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rogerio
02-16-2011, 08:37 AM
Here comes my idea for a new Black Widow. Unfortunately the Marvel guys don’t liked…:Oops:

The story is by myself and my friend Leno Carvalho did the artwork.

Let me know what you guys think, please.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JadXhKU9lYg/TVwDqHpB8SI/AAAAAAAAAiI/FiS336qbt8c/s1600/pagina%2B1.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YS41zCTTa7g/TVwEg6xjeBI/AAAAAAAAAiQ/JgnFFzglAeo/s1600/pagina%2B2.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-apjoXd8p0vQ/TVwEptNVkNI/AAAAAAAAAiY/BP6romSEYp4/s1600/p%25C3%25A1gina%2B3%2Bagain.JPG

rogerio
02-16-2011, 08:38 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3RFE1-GIO2Y/TVwE8wWz3dI/AAAAAAAAAig/EFnvgGKPjmI/s1600/p%25C3%25A1gina%2B4.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BkJpMhzznlw/TVwFIR_1qHI/AAAAAAAAAio/NKyzYj78ehY/s1600/pagina%2B5%2Bcom%2Bletras.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QeAf5EA7Bpo/TVwGY3pYtQI/AAAAAAAAAiw/Kk7ROmooDzY/s1600/pagina%2B6.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4D5WSU4-3zI/TVwGqKv-FoI/AAAAAAAAAi4/xwiNNz3DE20/s1600/p%25C3%25A1gina%2B07.JPG
More coming...

rogerio
02-16-2011, 08:42 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YxHFqJhFLrU/TVwH5CXmp9I/AAAAAAAAAjA/4ImwFHabgBc/s1600/pagina%2B08.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rVmHUhfx1Nk/TVwIJBDgmLI/AAAAAAAAAjI/6hP78O4wKBk/s1600/pagina%2B9.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OCWZHahvZZI/TVwIgGEhVQI/AAAAAAAAAjQ/t9bzdXWVXiE/s1600/p%25C3%25A1gina%2B10.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H7muRlU0KoE/TVwIvzNNcdI/AAAAAAAAAjY/vnJ5D_TGIEw/s1600/pagina%2B11.JPG

nick maynard
02-16-2011, 08:44 AM
i think the coloring and lettering could be improved but i think that art is really great.

michealdark
02-16-2011, 08:45 AM
Awesome!

Marc Lombardi
02-16-2011, 08:45 AM
Needs a little bit of editing as far as dialogue (grammar, mostly). But considering I would have a difficult time writing a comic in Portugese, I think you did a nice job. And your friend's art looks very nice.

rogerio
02-16-2011, 08:45 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-j1Z2zTHyDTM/TVwJCJ6FAyI/AAAAAAAAAjg/mwW-m0pyrx0/s1600/pagina%2B12.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EUNNhCQ5Edg/TVwNHxx-3SI/AAAAAAAAAjo/cXGEzi4XS0k/s1600/alianenko.JPG
;-)

SteveFlack
02-16-2011, 08:46 AM
Is that Black Widow a new character you created and brought to Marvel? That's a no-no when it comes to unsolicited submissions. You're lucky that they read it at all.

rogerio
02-16-2011, 08:48 AM
Needs a little bit of editing as far as dialogue (grammar, mostly). But considering I would have a difficult time writing a comic in Portugese, I think you did a nice job. And your friend's art looks very nice.

I know I know.
I am trying to improve my english.:Oops:

michealdark
02-16-2011, 08:52 AM
edit: Nothing to see, move along

Kedd
02-16-2011, 08:55 AM
I like what I've seen/read so far, I'll have to finish later. Some editing would help grammar wise, but that's a minor complaint at this point. The artwork looks good and the coloring is very nice. I'll have more to say later today. But pitching a new Marvel story to the company will rarely go over well just because they can't accept unsolicited pitches.

rogerio
02-16-2011, 09:41 AM
Thanks Kedd.:cool:

BenC (formerly Ape-X)
02-16-2011, 09:44 AM
I haven't had time to read it (yet) but the art looks fantastic. Kinda' like Michael Lark inked by a Leo Bermejo / Kevin Nowlin mash-up. I did notice a few lettering hiccups.

tdaniel
02-16-2011, 10:35 AM
Rogerio - wonderful stuff,a lot of talent on the page there. So I have to ask why not create your own character? Why not fashion your own book out of this story? If the goal is to get to Marvel then look no further than Fraction/Hickman/Spencer...

You're from Brazil? I would love to learn a lot more about that place and culture through your story telling and character.

dougmac
02-16-2011, 11:37 AM
Looks very nice.

Ashwin Pande
02-16-2011, 11:42 AM
Yeah, if you've got a great artist you're working with go make something that's truly yours.

Spidey616
02-16-2011, 11:46 AM
Tell your friend Leno, I'm really digging his art! Hope he keeps it up and to see more stuff by him :)

BenC (formerly Ape-X)
02-16-2011, 11:48 AM
Rogerio - wonderful stuff,a lot of talent on the page there. So I have to ask why not create your own character? Why not fashion your own book out of this story? If the goal is to get to Marvel then look no further than Fraction/Hickman/Spencer...

You're from Brazil? I would love to learn a lot more about that place and culture through your story telling and character.

I was thinking this same thing! If anything, you could re-purpose this or bust out your own creation and start pitching!

EDIT: Ok, I just read everything And I'm with Ashwin and the rest - make your own book. Create a title you're crazy passionate about. This isn't meant to sound negative at all. That's insanely solid work. I'd be really curious to see what you two came up with.

capntightpants
02-16-2011, 11:57 AM
Rogerio, I agree with everyone else.

Your work is great, but you really should consider creating your own work. Marvel doesn't take unsolicited submissions (for legal reasons, they say, not because they don't like them). I've heard that if you'd like to work for Marvel, the best way is to get your name out there doing your own creator-owned work. They'll approach you if they think you're Marvel material. Or at least, you'll have some published work behind your name when you try asking them for a shot.

Xorn
02-16-2011, 11:58 AM
your talent is incredible! I second the notion to try to make your own book/character or maybe the eyes of the industry are watching and snatching you up soon :)

Patch
02-16-2011, 01:04 PM
A few comments, Rogerio.
There are a million nuances to English, all of them creating a variety of attitudes and personalities. Even English and American writers strive to capture their intricacies. I don't envy your approaching this from a second-language perspective.
Second, and a lot of writers do this unfortunately, avoid collages when telling backstory. They are old-fashioned, uninvolving, unexciting. They keep your reader from 'feeling' it. Try to tell backstory just as you would your main story, moment to moment.
Don't strive to be a solid Marvel or DC book, strive to be more exciting and surprising than a solid Marvel or DC book.

As far as the art, keep showing that guy's stuff around and he's a phone call from getting 'poached'. The two of you should make your own spy book, even if it's a sleek female spy. There were sleek, female spies before Black Widow, there can be some after-- this also frees you up to tell the story any way you want to, give the character any qualities you want.

michealdark
02-16-2011, 01:11 PM
Yeah, listen to Patch there. It shouldn't bee too hard to tweak your ideas here into something original. Characters are archetypes. They're easily adaptable.

rogerio
02-17-2011, 06:02 AM
Nick, Shadowline Pimp, Steve, Kedd, Ape-X, tdaniel, dougmac, ashwin, Spidey616, Capntightpants, Xorn, Mr. Patch and Michael, I’m here to learn as much as I can. Thanks for every reply!
I am writing and penciling my own espionage series right now. (text revisor required, please!:)).
Tdaniel, I have plans to do some stories with brazilian characters too.

Here go an unlettered sneak peek of another story I’ve been working..(the amazing artwork is by Leno Carvalho)
"The Black Widow is trying rescue a young girl kidnaped by russian mobsters. The investigations lead Natalia to discover a plot of human experiences in an abandoned soviet facility..."
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZPfhZJvWMeQ/TUl1dVXp-RI/AAAAAAAAAhM/PFSVW3BuP1k/s1600/BlackWidow_TheFirstMission_Pag_00-02_Pencil_LenoCarvalho_InkerDigital_Color_EllisCar los_%255B1%255D.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZPfhZJvWMeQ/TUmvLbYtIaI/AAAAAAAAAhc/izocpMLWtYg/s1600/pagina%2Bdupla.JPG
Leno's blog:
http://ljdecarvalho.blogspot.com/

Thanks again, you guys are awesome!:)

Ben
02-17-2011, 06:29 AM
Holy crap, he's going to be discovered any second now.

rogerio
02-17-2011, 06:35 AM
Holy crap, he's going to be discovered any second now.
Leno's work has been featured in Boom Studios‟ Station and some issues of DC‟s Jimmy Olsen. His next project is going to be a comic named Nevermore from Dynamite Comics.

...but his dream is work for Marvel.:)

Kedd
02-17-2011, 06:52 AM
A few comments, Rogerio.
There are a million nuances to English, all of them creating a variety of attitudes and personalities. Even English and American writers strive to capture their intricacies. I don't envy your approaching this from a second-language perspective.
Second, and a lot of writers do this unfortunately, avoid collages when telling backstory. They are old-fashioned, uninvolving, unexciting. They keep your reader from 'feeling' it. Try to tell backstory just as you would your main story, moment to moment.
Don't strive to be a solid Marvel or DC book, strive to be more exciting and surprising than a solid Marvel or DC book.

As far as the art, keep showing that guy's stuff around and he's a phone call from getting 'poached'. The two of you should make your own spy book, even if it's a sleek female spy. There were sleek, female spies before Black Widow, there can be some after-- this also frees you up to tell the story any way you want to, give the character any qualities you want.
Patch pretty much nails it.

I like what the two of you have done and you should definately keep at it.

ever_seeking
02-17-2011, 06:59 AM
That's good stuff, keep at it trying to get into Marvel, but along the way of course, write and draw your own characters.

BenC (formerly Ape-X)
02-17-2011, 07:19 AM
Don't view doing your own book as a runner-up to working for Marvel.

Do your own thing. Something that moves you. Something that strikes a chord within you. Something you're passionate about.

Comics need more great comics, not just great MARVEL comics. [I think someone WAY more credible said that originally...]

I'm glad we have Jason Aaron's Scalped and not Jason Aaron's Scalped retrofitted into a Punisher story. It wouldn't be the same.

Artist Cory Smith and I have been toiling away on our book The Independents (www.declareindependents.com) for a year now and we love it. We put together a "teaser" 12 page story to introduce the characters and concepts and that alone has been insanely rewarding. Even if we never get picked up, it's been a eye-opening learning experience and I've made some great, lifelong friends.

Do we want to work for Marvel? Sure. But over the course of pitching, writing and re-writing we've created something really personal, unique and, most importantly, our own.

We will keep plugging away, 'cause we want to share this story with everybody. It's our baby. And if the big two happen to notice us along the way? Awesome.

This plan may not work for you...or for anybody else...but it helps me sleep at night! ;)

rogerio
02-17-2011, 07:24 AM
Thanks Ape-X.
I have tons of ideas for independent comics in my mind.

...but I love Black Widow.:)

I AM GROOT!
02-17-2011, 07:29 AM
Both of you have incredible talent, and I wish you the best of luck at succeeding at your dreams. :)

BenC (formerly Ape-X)
02-17-2011, 07:38 AM
Thanks Ape-X.
I have tons of ideas for independent comics in my mind.

...but I love Black Widow.:)

Oh believe me, I wanna see you write Black Widow! I just want to be able to say - "I've been a fan of that creative team since their creator-owned book ______!"

rogerio
02-17-2011, 07:38 AM
Thanks I AM GROOT.

I Just forgot to mention my friend Ellis Carlos. He is the colorist.:)

Jef UK
02-17-2011, 08:05 AM
Since you're just setting up and excecuting a fight between Marvel characters, it's difficult to judge your writing chops. I have no real sense of story here or what you are capable of writing. So much of writing is world building that it's difficult to gather much from your glancing at another world already well established. It's well executed though. I'm not sure what you expect to get out of it beyond giving your friend some decent submisison materials.

rogerio
02-17-2011, 08:35 AM
Leno is my friend.

He did it for me because he know I am a huge fan of Black Widow.

...but lets see what happens.:)

rogerio
02-17-2011, 10:22 AM
My idea for a new Black Widow occurred to me shortly after the disappearance of Yelena Belova, a few years ago (hate you Brian Bendis!). In my opinion, the “mantle” of the Black Widow is something to be passed from one agent to another every time the current holder "falls”. In fact, I dare to go further. I think that there should be several Black Widows operating around the world. They would serve the Kremlin like the female spies used do do in the times of the former USSR, during the WWII and the “Cold War”.

Our idea for a new BW costume...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AOsthAB8lKM/TV10g_n8d3I/AAAAAAAAAjw/U-Fm011ZqNg/s1600/conceito.JPG
:)

Caley Tibbittz
02-17-2011, 12:00 PM
The art looks AMAZING. The writing is fine enough...

...but I hate collage flashbacks and I ESPECIALLY hate comics written with little caption boxes. It's used almost universally as a crutch to jam backstory and plot explanation into a story. Just because Frank Miller did it expertly in Year One doesn't mean every comics has to have. I skip past caption boxes as much as possible.

PLEASE try to put it in the dialogue, the staging, the action -- anything other than caption boxes. Look at Warren Ellis' books, or Preacher.

SteveFlack
02-17-2011, 12:09 PM
My idea for a new Black Widow occurred to me shortly after the disappearance of Yelena Belova, a few years ago (hate you Brian Bendis!). In my opinion, the “mantle” of the Black Widow is something to be passed from one agent to another every time the current holder "falls”. In fact, I dare to go further. I think that there should be several Black Widows operating around the world. They would serve the Kremlin like the female spies used do do in the times of the former USSR, during the WWII and the “Cold War”.

Our idea for a new BW costume...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AOsthAB8lKM/TV10g_n8d3I/AAAAAAAAAjw/U-Fm011ZqNg/s1600/conceito.JPG
:)

Interesting, but like I said, Marvel would never go anywhere near a new character, even if it is a new version of an old character, in an unsolicited pitch. Too many legal problems can come of it.

TheTravis!
02-17-2011, 12:11 PM
I would read the hell out of this as a creator-owned book. As a Black Widow book? Not really interested.

rogerio
02-17-2011, 12:14 PM
Steve, I am aware that Marvel policy is to not accept any unsolicited material.

I am just sharing my ideas and Leno's artwork.

But thanks, anyway.:)

capntightpants
02-17-2011, 12:20 PM
Steve, I am aware that Marvel policy is to not accept any unsolicited material.

I am just sharing my ideas and Leno's artwork.

But thanks, anyway.:)

I'd actually refrain from this too. If they ever come up with an idea similar to yours, independent of seeing your ideas, there is a lot of issues that can come of it.

And your concept of Black Widow can easily be transferred to a concept for a female espionage character, so I think you should just use this idea on your own character!

rogerio
02-17-2011, 12:56 PM
I'd actually refrain from this too. If they ever come up with an idea similar to yours, independent of seeing your ideas, there is a lot of issues that can come of it.

And your concept of Black Widow can easily be transferred to a concept for a female espionage character, so I think you should just use this idea on your own character!
capntightpants, as I said before, I have my own projects in the oven.

See my Black Widow tales as a tribute to my favorite character.:)

...but thank you for your advices.:)

Patch
02-17-2011, 05:51 PM
In my opinion, the “mantle” of the Black Widow is something to be passed from one agent to another every time the current holder "falls”. In fact, I dare to go further. I think that there should be several Black Widows operating around the world. They would serve the Kremlin like the female spies used do do in the times of the former USSR, during the WWII and the “Cold War”.

Our idea for a new BW costume...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AOsthAB8lKM/TV10g_n8d3I/AAAAAAAAAjw/U-Fm011ZqNg/s1600/conceito.JPG
:)
That's a terrific idea-- again, it would also be great for your own book, a network of female spies under one code name. Wish I'd have made a book like that-- and now I can't!

(and that black-haired Black Widow looks great)

michealdark
02-17-2011, 08:42 PM
See my Black Widow tales as a tribute to my favorite character.:)
You could write fanfiction if you're that into BW and then use this project as a way to do something new with those ideas.

(Says the guy who's biggest goal right now is to write Raven and Rose Wilson....)

rogerio
02-18-2011, 07:49 AM
That's a terrific idea-- again, it would also be great for your own book, a network of female spies under one code name. Wish I'd have made a book like that-- and now I can't!

(and that black-haired Black Widow looks great)

Thanks Mr. Patch, your opinion is very important for me. You are one of my favorite artists, ever.

I will post some new pages (Black Widow and my own stuff) very soon.

...and I am always waiting to see you drawing the Black Widow too.:)

Thanks Michaeldark and everybody!:D

tdaniel
02-20-2011, 12:15 PM
I was serious. This is a rough, both in idea and execution.
http://www.hiddenrobot.com/silkcover.jpg

Roman Noodles
02-20-2011, 12:20 PM
http://quizilla.teennick.com/user_images/I/IL/ILU/ILUVSONICSHADOW/1249140727_1993_full.jpeg

... oooooooooooooooooo.

michealdark
02-20-2011, 05:35 PM
Very nice. :)

dEnny!
02-20-2011, 05:47 PM
A few comments, Rogerio.
There are a million nuances to English, all of them creating a variety of attitudes and personalities. Even English and American writers strive to capture their intricacies. I don't envy your approaching this from a second-language perspective.
Second, and a lot of writers do this unfortunately, avoid collages when telling backstory. They are old-fashioned, uninvolving, unexciting. They keep your reader from 'feeling' it. Try to tell backstory just as you would your main story, moment to moment.
Don't strive to be a solid Marvel or DC book, strive to be more exciting and surprising than a solid Marvel or DC book.

As far as the art, keep showing that guy's stuff around and he's a phone call from getting 'poached'. The two of you should make your own spy book, even if it's a sleek female spy. There were sleek, female spies before Black Widow, there can be some after-- this also frees you up to tell the story any way you want to, give the character any qualities you want.

Personally, I don't mind collages to tell back story. I mean don't do it all the time, but if it works it works you know.

I agree with your points, but thought overall the guy did a pretty solid job. He had a nice flow to the story, which is more than I can say for a few comics I've read.

dEnny!
02-20-2011, 05:50 PM
I was serious. This is a rough, both in idea and execution.
http://www.hiddenrobot.com/silkcover.jpg

I like it and think Rogerio should consider making this a creator-owned title. I like Silk, not in love with the acronym, but as Patch and others have pointed out you could easily dump the Black Widow/Marvel aspect and make this your own thing. You have an artist, nothing would stop you all.

ever_seeking
02-20-2011, 07:15 PM
Yes. Focus on creator owned right now and worry about Marvel later.

Lineofdeath2
02-20-2011, 07:44 PM
Great work.
As other posters have said, re-purpose it for a creator-owned book.

rogerio
02-23-2011, 01:28 PM
I just noticed tdaniel post.
Very cool:cool:

rogerio
02-23-2011, 01:50 PM
I like it and think Rogerio should consider making this a creator-owned title. I like Silk, not in love with the acronym, but as Patch and others have pointed out you could easily dump the Black Widow/Marvel aspect and make this your own thing. You have an artist, nothing would stop you all.
Thanks dEnny.
I have great ideas for russian girls.:)

tdaniel
02-23-2011, 07:26 PM
Let's get to work! :)

zakuraba
02-23-2011, 08:09 PM
The artwork is PHENOMENAL, and I really like the concept of the "Black Widow" title, or any moniker for that matter, being a code name for specific covert agents around the world. Good stuff.

JJ Fresh
02-23-2011, 08:19 PM
Well done Rogerio, I applaud your efforts.

The Black Widow moniker for multiple people has been toyed around with before in Marvel continuity. There is Natasha and Yelena, but in Greg Rucka and Igor Kordey's mini-series "Pale Little Spider" it discussed the idea of bringing in another Russian Widow agent as a replacement. Sadly, this was a MAX mini-series, so that continuity might just get shuffled away. Still, I like the idea of Black Widow being a legacy character, especially since spy stuff can stretch throughout history.

rogerio
02-24-2011, 06:13 AM
Thanks JJ and zakuraba.

tdaniel, I am talking to Leno, right now.:)

TheNatureRoy
02-24-2011, 08:33 AM
As has already been said many times in this thread, take the ideas and make them your very own.

I think that as you really develop your own characters, you're going to find you love your version of the female Russian spy better than Marvel's anyway. No limits and you're not stuck with any Marvel Universe constraints or continuity that doesn't jive with your vision.

Anyway, you do that well enough and Marvel just might take notice and want you to write Black Widow. And if you do it exceptionally well, you might not even want to at that point.

tdaniel
02-24-2011, 10:06 AM
we are on our way!


As has already been said many times in this thread, take the ideas and make them your very own.

I think that as you really develop your own characters, you're going to find you love your version of the female Russian spy better than Marvel's anyway. No limits and you're not stuck with any Marvel Universe constraints or continuity that doesn't jive with your vision.

Anyway, you do that well enough and Marvel just might take notice and want you to write Black Widow. And if you do it exceptionally well, you might not even want to at that point.

Marcdachamp
02-24-2011, 12:22 PM
Wow, I am insanely impressed. Seriously, great work, both of you.