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R0cketFr0g
01-04-2011, 01:58 AM
Scalia: Women Don't Have Constitutional Protection Against Discrimination (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/scalia-women-discrimination-constitution_n_803813.html)

WASHINGTON -- The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not protect against discrimination on the basis of gender or sexual orientation, according to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

In a newly published interview in the legal magazine California Lawyer, Scalia said that while the Constitution does not disallow the passage of legislation outlawing such discrimination, it doesn't itself outlaw that behavior:

In 1868, when the 39th Congress was debating and ultimately proposing the 14th Amendment, I don't think anybody would have thought that equal protection applied to sex discrimination, or certainly not to sexual orientation. So does that mean that we've gone off in error by applying the 14th Amendment to both?

Yes, yes. Sorry, to tell you that. ... But, you know, if indeed the current society has come to different views, that's fine. You do not need the Constitution to reflect the wishes of the current society. Certainly the Constitution does not require discrimination on the basis of sex. The only issue is whether it prohibits it. It doesn't. Nobody ever thought that that's what it meant. Nobody ever voted for that. If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex, hey we have things called legislatures, and they enact things called laws. You don't need a constitution to keep things up-to-date. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box. You don't like the death penalty anymore, that's fine. You want a right to abortion? There's nothing in the Constitution about that. But that doesn't mean you cannot prohibit it. Persuade your fellow citizens it's a good idea and pass a law. That's what democracy is all about. It's not about nine superannuated judges who have been there too long, imposing these demands on society.

For the record, the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause states: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." That would seem to include protection against exactly the kind of discrimination to which Scalia referred.

Marcia Greenberger, founder and co-president of the National Women's Law Center, called the justice's comments "shocking" and said he was essentially saying that if the government sanctions discrimination against women, the judiciary offers no recourse.

"In these comments, Justice Scalia says if Congress wants to protect laws that prohibit sex discrimination, that's up to them," she said. "But what if they want to pass laws that discriminate? Then he says that there's nothing the court will do to protect women from government-sanctioned discrimination against them. And that's a pretty shocking position to take in 2011. It's especially shocking in light of the decades of precedents and the numbers of justices who have agreed that there is protection in the 14th Amendment against sex discrimination, and struck down many, many laws in many, many areas on the basis of that protection."

Greenberger added that under Scalia's doctrine, women could be legally barred from juries, paid less by the government, receive fewer benefits in the armed forces, and be excluded from state-run schools -- all things that have happened in the past, before their rights to equal protection were enforced.

Brother Power the Gong
01-04-2011, 05:24 AM
Truly, one of the greatest legal minds of the 19th century.

artimoff
01-04-2011, 05:40 AM
I see exactly what he means.

Foolish Mortal
01-04-2011, 06:28 AM
Well obviously the way he answered this question is tied to Gay Rights. He's trying to come up with an excuse for why he's going to decide against Gays having the right to marriage when the argument comes to the Supreme Court.

But in his statement, he throws women under the bus too.

The guy is an ass-backwards neanderthal.

Gregory
01-04-2011, 06:38 AM
I think his notion of a free-market democracy -- pass any law if you can cobble the votes -- compromises his perception of a document that makes legal concrete of philosophical fundamentals.

Generic Poster
01-04-2011, 06:52 AM
I think his notion of a free-market democracy -- pass any law if you can cobble the votes -- compromises his perception of a document that makes legal concrete of philosophical fundamentals.

I now hear all your posts in Walter Bishop voice.

Scaramouche
01-04-2011, 08:37 AM
Well obviously the way he answered this question is tied to Gay Rights. He's trying to come up with an excuse for why he's going to decide against Gays having the right to marriage when the argument comes to the Supreme Court.

But in his statement, he throws women under the bus too.

The guy is an ass-backwards neanderthal.
Exactly.

I'd love to hear Sarah Palin's thoughts on this. For a good laugh, if nothing else.

RebootedCorpse
01-04-2011, 08:56 AM
Now, on to slavery!

R0cketFr0g
01-04-2011, 09:10 AM
Exactly.

I'd love to hear Sarah Palin's thoughts on this. For a good laugh, if nothing else.

Amend a what now?

There you go.

mario
01-04-2011, 09:21 AM
Exactly.

I'd love to hear Sarah Palin's thoughts on this. For a good laugh, if nothing else.

There are no such things!