track?

Poor blonde white chicks... So under represented in porn.

[SteveFlack]

When I clicked on this thread I thought I was gonna get a spectacularly awesome side-by-side of art and the photoreference source. I was disappointed.

My favorite swipe file lately is this one from Superman Earth One:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?28848-Swipe-File-Lois-Lane-And-Dexter-s-Little-Sister

At least it's an amalgamation of two images, but it's still pushing it. 'Course, I just don't much like the aesthetics of photorealistic comic art anyway.

Well, at least he gave her bigger boobs.

[Foolish Mortal]

First came "Dreamworks Face", now comes "Land's Porn Face".

[Jef UK]

That doesn't look traced to me. What a bad example!

[PatrickA]

I have (hanging in my living room) a Thor sketch that Land did for me. It's quite good.

[Cactusakic]

I've actually started to like his work more and more.

I don't care if he traces. He can use whatever tools he wants to help tell the story.

Ditto.


*greg lands reads your post, grabs a copy of watchmen, whites out alan moore and dave gibbons, and replaces with his own name*

There you go.

Yes. That is exactly the same as what he is doing now, no difference between the two at all.

Out of curiosity, have you been reading Bendis/Maleev's Scarlet?
If so, what is your take on the artwork there?

[Jef UK]

Jim Lee has drawn the exact same face thousands of times.

[xyzzy]

This sort of thing only really bothers me on interior art when he was tracing/referencing different faces for each panel. For a cover, it's fine.

[TheKraken]

Jim Lee has drawn the exact same face thousands of times.

If you mean he draws the same face over and over, sure. Lots of artists have stock faces, poses, etc. But it's never counterproductive to the piece, because they also have common sense. Land's O faces don't communicate what the character is meant to be thinking. And they look funny in drawings that are supposed to be serious. They damage any drawing they appear in.

If you're saying Jim Lee has drawn Greg Land's O face ladies thousands of times, you are crazy. :)

[Kedd]

It certainly doesn't look like land traced a woman's face from a porn site and passed it off as dazzlers face. Its definitely all just reference and sheer talent on his part!

This is shocking news and an opinion that I have never heard before!!!! You, sir, have an eye. Two of them in fact.

[Kedd]

Did you guys ever notice that Rob Liefeld doesn't draw feet all that well? What's that all about?

[Jef UK]

If you mean he draws the same face over and over, sure. Lots of artists have stock faces, poses, etc. But it's never counterproductive to the piece, because they also have common sense. Land's O faces don't communicate what the character is meant to be thinking. And they look funny in drawings that are supposed to be serious. They damage any drawing they appear in.

If you're saying Jim Lee has drawn Greg Land's O face ladies thousands of times, you are crazy. :)

I agree with your analysis. But I'm also crazy!

[Artie Pink]

He's a better artist without this crutch, but overall I don't mind one mainstream comic a month looking like this.

[Kevin T Brown]

I have (hanging in my living room) a Thor sketch that Land did for me. It's quite good.

Did you provide the porn mag for reference?

[PatrickA]

Did you provide the porn mag for reference?

I did not. He sat there and drew it freehand.

[Ben]

Only comic book geeks would ever complain about having to look at hot chicks with seductive looks on their faces.

[Ben]

I did not. He sat there and drew it freehand.Surely there was a porn booth of some kind across the aisle, right?

[McGill]

Only comic book geeks would ever complain about having to look at hot chicks with seductive looks on their faces.

I will be the first to say I don't read comics to look at hot chicks. That's why real women were invented.

[Phantom Eagle]

Only comic book geeks would ever complain about having to look at hot chicks with seductive looks on their faces.

This response is full of win.

[Ben]

I will be the first to say I don't read comics to look at hot chicks. That's why real women were invented.All the more reason to look at them in comics if you live in Indiana.

[artimoff]

There are lots of tracers. I usually like the ones that hire their own models, not copy from magazines & websites.

Also, that's Magick, not Dazzler

[A.Huerta]

Ditto.



Yes. That is exactly the same as what he is doing now, no difference between the two at all.

Out of curiosity, have you been reading Bendis/Maleev's Scarlet?
If so, what is your take on the artwork there?

Doesn't Maleev take his own pictures and does more referencing, than actual lightbox tracing?

[Matt!!]

There are lots of tracers. I usually like the ones that hire their own models, not coppy from magazines & websites.

Also, that's Magick, not Dazzler

Which makes this picture even more creepy, if you're reading between the lines and pretty much assuming Colossus is reacting to whatever the girl behind him is doing. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is now illegal territory. Won't someone think of the children??

For the record, I used to like Land, and much like everyone else I'm just bored of him taking the easy way out. Not from any prudish reasoning, just that his poses are usually very stiff and lifeless and don't work in the context of the panel he's drawing, so my problem is more on the lack of artistry involved. Yeah he sells books, but he's on Uncanny X-Men, one of the top selling books even at its lowest point. It's like saying that Michael Bay clearly has fans because Transformers 2 made a shit load of money. That film was always going to do well, and generally people have poor taste. Or at least they buy it and then complain about it.

[Doc Randy]

I think it is funny that people complain about the O-faces land draws, but I hardly ever hear any complaints about the constant cheesy teeth-baring gaping-mouth faces people draw for super heroes. You know... the "I'm get so angry and feral looking while I and am posing/fighting" look.

[PatrickA]

Surely there was a porn booth of some kind across the aisle, right?

It was at my LCS so....maybe. It's a pretty awesome LCS!

He was a rather nice guy.

[mario]

I think it is funny that people complain about the O-faces land draws, but I hardly ever hear any complaints about the constant cheesy teeth-baring gaping-mouth faces people draw for super heroes. You know... the "I'm get so angry and feral looking while I and am posing/fighting" look.

those are traced from gay s&m websites!

[TIP]

All the more reason to look at them in comics if you live in Indiana.

:lol:

[Kefky]

I know that it's become trite to rag on the guy, but his stuff looks so goofy and ridiculous that it completely takes me out of the story.

He's one of the main reasons why I haven't read uncanny x-men in over an year.

[NickT]

This sort of thing only really bothers me on interior art when he was tracing/referencing different faces for each panel. For a cover, it's fine.
You mean like, from panel to panel a character looks like a different person? If so, that's my big thing too. If the characters were more consistent, and certain pictures weren't used too often, I think I'd be fine with his art.


I think the argument about the porn faces can be a little unfair, because some of them really could be anything.





Also, he did recently give us the most dramatic removal of a blanket ever :D

[jason hissong]

I know that it's become trite to rag on the guy, but his stuff looks so goofy and ridiculous that it completely takes me out of the story.

He's one of the main reasons why I haven't read uncanny x-men in over an year.

Goofy and ridiculous like . . . a giant Russian farmer being able to turn his body into metal goofy and ridiculous?

[Andrew]

this one always gives me a chuckle.

http://media.insidepulse.com/old/columnImages2007/image36860.jpg

:lol:

[Ryudo]

http://cheapshooter.com/images/lightbox.jpg

[Jef UK]

Yo, dog, he goofy like Psylocke's origin. Whaddup?

[jason hissong]

Yo, dog, he goofy like Psylocke's origin. Whaddup?

She was a British aristocrat that went through a siege perilous (whatever that means) and turned into an Asian woman.

WTF?

[Kefky]

I dun get it

[Evan the Shaggy]

Listen you all need to stop making fun of Greg Land

HE'S A GOOD BOY!

http://www.buzzhollywood.com/celebrity-images/1278919523/16fab_meet-abuela.png

[Kedd]

I dun get it

Kirby made a discovery concerning Lands use of light boxes! It's an observation never before talked about in an in depth manner! It's amazing!

[HomerGator]

Listen you all need to stop making fun of Greg Land

HE'S A GOOD BOY!

http://www.buzzhollywood.com/celebrity-images/1278919523/16fab_meet-abuela.png

lol I hated that lady.

[Mark4myself]

Who's Greg Land?

[CPA]

I always enjoyed the one where he traced someone doing Triple H's signature pose.

[HomerGator]

I always enjoyed the one where he traced someone doing Triple H's signature pose.

He's used Triple H a few times...

[A.Huerta]

I always enjoyed the one where he traced someone doing Triple H's signature pose.

Check out Thor.
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss67/Oak1and/GregLandMagic.jpg

This one was pretty sneaky and I didn't notice it before, but the Iron Man caught my eye. Props on switching his head and legs.

[TIP]

Listen you all need to stop making fun of Greg Land

HE'S A GOOD BOY!

http://www.buzzhollywood.com/celebrity-images/1278919523/16fab_meet-abuela.png

:lol:!!!

[CPA]

That is one of them. I remember a shot of Sabretooth or something as the first one I noticed.

Larocca gets off a little too easy also. I remember reading his run on Uncanny Xmen and seeing the official first appearance of Hillary Clinton as Val Cooper.

[HomerGator]

That is one of them. I remember a shot of Sabretooth or something as the first one I noticed.

Larocca gets off a little too easy also. I remember reading his run on Uncanny Xmen and seeing the official first appearance of Hillary Clinton as Val Cooper.

Larocca every now and then throws out one that's really obvious, but I think he's using people as model references, not tracing with a light box.

[CPA]

He is definitely tracing people. I am not sure about the light box. I am just tired of some of these guys not taking the time to use the previous artists developments and making the characters have real life counterparts. There was a time where Stark was Timothy Dalton.

[irate snowman]

This Bleeding Cool entry made me laugh...
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/05/04/one-day-northstar-will-look-left/

Ya, I will LOVE the day that they get Land off Uncanny. Rotating him with the Dodson's makes him look even worse than he would on his own...

[HomerGator]

I actually enjoy Land's work for the most part. His Magneto is awesome, and I loved his Ultimate Fantastic Four with Mark Millar.

But you're right, irate snowman (love that name), when you see his work mixed in with the Dodsons it really stands out like a sore thumb.

[CPA]

You are right about him being off Uncanny. Dodson is so fluid in his art that the change to Land makes Land look really lazy in comparison.

[HomerGator]

The worst example was Uncanny issue 500, when you could turn the pages from Land to Dodson and back to Land. I remember wishing like hell that the whole issue had been done by Dodson...

[CPA]

I really enjoyed Land when he drew Birds of Prey. Issue 8 of that series was one of the best comics all around I have ever read. Once he came back from CrossGen, this is what we were left with and it is very disjointed.

[McGill]

All the more reason to look at them in comics if you live in Indiana.

Lots of colleges here though. Out of state girls galore!

[HomerGator]

I really enjoyed Land when he drew Birds of Prey. Issue 8 of that series was one of the best comics all around I have ever read. Once he came back from CrossGen, this is what we were left with and it is very disjointed.

Glad you mentioned CrossGen, because I think Greg Land's best work was Sojourn. That book was awesome.

[irate snowman]

The worst example was Uncanny issue 500, when you could turn the pages from Land to Dodson and back to Land. I remember wishing like hell that the whole issue had been done by Dodson...

Or that page where Angel (?) is talking about how great the view is looking out of their new home/mansion, and the next panel it's a shot looking AT the building... LOL

found it online, just scroll to the bottom
http://www.weeklycrisis.com/2008/07/comic-book-moments-of-week-for-072308.html

[Jef UK]

Or that page where Angel (?) is talking about how great the view is looking out of their new home/mansion, and the next panel it's a shot looking AT the building... LOL

found it online, just scroll to the bottom
http://www.weeklycrisis.com/2008/07/comic-book-moments-of-week-for-072308.html

I think that blogger is being uselessly nickpicky. The scene reads fine because you can see how nice his big giant windows are and how the opulent place he lives in would look out over the scene he is describing.

[Buk Was Right]

I think that blogger is being uselessly nickpicky. The scene reads fine because you can see how nice his big giant windows are and how the opulent place he lives in would look out over the scene he is describing.

Look man, I don't read comics to have my FUCKING IMAGINATION fill in the goddamn details.

[batroc the leaper]

I've just been skimming this thread, but has anyone shown jim lee's interpretation of greg land's o-face?

[SmoManCometh]

I feel stupid sometimes, but I don't hate Greg Land on Uncanny. As much as everyone hates his art, and I understand why with his women, but I love his guys, Magneto and Scott and what not.

[bradical]

are the folks bitching about him still buying the comics he draws? cause it seems a pretty simple solution to me. don't dig his stuff, don't buy it. i don't buy it every day and i'm doing alright.

[McGill]

are the folks bitching about him still buying the comics he draws? cause it seems a pretty simple solution to me. don't dig his stuff, don't buy it. i don't buy it every day and i'm doing alright.

Same here. If the art or writing sucks. I tend to pass.

[Maestro]

I really want to like Kieron Gillen's new run on Uncanny X-Men. I really do. I wish Land was on another book... like Iron Man 2.0

[stevapalooza]

Yeah I consider this one of the least offensive instances of tracing. It still required a hell of a lot of drawing ability to pull off, so it's not like anyone got off easy.

[Slewo.O]

I really want to like Kieron Gillen's new run on Uncanny X-Men. I really do. I wish Land was on another book... like Iron Man 2.0

:mistrust:

At the very least we can hope they take a couple off the platoon they have working on that book for X-Men, but there's no need to wish horrible things to the other book.

[MayorMitch100]

I really want to like Kieron Gillen's new run on Uncanny X-Men. I really do. I wish Land was on another book... like Iron Man 2.0

All the more reason for me not to give a crap about that book!

[Slewo.O]

All the more reason for me not to give a crap about that book!

Uncanny or 2.0?

[MayorMitch100]

Uncanny or 2.0?

Both!!

[Slewo.O]

Both!!

:lol:

Thought so.

[CPA]

I am buying the book because I have an unbroken run of Xmen since issue 200. I like the stories. I think that Uncanny is a little off in that the book is too broad in character usage. The book felt like Secret Xmen in which Cyclops and Emma would select certain Xmen for each mission or purpose.

I really miss New Xmen with Kyle and Yost. I enjoyed the characters and I wish I could read a monthly book about those various characters.

[Matt Jay]

Goofy and ridiculous like . . . a giant Russian farmer being able to turn his body into metal goofy and ridiculous?

More like goofy and ridiculous in the sense that "I just discovered that my long dead mother is alive and my appropriate facial expression is that of surprise anal."

[xyzzy]

I think that blogger is being uselessly nickpicky. The scene reads fine because you can see how nice his big giant windows are and how the opulent place he lives in would look out over the scene he is describing.

It reads okay, but c'mon. You don't have a line like "the best view I've ever seen" and "welcome to San Francisco" and then not show San Francisco. It's just lazy. If this was a script and it said there "[exterior shot]" are you really picturing a close up of windows?

[Jef UK]

It reads okay, but c'mon. You don't have a line like "the best view I've ever seen" and "welcome to San Francisco" and then not show San Francisco. It's just lazy. If this was a script and it said there "[exterior shot]" are you really picturing a close up of windows?

I'm sure it's a shortcut, but with the amount of pages he draws on time in a year, I don't think Land should be accused of being "lazy," and this particular shortcut reads fine to me, which is what matters most.

[NickT]

Larocca every now and then throws out one that's really obvious, but I think he's using people as model references, not tracing with a light box.
This is the thing with these sort of discussions though, there are a lot of things getting lumped together when they can be quite different.

[xyzzy]

I'm sure it's a shortcut, but with the amount of pages he draws on time in a year, I don't think Land should be accused of being "lazy," and this particular shortcut reads fine to me, which is what matters most.

If not lazy, then just shoddy. Better to do a few things right than a lot of things half-assed. To me, anyway. If other people like half-assed stuff, that's okay with me, too. I don't think that makes me "uselessly nitpicky" as you put it.

[DaveCummings]

Kirby made a discovery concerning Lands use of light boxes! It's an observation never before talked about in an in depth manner! It's amazing!

I know, when I saw the thread I was like "is it 2004?"

[Jef UK]

If not lazy, then just shoddy. Better to do a few things right than a lot of things half-assed. To me, anyway. If other people like half-assed stuff, that's okay with me, too. I don't think that makes me "uselessly nitpicky" as you put it.

I'll allow it, counselor.

[Actual Butt]

Yes, the Land tracing issue is years old at this point, but this cover uses an image that most long time comic readers, and all comic collectors should be familiar with. Take out the X-Men characters, and insert a VHS cassette into the giant demonic hand. I can't remember the name of the game it was an ad for, but I do know that it appeared on the back cover of hundreds of Marvel and DC books. DragonStrike? Dungeon Something? It wasn't Dungeons and Dragons, but it did it's best to look like it. Anyone help me out here?

[Ben]

Yes, the Land tracing issue is years old at this point, but this cover uses an image that most long time comic readers, and all comic collectors should be familiar with. Take out the X-Men characters, and insert a VHS cassette into the giant demonic hand. I can't remember the name of the game it was an ad for, but I do know that it appeared on the back cover of hundreds of Marvel and DC books. DragonStrike? Dungeon Something? It wasn't Dungeons and Dragons, but it did it's best to look like it. Anyone help me out here?I'm more interested in learning how an actual butt types on a keyboard!

[Stark Raving]

Call me crazy, but I think Netflix is spinning off their DVD business just so they can sell it.

[Dan-C]

Call me crazy, but I think Netflix is spinning off their DVD business just so they can sell it.

You crazy, fool!

[Kedd]

Call me crazy, but I think Netflix is spinning off their DVD business just so they can sell it.
:ecstatic:

[GelfXIII]

Dragonlance?

[SteveFlack]

Yes, the Land tracing issue is years old at this point, but this cover uses an image that most long time comic readers, and all comic collectors should be familiar with. Take out the X-Men characters, and insert a VHS cassette into the giant demonic hand. I can't remember the name of the game it was an ad for, but I do know that it appeared on the back cover of hundreds of Marvel and DC books. DragonStrike? Dungeon Something? It wasn't Dungeons and Dragons, but it did it's best to look like it. Anyone help me out here?

Which cover?

[Kedd]

Which cover?
that cover!

[artimoff]

The cover in the first post would be my guess.

[Stark Raving]

You crazy, fool!
:crazy::crazy:

[Matthew Brown]

The cover in the first post would be my guest.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2895019/kt_lumiere1.JPG

[artimoff]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2895019/kt_lumiere1.JPG

http://www.seemyvest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/simpsons-seemyvest.jpg

[Spidey616]

Hehehe "Butt"

:)


Yes, the Land tracing issue is years old at this point, but this cover uses an image that most long time comic readers, and all comic collectors should be familiar with. Take out the X-Men characters, and insert a VHS cassette into the giant demonic hand. I can't remember the name of the game it was an ad for, but I do know that it appeared on the back cover of hundreds of Marvel and DC books. DragonStrike? Dungeon Something? It wasn't Dungeons and Dragons, but it did it's best to look like it. Anyone help me out here?

[costello]

What's this about Dragon Strike? I bought that game. It was cool, but not as good as Hero Quest.