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Gryphon
01-22-2011, 08:58 PM
That this was one of the most subversive works of all time.

Dante attacked the church as a whole and individually for their corruption. He also expressed views that must have been quite shocking. At one point he wonders why virtuous pagans are not allowed into heaven and while this is quickly cast aside, just saying that alone is noteworthy.

This many other things Dante said and wrote in this, such as showing sympathy for some of the damned and even admiring what soem fo them did in life while still admonishing their sins, just made me wonder why he wasnt condemmed as a heretic. His personal attacks must have incured the church's anger. This truly was as I said, a subversive work. I can only imagine what he would have written in today's age when the church's scandals are more known.

Silent G
01-23-2011, 05:39 AM
Yeah, not to mention he wasn't even supposed to be there that day.

Gryphon
01-23-2011, 09:06 AM
Hmmm?

Matt Doc Martin
01-23-2011, 09:09 AM
Yeah, not to mention he wasn't even supposed to be there that day.

I got the reference.

FanboyStranger
01-23-2011, 07:37 PM
That this was one of the most subversive works of all time.

Dante attacked the church as a whole and individually for their corruption. He also expressed views that must have been quite shocking. At one point he wonders why virtuous pagans are not allowed into heaven and while this is quickly cast aside, just saying that alone is noteworthy.

This many other things Dante said and wrote in this, such as showing sympathy for some of the damned and even admiring what soem fo them did in life while still admonishing their sins, just made me wonder why he wasnt condemmed as a heretic. His personal attacks must have incured the church's anger. This truly was as I said, a subversive work. I can only imagine what he would have written in today's age when the church's scandals are more known.

Divine Comedy was massively subversive, but it was also written in a period where the singular power of the Catholic Chruch was threatened by the power of the Holy Roman Empire. As an exile from Florence, Dante had the protection of the Emperor, which enabled him to write in relative freedom. That said, nothing in The Divine Comedy would be considered heresy in a technical sense (meaning opposed to accepted Catholic dogma), so the Church had no recourse but to let its distasteful depiction slide, particularly when it proved so popular. Later, it would be become an unofficial cornerstone of the Christianity.

I'll get back to this when I have more time (and am sober).

FanboyStranger
01-23-2011, 07:38 PM
Yeah, not to mention he wasn't even supposed to be there that day.

"Bunch of savages in this town."

Gryphon
01-23-2011, 07:39 PM
Yeah, not to mention he wasn't even supposed to be there that day.

Oh, Clerks.

McIntyre
01-23-2011, 07:57 PM
Yeah, there were lots of literary figures who did have differing views on religion and politics and didn't get executed. Some of them were lucky enough to have a liberal enough Pope/King (Or in Michelangelo's case, friends with one), or just were lucky enough to have a strong opponent backing them.