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HOOKS
12-20-2010, 06:46 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs714.snc4/63459_483850137487_6883542487_5727385_6486203_n.jp g

Any guesses? I'd read a book called FANTASY FOOTBALL by this team, but I doubt this is it.

Gregory
12-20-2010, 06:48 AM
Well, that's interesting.

Marvel actually piqued my curiosity with a mysterious solicitation.

Foolish Mortal
12-20-2010, 06:49 AM
I'm guessing either a Fantastic Four reboot, a second Fantastic Four series, or a mini-series.

SidekicksRevenge
12-20-2010, 06:52 AM
We don't think that, given "The Architects" and the teaser campaign followed by Brevoort saying that the next thing was going to be seriously huge in scope, that one of those F's doesn't stand for fear?

Doug
12-20-2010, 06:53 AM
Shouldn't Finger Fucking be a MAX title?

Brother Power the Gong
12-20-2010, 06:54 AM
Basically, the original Fantastic Four consisted of Plato, Confucius, King Arthur and N'Kantu, who fought for the betterment of mankind, but were unknowingly working for Kang.

mitchymitchymitchy
12-20-2010, 06:59 AM
My guess: "Fantastic Family" and it's the Thing who dies making the Richards/Storm core family "And not their creepy rock-friend" on the team.

Marcdachamp
12-20-2010, 07:01 AM
My guess: "Fantastic Family" and it's the Thing who dies making the Richards/Storm core family "And not their creepy rock-friend" on the team.

I think Ben's the only "safe" one on the team.

rogerio
12-20-2010, 07:02 AM
Interesting...:cool:

Cth
12-20-2010, 07:02 AM
Given how superheroes have been going the corporate route lately.

Fantastic Foundation

HOOKS
12-20-2010, 07:07 AM
Given how superheroes have been going the corporate route lately.

Fantastic Foundation

That was my thinking as well for the title, and fits with the direction of the title thus far. It also sounds much more sciencey.

It would also get rid of the need for there to just be the Richards/Storm/Grimm dynamic for the team. Other characters could be brought in depending on the mission.

Pat Loika
12-20-2010, 07:08 AM
Fantastic Force?!

SidekicksRevenge
12-20-2010, 07:10 AM
Second guess, if "fear" isn't one of the F's, is that this isn't a comic at all. It's just that in March, Epting and Hickman are finally going to tell Matt Fraction how they feel about him.

TIP
12-20-2010, 07:12 AM
Fly Finally!
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050529042743/marveldatabase/images/thumb/e/ea/Human_Fly_001.jpg/200px-Human_Fly_001.jpg

SteveFlack
12-20-2010, 07:13 AM
I'm pretty sure the title of the book isn't an abbreviation, but rather a word. So, when I go to the comic book store for it, I'm going to make sure to ask for "fffffffff".

MercX
12-20-2010, 07:15 AM
It really is that simple.

Hickman. Epting. Final Fantasy.

Jason Baur
12-20-2010, 07:17 AM
Tom Brevoort has confirmed Fantastic Four ends with #588 (Formspring link here (http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort/q/1851407894)), so this is clearly the replacement/reboot/relauch/rewhatever.

We may hear more about what precisely "FF" will now stand for (if anything) at the press conference tomorrow.

Dark Sasha
12-20-2010, 07:18 AM
December 2011!
FF #600!!!

Back to regular numbers!

Jason Baur
12-20-2010, 07:20 AM
December 2011! February 2012
FF #600!!!

Back to regular numbers!

That seems like the obvious plan, yes.

Cth
12-20-2010, 07:46 AM
Now, let's talk about the imagery..

3 hexagons. 2 solid, 1 hollow.

Hints? Invisible Woman = Hollow?

Black Panther joins the Furry Friends alongside White Wolf and White Tiger?

Hexagon = 720 angles / 4 = 180 degrees?

Internal angle = 120 degrees. .: 3 Hexagons = 360 degrees

The debut is one month prior to the April event "April Fears" -- related?

Obviously, bee hive imagery.

Hickman and Epting are huge Hexic fans?

COINCIDENCE:
FF film being rebooted by Jonah HEX producer.

Ben Grimm's skin sometimes resembles hexes.

MayorMitch100
12-20-2010, 08:24 AM
What's that thing Reed started? The Future Foundation?

Dark Sasha
12-20-2010, 08:26 AM
What's that thing Reed started? The Future Foundation?

I believe it was called the Human Fund.

thatguyfromsyracuse
12-20-2010, 08:28 AM
What's that thing Reed started? The Future Foundation?

That would make sense.

MayorMitch100
12-20-2010, 08:29 AM
I believe it was called the Human Fund.

you sure?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101008005828/marveldatabase/images/7/77/Future_Foundation_0001.jpg

Slewo.O
12-20-2010, 08:31 AM
They said FF would become Fantastic Three. I guess this is it.

Edit: Future Foundation seems good

JHickman
12-20-2010, 08:31 AM
BTW, this isn't my 'new secret project' or whatever was in that architects announcement.

And Finger Fucking should be a max title.

MayorMitch100
12-20-2010, 08:32 AM
BTW, this isn't my 'new secret project' or whatever was in that architects announcement.

And Finger Fucking should be a max title.

Is your new secret project Finger Fucking?

Slewo.O
12-20-2010, 08:32 AM
you sure?


Blasphemy Sasha knows everything. It ain't the future foundation.

BTW, this isn't my 'new secret project' or whatever was in that architects announcement.

And Finger Fucking should be a max title.

Why can't it be a MU title?

thatguyfromsyracuse
12-20-2010, 08:33 AM
Finger Fucking should just be Marvels first ever porno magazine.

Slewo.O
12-20-2010, 08:33 AM
Is your new secret project Finger Fucking?

Finger Fucking was a technique invented by Issac Newton to make Nostradamus, who in his 500 years of imprisonment had not touched a woman, spill his secrets.

russw
12-20-2010, 09:12 AM
I'm pretty sure the title of the book isn't an abbreviation, but rather a word. So, when I go to the comic book store for it, I'm going to make sure to ask for "fffffffff".

say it, don't spray it

Artie Pink
12-20-2010, 09:17 AM
Fantastic Family.

Howlett
12-20-2010, 09:33 AM
Now, let's talk about the imagery..

3 hexagons. 2 solid, 1 hollow.

Hints? Invisible Woman = Hollow?

Black Panther joins the Furry Friends alongside White Wolf and White Tiger?

Hexagon = 720 angles / 4 = 180 degrees?

Internal angle = 120 degrees. .: 3 Hexagons = 360 degrees

The debut is one month prior to the April event "April Fears" -- related?

Obviously, bee hive imagery.

Hickman and Epting are huge Hexic fans?

COINCIDENCE:
FF film being rebooted by Jonah HEX producer.

Ben Grimm's skin sometimes resembles hexes.
You just made my brain bleed :dazed:


And Finger Fucking should be a max title.
Paging Mark Millar!

Mark Millar to the Marvel MAX offices!

RoShambo
12-20-2010, 09:33 AM
Hickman and Epting are huge Hexic fans?


WOO!!
I love that game on my Zune!

Cth
12-20-2010, 09:42 AM
BTW, this isn't my 'new secret project' or whatever was in that architects announcement.

And Finger Fucking should be a max title.

Can't wait to see that one shelved next to CLINT on the magazine stand :D

Brother Power the Gong
12-20-2010, 10:03 AM
Paging Mark Millar!

Mark Millar to the Marvel MAX offices!

Well, then it will be a movie — and I'm sure that title has been taken. Don't wanna google that from work though. :scared:

allanpat
12-20-2010, 10:44 AM
I'm guessing the 'invisible' hexagon means invisible woman makes it out alive?

hamgravy
12-20-2010, 10:49 AM
I'm guessing the 'invisible' hexagon means invisible woman makes it out alive?

And the memory of Ben's hexagonal hide is what holds them together.

MayorMitch100
12-20-2010, 11:02 AM
And the memory of Ben's hexagonal hide is what holds them together.

No. The last thing Johnny did before he died was weld them all together.

hamgravy
12-20-2010, 11:04 AM
No. The last thing Johnny did before he died was weld them all together.

With rubbery Reed gunk.

David Aspmo
12-20-2010, 11:09 AM
December 2011!
FF #600!!!

Back to regular numbers!
I'd rather they just kept the regular numbering in the indicia, even if the cover says #1.

Cth
12-20-2010, 11:10 AM
Conjoined twins Franklin and Valeria absorb the third Richards triplet (Valerie) and grow up to form Fantastic Fetuses (Feti?)

Doug
12-20-2010, 11:12 AM
Finally, a series about Ben Grimm's Fantasy Football league.

Fury seems to win every year, but this feels like Ben's year.

Xorn
12-20-2010, 11:25 AM
fantastic five. valeria and franklin become full fledged members and substitute the one lost member

WhindamPryce
12-20-2010, 11:32 AM
I'm pretty sure it's just going to be called Fantastic Four. Even with a dead member it's too recognizable of a brand name to suddenly start calling it Fantastic Three or something. They'll just add a new member and take it from there.

Either way, whatever it's called, it's written by Hickman so I'm there (even though I haven't been so hot on 1 or 2 plot developments in his run so far). :thumb:

Foolish Mortal
12-22-2010, 07:40 AM
From the Marvel solicitations for March...

FF #1

Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN Pencils by STEVE EPTING Cover by DANIEL ACU. A Variant Cover by STEVE EPTING Blank Variant Cover Character Variant Cover by MARKO DJURDJEVIC Classic Artist Variant Cover by TBA Fantastic Four 50th Anniversary Variant by MARKO DJURDJEVIC

It's the FANTASTIC first issue of FF! A bold new direction for Marvel's First Family featuring new members, old friends, older enemies and uneasy alliances that will send shockwaves through the Marvel Universe. With stunning art work by Steve Epting and Paul Mounts, please join writer, Jonathan Hickman, on the second massive arc in the bold new direction for the 'World's Greatest Comic"

32 pages, $3.99.

Spidey616
02-09-2011, 09:52 AM
It's official!

Seems like Spidey is on almost as many teams as Wolverine ;)

Spider-Man Joins the FF (http://marvel.com/news/story/15170/spider-man_joins_the_ff)

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/e/03/4d52c27960865/detail.jpg

DAVE
02-09-2011, 09:55 AM
It's official!

Seems like Spidey is on almost as many teams as Wolverine ;)

Spider-Man Joins the FF (http://marvel.com/news/story/15170/spider-man_joins_the_ff)

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/e/03/4d52c27960865/detail.jpg

Those are awesome looking!!!

Foolish Mortal
02-09-2011, 09:55 AM
I have a feeling Spidey on the team is going to be very short-term.

I AM GROOT!
02-09-2011, 09:56 AM
Not completely surprised by the inclusion of Spider-Man, but I'm still extremely psyched for what Hickman has planned (also looks like all of the supporting characters, such as Alex Powers, Leech, and Dragon Man, are still around, too).

SteveFlack
02-09-2011, 09:57 AM
It's official!

Seems like Spidey is on almost as many teams as Wolverine ;)

Spider-Man Joins the FF (http://marvel.com/news/story/15170/spider-man_joins_the_ff)

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/e/03/4d52c27960865/detail.jpg

I think Ben has to take a number 2.

NickT
02-09-2011, 09:59 AM
I like it, the new #1 comes with a new direction.

chazbot
02-09-2011, 09:59 AM
I think Ben has to take a number 2.

He's not pleased with having to wear more than short shorts as a costume.

DAVE
02-09-2011, 10:00 AM
I wonder what the significance of the 3 hexagons are.

Kurt Russell Crowe
02-09-2011, 10:01 AM
I like the looks of those

Brother Power the Gong
02-09-2011, 10:04 AM
I wonder what the significance of the 3 hexagrams are.

Reed, Ben and Sue?

Xorn
02-09-2011, 10:04 AM
i like that spidey costume

DAVE
02-09-2011, 10:08 AM
Reed, Ben and Sue?

Okay, but why if there's a 4th member? Why 6 sided objects? Hickman takes design pretty seriously, so I doubt the hexagon was chosen arbitrarily.

Spidey616
02-09-2011, 10:08 AM
Wonder if Spidey will be sporting this costume from that Marcos Martin cover

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l66mcknsce1qz5y5go1_500.jpg

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 10:11 AM
I understand the need to distinguish Spider-man and keep elements of his iconic design but the result seems less uniform and, without the hexagons, like he's not really a part of the team.

Cool design on its own though.

And, not really liking the bands on Sue's suit that make her look like she's wearing thigh-high boots and Barbarella top/panties.

DAVE
02-09-2011, 10:12 AM
I understand the need to distinguish Spider-man and keep elements of his iconic design but the result seems less uniform and, without the hexagons, like he's not really a part of the team.

Cool design on its own though.

And, not really liking the bands on Sue's suit that make her look like she's wearing thigh-high boots and Barbarella top/panties.

The spider looks like its made of a couple hexes, though.

Kedd
02-09-2011, 10:13 AM
I like those looks. emblem looks interesting. I kind of hoped for a rotating fourth spot on the team that would cycle new/temporary membrs in and out during arcs.

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 10:13 AM
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/182476_10150097757137488_6883542487_6153432_574734 3_n-1.jpg

Brother Power the Gong
02-09-2011, 10:14 AM
Okay, but why if there's a 4th member? Why 6 sided objects? Hickman takes design pretty seriously, so I doubt the hexagon was chosen arbitrarily.

Yeah, I'm just guessing that the six sides refer to Reed, Sue, Johnny, Ben, Valeria and Franklin. The family as a whole, and the usage of three hexes speaks to the family as it is.

But, yeah, Hickman's gonna have it mean something far deeper.

NickT
02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
I like those looks. emblem looks interesting. I kind of hoped for a rotating fourth spot on the team that would cycle new/temporary membrs in and out during arcs.
Still possible, I could imagine Spidey leaving before the FF storyline ends.

DAVE
02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
Maybe the new book will be called Fantastic Family, or something like that.

AndrewG
02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
I love it. My favorite Marvel book and one of my 2 or 3 favorite comics right now, period. I love how Hickman writers Spider-Man, too so that's a bonus. Hopefully some of the folks who helped make this book #1 last month with the death speculation stick around.

Evan the Shaggy
02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
I like those looks. emblem looks interesting. I kind of hoped for a rotating fourth spot on the team that would cycle new/temporary membrs in and out during arcs.

Thats still a possibility.

But this feels right. Spidey makes more sense on the FF than the Avengers in my mind.

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
The spider looks like its made of a couple hexes, though.

True - but I would still prefer to see his design as following a sequence like the other 3.

Would also help to buy him as a regular part of the team if that's the case.

DAVE
02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
Yeah, I'm just guessing that the six sides refer to Reed, Sue, Johnny, Ben, Valeria and Franklin. The family as a whole, and the usage of three hexes speaks to the family as it is.

But, yeah, Hickman's gonna have it mean something far deeper.

That works!

Foolish Mortal
02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
Okay, but why if there's a 4th member? Why 6 sided objects? Hickman takes design pretty seriously, so I doubt the hexagon was chosen arbitrarily.


I understand the need to distinguish Spider-man and keep elements of his iconic design but the result seems less uniform and, without the hexagons, like he's not really a part of the team.
Perhaps the three hexagons is to acknowledge that one of their members is gone. And that Spidey is not "replacing" Johnny, he's just a new member of the team.

Evan the Shaggy
02-09-2011, 10:15 AM
Maybe the new book will be called Fantastic Family, or something like that.

I'm betting "Future Foundation" but Fantastic Family works too.

Ryudo
02-09-2011, 10:16 AM
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/182476_10150097757137488_6883542487_6153432_574734 3_n-1.jpg

:drool:

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 10:16 AM
Maybe the new book will be called Fantastic Family, or something like that.

I think FF will be the name of the book and = Future Foundation as per the Marvel Timeline.

DAVE
02-09-2011, 10:16 AM
True - but I would still prefer to see his design as following a sequence like the other 3.

Would also help to buy him as a regular part of the team if that's the case.

He looks more a part of the team than the flame on'ed Torch did, though.

jason hissong
02-09-2011, 10:17 AM
Perhaps the three hexagons is to acknowledge that one of their members is gone. And that Spidey is not "replacing" Johnny, he's just a new member of the team.

Right. Because he doesn't have the hexagons on his uni. He's just whiteout on his usual.

DAVE
02-09-2011, 10:17 AM
I'm betting "Future Foundation" but Fantastic Family works too.


I think FF will be the name of the book and = Future Foundation as per the Marvel Timeline.

Ah! That's probably right. :)

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 10:18 AM
All said - cheers to a bold re-interpretation.

SteveFlack
02-09-2011, 10:20 AM
I'm pretty sure the name of the books is pronounced "Fffffffff".

Brother Power the Gong
02-09-2011, 10:20 AM
Perhaps the three hexagons is to acknowledge that one of their members is gone. And that Spidey is not "replacing" Johnny, he's just a new member of the team.

That's exactly what I was thinking.


While I think it's appropriate to have Spidey round out the team, I think I would be more jazzed if the opening was given to someone more out there (like when Luke Cage or, most notably, She Hulk took the spot). But, you know, I'm still buying it. With gusto.

Cth
02-09-2011, 10:21 AM
Also, and this is stretching (ha.. get it?)..

When people mourn, they traditionally wear black.. but they're the FF and hopeful, and wearing white is a strong statement to make, if it was intended.

If Hickman's watching and is willing to say if that was intentional or not, that'd be cool :)

The Dean
02-09-2011, 10:31 AM
Hickman's run has been, well, fantastic.

I'm never keen loosing a main character but this story has been so well done and this change seems like a natural progression- where as a lot of other "deaths" seem to arbitrary and the progression seems forced.

As for Spidey joining, I think that's a great move. He was one of the first to try to join and bringing him back is a great nod to the Stan and Jack years.

Personally, I think the fourth "slot" will be a revolving door and other heroes are brought in to fill a role as needed. Reed will probably view it like a formula, where you need X to solve an equation, you need X character to solve a problem. That X could be Medusa, Spidey, Wyatt Wingfoot, Blue Shield, or even an antagonist like Doom or High Evolutionary.

Kedd
02-09-2011, 10:31 AM
Still possible, I could imagine Spidey leaving before the FF storyline ends.
I'm interested in seeing how this is handled. Should be fun.


Also, and this is stretching (ha.. get it?)..

When people mourn, they traditionally wear black.. but they're the FF and hopeful, and wearing white is a strong statement to make, if it was intended.

If Hickman's watching and is willing to say if that was intentional or not, that'd be cool :)
I'm wondering at what point this series will pick up after 587.

Foolish Mortal
02-09-2011, 10:40 AM
That's exactly what I was thinking.


While I think it's appropriate to have Spidey round out the team, I think I would be more jazzed if the opening was given to someone more out there (like when Luke Cage or, most notably, She Hulk took the spot). But, you know, I'm still buying it. With gusto.
Well they still have Ben so they don't really need another strongarm.

I was kinda thinking Quasar would be a funny add-on. Especially after what Johnny said in FF #520. :lol:

http://i55.tinypic.com/34pl8a8.jpg

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 10:42 AM
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/1297277436.jpg

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 10:44 AM
There will be parrots!

Now, THIS, is what I was hoping for. This Acuña cover has all the jazzy life and future flow of energy I wasn't finding in the Epting cover or costume model sheet.

I can only hope that the interiors are as exciting and eclectic as this image. Post it up, it's the bar to hit on every page and every issue.

Parrots and dragons and kids and floating heads!!!

DAVE
02-09-2011, 10:46 AM
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/1297277436.jpg

Wow, that just made me giggle out loud.

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 10:47 AM
Wow, that just made me giggle out loud.

Ditto.

(nitpick - gah, I wish he had Spidey's right foot bleed off the page and then the image would be perfect)

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
02-09-2011, 10:51 AM
I understand the need to distinguish Spider-man and keep elements of his iconic design but the result seems less uniform and, without the hexagons, like he's not really a part of the team.

Cool design on its own though.

And, not really liking the bands on Sue's suit that make her look like she's wearing thigh-high boots and Barbarella top/panties.

Or the big cock and balls on Reed's chest that are pointing down to his... cock and balls? :D

Dr. Chaos
02-09-2011, 10:57 AM
First Julia Carpenter's costume and now Eddie Brock's.

For shame, Spider-Man. :no:

Cth
02-09-2011, 10:59 AM
First Julia Carpenter's costume and now Eddie Brock's.

For shame, Spider-Man. :no:

Wait for the Composite Spider-Man team up :D

jason hissong
02-09-2011, 11:01 AM
Their logos are different. Different shading for each of them.

DAVE
02-09-2011, 11:05 AM
Ditto.

(nitpick - gah, I wish he had Spidey's right foot bleed off the page and then the image would be perfect)

I know what you're saying from a design viewpoint, but then again, the foreshortening on that leg is absolutely perfect.

andrew french
02-09-2011, 11:06 AM
oh, man! Those costumes are incredible! I'll be reading this

information
02-09-2011, 11:06 AM
http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/e/03/4d52c27960865/detail.jpg

Yikes.

It's amazing to me there are still really, really good artists who draw the Thing like he's a muscle man with rocky-textured skin.

He's a rock monster, people!

batroc the leaper
02-09-2011, 11:08 AM
oh.

boy.

The Dean
02-09-2011, 11:10 AM
I think I would only like this more is if the black were blue instead.

Ryudo
02-09-2011, 11:13 AM
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/1297277436.jpg

Happy happy joy joy

Cth
02-09-2011, 11:15 AM
Here's hoping we get a crossover with Miranda from Mass Effect 2 :)

SpecialK
02-09-2011, 11:19 AM
I can't wait for issue 12 then issue 600!

Future numbering-issues aside, I'm on board.

Ben
02-09-2011, 11:19 AM
Won't this conflict with the non-complete clause in Spidey's Avengers contract?

Artie Pink
02-09-2011, 11:20 AM
White Lantern FF

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 11:27 AM
Or the big cock and balls on Reed's chest that are pointing down to his... cock and balls? :D

Hah - this one's a boy and this one's a girl.


I think I would only like this more is if the black were blue instead.

Ditto - or, a silver and white combo to keep with the futuristic vibe. The black on white runs the risk of just looking like a drawing in the wrong hands.

And, not to harsh on it too much but the lines and bands just seem like clutter and compete with what could have been a really sleek suit.

The Dean
02-09-2011, 11:31 AM
Won't this conflict with the non-complete clause in Spidey's Avengers contract?

Wolverine ignores his and besides, since Spidey isn't getting paid, they can't enforce a condition of employment.

John M. Coker (Johnny C.)
02-09-2011, 11:34 AM
And, not to harsh on it too much but the lines and bands just seem like clutter and compete with what could have been a really sleek suit.

Although I did just notice in the Acuna cover that the lines on Reed's lower torso form two Fs. Intentional or not, that's kinda cool.

Kedd
02-09-2011, 11:39 AM
Won't this conflict with the non-complete clause in Spidey's Avengers contract?
Not if it's Ben Reilly.

Dark Sasha
02-09-2011, 11:39 AM
Wait a minute wait a minute, so they kill one of them and now they get awesome costumes?

Was he the one holding them back?

Cth
02-09-2011, 11:42 AM
Wait a minute wait a minute, so they kill one of them and now they get awesome costumes?

Reed died, and Sue got an awesome costume.

HOOKS
02-09-2011, 12:16 PM
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/1297277436.jpg

I want a poster yesterday.

HOOKS
02-09-2011, 12:21 PM
Their logos are different. Different shading for each of them.

I also noticed that Reed's white hexagon points to his head, while Sue's points to her heart. Ben's is towards the right side of his body, and this is a stretch, but it may be because he may be considered a right-brain kind of guy (spontaneous, less analytical, goes by feelings).

The Dean
02-09-2011, 12:22 PM
I also noticed that Reed's white hexagon points to his head, while Sue's points to her heart. Ben's is towards the right side of his body, and this is a stretch, but it may be because he may be considered a right-brain kind of guy (spontaneous, less analytical, goes by feelings).

Maybe because he's the most "grounded."

Kedd
02-09-2011, 12:22 PM
I also noticed that Reed's white hexagon points to his head, while Sue's points to her heart. Ben's is towards the right side of his body, and this is a stretch, but it may be because he may be considered a right-brain kind of guy (spontaneous, less analytical, goes by feelings).
Val's is all colored in and Franklin's is all white. I think that means Val is the best all around and Franklin is a racist.

Cth
02-09-2011, 12:25 PM
Nice catch HOOKS.. and Franklin's solid as well. All the kids are it seems.

HOOKS
02-09-2011, 12:28 PM
By the way, guys, the FF title officially refers to the Future Foundation.

I know this because I read the press release (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/spider-man-ff-march-110209.html).


MARVEL’S FIRST FAMILY SPINS NEW WEB – SPIDER-MAN JOINS THE FF!
March’s FF #1 Launches Star Studded New Super Hero Team

New York, NY – February 9, 2011— There is no more Fantastic Four, so just what is the FF? This March, the superstar creative team of Jonathan Hickman and Steve Epting present the over-sized FF #1, introducing the biggest new super hero team of the century! After the death of the Human Torch, the surviving members of the Fantastic Four—Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman & Thing—join with Spider-Man and some top secret members to form an unstoppable force: The Future Foundation. Their mission is simple: save the Marvel Universe from its greatest threats and prevent future dangers from arising. But even with knowledge of what’s to come and one of the most powerful teams ever assembled, just what villainous force could stand in their way?

hamgravy
02-09-2011, 12:30 PM
I also noticed that Reed's white hexagon points to his head, while Sue's points to her heart. Ben's is towards the right side of his body, and this is a stretch, but it may be because he may be considered a right-brain kind of guy (spontaneous, less analytical, goes by feelings).

Cool analysis.

mario
02-09-2011, 12:33 PM
Happy happy joy joy

Yeah! Mourning? What's this thing called mourning?

dougmac
02-09-2011, 06:29 PM
Yeah! Mourning? What's this thing called mourning?

another article, Sue looks really weird in the picture
http://www.hitfix.com/articles/spider-man-replacing-fallen-human-torch-in-the-fantastic-four

Spidey looks like a Fantomex or Deadpool alternate costume, I think the X Force ones but they might have been from something else

Jason Baur
02-09-2011, 07:10 PM
another article, Sue looks really weird in the picture
http://www.hitfix.com/articles/spider-man-replacing-fallen-human-torch-in-the-fantastic-four

Spidey looks like a Fantomex or Deadpool alternate costume, I think the X Force ones but they might have been from something else

She just looks really young. Like 14 young.

Lord Jermaine Retail
02-09-2011, 08:04 PM
I'm really excited about this. This could be a big thing for the Marvel Universe. I know some people here complained about Stark trying to make a new type of alternative fuel car available to the public, but that is kind of a big deal. I want to say that in that one Mark Gruenwald video where he was explaining how the Marvel Universe worked (which is great and you should watch it) he mentioned that all sorts of technologies like unstable molecules for example exist, but are not available to man-on-the-street. The Marvel Universe is essentially our universe plus super-heroes, mythological deities, the supernatural, super science, and other impossibilities. But what if Stark did get his car on the market, what if the FF did start making things better around the world in a tangible way? I think that opens up huge possibilities. Either having it work out and the Marvel universe changes in a significant way. Or by having it turn out that it is not meant for a few people to solve the world's problems. Or perhaps there are elements that do not want problems to be solved. Personally, I'd like to see the first story where technologies are upgraded and the presence of these very smart people start to improve life for mankind in areas where it is needed. And I'm looking forward to a variety of forward thinking characters to be involved. Not in an Illuminati way either, but in a different open source/ full disclosure way.

The thing I don't really like to think about is that it took the Torch not being there to make this possible. That's kinda bad. It's not that he was holding them back, but sometimes it takes something bad happening to make people get serious about something.

Adrian B AWESOME
02-09-2011, 08:06 PM
Love that people can still manage to be cynical after Hickman and Epting's proven track record of amazing work.

Roman Noodles
02-09-2011, 08:08 PM
By the way, guys, the FF title officially refers to the Future Foundation.

I know this because I read the press release (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/spider-man-ff-march-110209.html).


MARVEL’S FIRST FAMILY SPINS NEW WEB – SPIDER-MAN JOINS THE FF!
March’s FF #1 Launches Star Studded New Super Hero Team

New York, NY – February 9, 2011— There is no more Fantastic Four, so just what is the FF? This March, the superstar creative team of Jonathan Hickman and Steve Epting present the over-sized FF #1, introducing the biggest new super hero team of the century! After the death of the Human Torch, the surviving members of the Fantastic Four—Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman & Thing—join with Spider-Man and some top secret members to form an unstoppable force: The Future Foundation. Their mission is simple: save the Marvel Universe from its greatest threats and prevent future dangers from arising. But even with knowledge of what’s to come and one of the most powerful teams ever assembled, just what villainous force could stand in their way?

I've always been ambivalent about the Fantastic Four ... but this Future Foundation? Now THAT I am going to read the shit out of.

Dark Sasha
02-09-2011, 08:09 PM
I've always been ambivalent about the Fantastic Four ... but this Future Foundation? Now THAT I am going to read the shit out of.

It's the same thing, people!

Howlett
02-09-2011, 08:12 PM
Glad to finally see Spidey confirmed on the team. Kinda liking the new suits, though I'm still not 100% sold on them just yet. But still, they're decent looking so far. Looking forward to seeing Epting draw them.

All in all, can't wait for this :D

MayorMitch100
02-09-2011, 08:14 PM
I guess the obvious had to be said my Marvel at some point. But I am really really really looking forward to this. The Fantastic Four book hasn't been my favorite book in a long time and it finally is back up there.

Roman Noodles
02-09-2011, 08:15 PM
It's the same thing, people!

Yes, but with floating heads, aliens, the Power Pack and random parrots!!!

Dark Sasha
02-09-2011, 08:20 PM
I hate that stupid moleman head.

Slewo.O
02-09-2011, 08:26 PM
I hate that stupid moleman head.

We get it Sasha.

hamgravy
02-10-2011, 05:06 AM
It's the morning after and that Acuña cover still has me smiling.

I'm going to go and cook eggs for it.

hamgravy
02-10-2011, 05:20 AM
In case you missed it, here's the last piece of art/ interview associated with yesterday's press release.

I know the "villain joins the team of heroes" has been done to death in the X-Verse but this had me jonesing to see Doom sporting the hexagons in an all-white armor.

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt268/hamgravy_photos/ff-qa-with-jonathan-hickman-1297282397.jpg

HOOKS
02-17-2011, 06:28 AM
ADVANCE PREVIEW: FF #1

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30881

Ryudo
02-17-2011, 06:35 AM
ADVANCE PREVIEW: FF #1

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30881

want now want now want now...

I know Hickman doesn't necessarily have to go along with what the writers before him did, but in the "Epilogue" arc written by McDuffie, after Reed and Sue rejoin the team following their hiatus, they meet future-them, and Johnny is alive. They state in the story that that is their future, no ifs ands or buts.

So Johnny is coming back. But duh; everyone comes back somehow.

But I'm definitely coming along for the ride with Future Foundation.

Brother Power the Gong
02-17-2011, 06:36 AM
Looks great.

SpecialK
02-17-2011, 06:38 AM
want now want now want now...

I know Hickman doesn't necessarily have to go along with what the writers before him did, but in the "Epilogue" arc written by McDuffie, after Reed and Sue rejoin the team following their hiatus, they meet future-them, and Johnny is alive. They state in the story that that is their future, no ifs ands or buts.

So Johnny is coming back. But duh; everyone comes back somehow.

But I'm definitely coming along for the ride with Future Foundation.

How far ahead of a future were they from?

rogerio
02-17-2011, 06:38 AM
Epting is awesome.
I miss him drawing Captain America.:sad:

DAVE
02-17-2011, 06:38 AM
ADVANCE PREVIEW: FF #1

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30881

That shit with Johnny made me sad.

Ryudo
02-17-2011, 06:40 AM
How far ahead of a future were they from?

75 years.

They've got time. :lol:

Foolish Mortal
02-17-2011, 06:40 AM
That looks........*wait for it*.........Fantastic!

DAVE
02-17-2011, 06:41 AM
That looks........*wait for it*.........Future!

Fixed, to make up to date.

jason hissong
02-17-2011, 06:43 AM
Hell yes.

Foolish Mortal
02-17-2011, 06:45 AM
Fixed, to make up to date.

:mad:



:cool:

I AM GROOT!
02-17-2011, 07:42 AM
March can't come fast enough. :)

bartleby
02-22-2011, 05:17 AM
Just noticed that the new emblem looks very similar to the Prescott Pharmaceuticals (http://wikiality.wikia.com/Prescott_Pharmaceuticals).

Spidey616
02-24-2011, 07:27 PM
Variant for issue #1

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1102/24/ff1.jpg

artimoff
02-24-2011, 08:02 PM
Variant for issue #1

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1102/24/ff1.jpg

Love it.

Dr. Chaos
02-24-2011, 08:38 PM
Wasn't really interested in Hickman's FF run (nothing against him, just never cared about the team except for Grimm) but I'll be giving this shot since I'm a sucker for Spidey right now.

dougmac
02-24-2011, 08:39 PM
Love it.

me too

nick maynard
02-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Just noticed that the new emblem looks very similar to the Prescott Pharmaceuticals (http://wikiality.wikia.com/Prescott_Pharmaceuticals).

i actually think it's a lot more like the logo for the music program "reason".

http://www.tkshare.com/Image2/200911314315948477801.jpg

HOOKS
03-23-2011, 05:03 AM
It is out today!

Cth
03-23-2011, 06:21 AM
Bulletpoint spoilers have been posted on another board.. sounds great! Can't wait!

Supreme Convoy
03-24-2011, 10:11 PM
Man, I really love this issue.

My favorite moment? Alex Powers saying grace. It's so cool I may have to use that at dinner with mixed company :)

And in true Hickman fashion, I was amazed by the graphic design. I was easily wowed by the credits page and stared at that for minutes. Simple yet so cool. And I love "Better Days Done By: Stan Lee & Jack Kirby." Hickman, if you're reading this we need more charts in each issue!

CARSON
03-24-2011, 10:23 PM
Man, I really love this issue.

My favorite moment? Alex Powers saying grace. It's so cool I may have to use that at dinner with mixed company :)

And in true Hickman fashion, I was amazed by the graphic design. I was easily wowed by the credits page and stared at that for minutes. Simple yet so cool. And I love "Better Days Done By: Stan Lee & Jack Kirby." Hickman, if you're reading this we need more charts in each issue!

"...oh, right, or Mephisto" I really loved that scene too. couldn't agree more about the graphic design. Also, I was really pleasantly surprised by the costumes, particularly spidey's. The covers and promo images I had seen were leaving me cold, but Epting really made them work. I actually love them so much now.

artimoff
03-25-2011, 03:22 AM
Hickman needs to put a 4 page backup in every issue featuring one of the "kids". I really want to know Bently more.

Ben
03-25-2011, 04:06 AM
Hickman needs to put a 4 page backup in every issue featuring one of the "kids". I really want to know Bently more.http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/26/chris_hansen.jpg

The Human Target
03-25-2011, 08:23 AM
Having not read any of Hickman's run (and not much FF in general) I checked this out on account of it looking neat.

Thought it was great.

Now I wanna track down the rest of his run.

Supreme Convoy
03-25-2011, 09:41 AM
Having not read any of Hickman's run (and not much FF in general) I checked this out on account of it looking neat.

Thought it was great.

Now I wanna track down the rest of his run.

Enjoy. Even with his first Fantastic Four books with Dark Reign are great stuff.

HOOKS
04-13-2011, 11:33 AM
Top-seller in March!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31827

rogerio
04-13-2011, 12:23 PM
Top-seller in March!

great news but unfortunately Mr. Epting is not drawing issues #6-7!

FF #6 & #7
Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN
Pencils by GREG TOCCHINI
Covers by MARK BAGLEY
The Return of the King.
Black Bolt is back and is determined to reclaim his throne.
32 PGS. (each)/Rated T+ $2.99 (each)

HOOKS
04-13-2011, 12:45 PM
great news but unfortunately Mr. Epting is not drawing issues #6-7!

FF #6 & #7
Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN
Pencils by GREG TOCCHINI
Covers by MARK BAGLEY
The Return of the King.
Black Bolt is back and is determined to reclaim his throne.
32 PGS. (each)/Rated T+ $2.99 (each)

Tochinni is nothing less than excellent.

http://cdn.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_14545/subcat_30141/Greg%20Tocchini%20Dugeons%20and%20Dragons591.jpg

rogerio
04-13-2011, 12:50 PM
I am a huge fan of Tocchini's artwork but Steve Epting own this book.

KirbyKrackle
04-13-2011, 12:51 PM
I just read the first issue of FF. Probably one of the best first issues in a while for me.

Generic Poster
04-13-2011, 01:38 PM
great news but unfortunately Mr. Epting is not drawing issues #6-7!

FF #6 & #7
Written by JONATHAN HICKMAN
Pencils by GREG TOCCHINI
Covers by MARK BAGLEY
The Return of the King.
Black Bolt is back and is determined to reclaim his throne.
32 PGS. (each)/Rated T+ $2.99 (each)

Has Black Bolt already come back from the dead, or is that being detailed in FF?

SpecialK
04-27-2011, 11:39 AM
This is our only FF thread, right? Anyways, 2 is out today and it's good business.

Can someone remind me how Doom was brain-damaged?

Kedd
04-27-2011, 11:46 AM
This is our only FF thread, right? Anyways, 2 is out today and it's good business.

Can someone remind me how Doom was brain-damaged?

He got a bad dose at a Rave on his birthday. Ain't been right since.

Jason California
04-27-2011, 11:57 AM
He got a bad dose at a Rave on his birthday. Ain't been right since.


He should have been smarter than that.

Kedd
04-27-2011, 11:59 AM
He should have been smarter than that.

He wasn't thinking. He'd had a hard week and just wanted to let his hair down and relax for a bit.

Cth
04-27-2011, 12:04 PM
This is our only FF thread, right? Anyways, 2 is out today and it's good business.

Can someone remind me how Doom was brain-damaged?

FALL OF THE HULKS

The Intelligencia kidnapped all the smartest people in the Marvel U and hooked them up to Doom's Liddletown machine and was stealing their brains or something. Doom was able to fight the effects somewhat (possibly due to magic). Doom helped tip Banner off that they were being trapped inside a VR scenario, and the two managed to escape the machine. Banner anticipated Doom betraying them, and tricked him into giving himself brain damage -- Doom tried to steal Reed, etc's brains only to get the polarity wrong (he had just woke from the machine and wasn't at 100% yet) when Banner tricked him into doing so.

batroc the leaper
04-27-2011, 12:42 PM
good issue.

I love Doom, I love where this is going.

Jonathan Callan
04-27-2011, 01:58 PM
FALL OF THE HULKS

The Intelligencia kidnapped all the smartest people in the Marvel U and hooked them up to Doom's Liddletown machine and was stealing their brains or something. Doom was able to fight the effects somewhat (possibly due to magic). Doom helped tip Banner off that they were being trapped inside a VR scenario, and the two managed to escape the machine. Banner anticipated Doom betraying them, and tricked him into giving himself brain damage -- Doom tried to steal Reed, etc's brains only to get the polarity wrong (he had just woke from the machine and wasn't at 100% yet) when Banner tricked him into doing so.

This is perhaps my only problem with the book -- it draws in genius ways from old continuity, but it doesn't tell you anything about it. I had no idea who Nathaniel Richards or Kristoff Vernard were. Sometimes, it's hard to tell whether Hickman's running with the ball from another book or diving into his own plotline and not giving us many of the facts on purpose. And there's a recap page in every issue, but it only ever tells you what happened in the last issue.

Jason California
04-27-2011, 02:02 PM
He wasn't thinking. He'd had a hard week and just wanted to let his hair down and relax for a bit.


Ain't that always how it happens. Just goes to show that anyone can make a mistake.

cmoney
04-27-2011, 02:11 PM
Having only recently read the third trade of his Fantastic Four, I am beyond stoked for the first FF trade. :)

jason hissong
04-27-2011, 03:10 PM
Love this book. Hickman has the voices down, especially Doom and Thing. And I loved that he goes back to Spidey's science background a bit.

Pat Loika
04-27-2011, 04:11 PM
Has Black Bolt already come back from the dead, or is that being detailed in FF?

It looks to be happening in FF. I wish they kept that hidden from the solicits.

Also, looking forward to the brilliant Greg Tocchini drawing FF!

batroc the leaper
04-27-2011, 04:56 PM
Love this book. Hickman has the voices down, especially Doom and Thing. And I loved that he goes back to Spidey's science background a bit.

The exchange between Doom and Ben was absolutely perfect. A wonderful reminder of why Doom is the greatest villain in the MU.

Jonathan Callan
04-30-2011, 02:55 AM
Next issue -- Council of Reeds! :)

Supreme Convoy
04-30-2011, 06:48 AM
I just now discovered there was a Spidey & Franklin back up story in #588. I don't know how I missed it the first time.

What a wonderful story.

Slewo.O
04-30-2011, 07:06 AM
It looks to be happening in FF. I wish they kept that hidden from the solicits.

Also, looking forward to the brilliant Greg Tocchini drawing FF!

Same here. That was a really cool ending for him so I kind of wish they'd kept it hidden too. I wonder if this means Vulcan comes back too.

Spidey616
04-30-2011, 11:59 AM
Didn't realize Barry Kitson was drawing issue #4. Based on preview art looks great! You know it's a big deal when Uatu appears :)

FF #4 PREVIEW (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=8506&disp=table)

Spidey616
06-18-2011, 12:06 PM
SDCC Exclusive!

http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/9/40/4dfa319fe1605/detail.jpg

Spidey616
08-08-2011, 05:30 PM
New teaser for November. Incidentally that's when FF #12 will be out which would have been the 600th issue of Fantastic Four.

http://i.newsarama.com/images/FOUR_TEASER-fixed.jpg

totalsellout
08-08-2011, 06:24 PM
whats everyone's thoughts about 2 issues without the ff in it? good issues, but a pretty ballsy move.

SidekicksRevenge
08-08-2011, 06:29 PM
whats everyone's thoughts about 2 issues without the ff in it? good issues, but a pretty ballsy move.

Ballsy, yes. But I was bored to tears by both of them. The last things the Inhumans needed was even more inconsistent characterization and more convoluted mythology.

BriRedfern
08-08-2011, 07:03 PM
Were the last two issues an Inhuman story? If so, I need to get on that.

MayorMitch100
08-08-2011, 07:12 PM
Were the last two issues an Inhuman story? If so, I need to get on that.

yes sir. I think the next one is too.

The Human Target
08-09-2011, 02:24 PM
Yeah, I'm liking this pretty well, but I feel like nothing has really happened so far. Its a lot of being explained things without anyone actually doing anything.

Spidey616
08-10-2011, 08:32 AM
Another teaser by Joe Q!

http://i.newsarama.com/images/FOUR_TEASER3_02.jpg

dougmac
08-10-2011, 08:34 AM
Another teaser by Joe Q!

http://i.newsarama.com/images/FOUR_TEASER3_02.jpg

so Johnny's back already?

MayorMitch100
08-10-2011, 11:48 AM
What if they went Captain America and Bucky with the Fantastic Four title? Hickman told some untold takes of the Fantastic Four, that would be awesome.

SidekicksRevenge
08-10-2011, 12:08 PM
I've had cups of coffee that lasted longer than Johnny Storm's death.

Presumably.

Magnum V.I.
08-10-2011, 12:21 PM
We never saw Johnny die.

No body rule!!!

MayorMitch100
08-10-2011, 12:23 PM
I thought Hickman said Johnny wasn't coming back while he was on the book? Also isn't it the 50th anniversary issue as well? You have to have all four team members on the cover of the anniversary issue regardless of them all being in the book. :lol:

Mike_Johnson
08-10-2011, 12:23 PM
I personally don't want Johnny back yet. I'm enjoying Peter being on the team.

Foolish Mortal
08-10-2011, 01:41 PM
so Johnny's back already?
They're wearing their old costumes. Could be a flashback story.

The Dean
08-10-2011, 01:44 PM
I personally don't want Johnny back yet. I'm enjoying Peter being on the team.

I'm not quite sure he's really carved out a niche for himself yet. He had a great moment when the kids were trying to figure out a solution to Doom's memory problem and Peter asserted his scientific knowledge, to the surprise of the group.

Dusto
08-10-2011, 02:11 PM
Maybe that's Toro, sidekick to the original android Human Torch.

Spidey616
08-11-2011, 08:35 AM
Sure enough, Fantastic Four #600 in November-

http://i.newsarama.com/images/FOUR_TEASER4of5.jpg

SidekicksRevenge
08-11-2011, 09:17 AM
I'm not quite sure he's really carved out a niche for himself yet. He had a great moment when the kids were trying to figure out a solution to Doom's memory problem and Peter asserted his scientific knowledge, to the surprise of the group.

Yeah, I'm enjoying the idea of Peter on the team. Aside from that moment and maybe a few more, I don't see him doing much more than being the token guy who makes jokes. Those moments are there, and they're brilliant, but they're just moments in a handful of issues. Maybe if we weren't dedicating page count to the boring story of boring blackbolt...

BriRedfern
08-11-2011, 09:27 AM
Sure enough, Fantastic Four #600 in November-

http://i.newsarama.com/images/FOUR_TEASER4of5.jpg

Aside from Hickman's and Epting's names, nothing in this post makes me happy.

Foolish Mortal
08-11-2011, 09:40 AM
It'll be Jim Hammond. :p

Slewo.O
08-11-2011, 09:41 AM
Yeah, I'm enjoying the idea of Peter on the team. Aside from that moment and maybe a few more, I don't see him doing much more than being the token guy who makes jokes. Those moments are there, and they're brilliant, but they're just moments in a handful of issues. Maybe if we weren't dedicating page count to the awesome story of awesome blackbolt...

Fixed. ;)

SidekicksRevenge
08-11-2011, 09:49 AM
Well, I'm glad someone is riveted by the story of how Tron arranged for Black Bolt to be reborn and marry a horse.

(Actually, when I put it that way...what's not to love?)

Dan-C
08-11-2011, 10:10 AM
Aside from Hickman's and Epting's names, nothing in this post makes me happy.

Someone doesn't know how to count...

dougmac
08-11-2011, 10:39 AM
They're wearing their old costumes. Could be a flashback story.

That makes sense, plus Mitch's theory that it would be wrong to not put him on an anniversay issue even if it in memorium makes sense too. I was just surprised is all.

andrew french
08-11-2011, 04:11 PM
Wow, Farel Dalrymple! I'm curious as to what he'll be doing on the book. He's an incredible artist

Spidey616
08-12-2011, 10:16 AM
Apparently FF isn't over....

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1313154772.jpg

The Human Target
08-12-2011, 10:31 AM
Yeah I don't think I'm going to be keeping up with this then.

Blake Sims
08-12-2011, 10:34 AM
Wow, Farel Dalrymple! I'm curious as to what he'll be doing on the book. He's an incredible artist

I just saw a Dr Strange piece on his site, soooo badass.

http://fareldalrymple.com/brewstersmillions/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/docstrange.jpg

WhindamPryce
08-12-2011, 10:42 AM
I'm giving up on Hickman's FF honestly. I just want some payoff already.

For a whole year now it's been in this build-up mode with all the various races, Reed's dad, Namor, future Val + Franklin, n such.

There haven't really been any WOW moments.

Spidey's inclusion has added zilch really (except for that one scene).

Epting's disappeared (for now?) and replaced with artists that are nowhere near his calibre.

Two issues spent on Black Bolt.

So many threads from the previous volume still hanging (Franklin's powers, etc).

I mean, you've got the Future Foundation but all that's really meant so far is Reed has more soldiers to send into battle. They're not really fulfilling their potential of... er.. whatever Reed's goals with the Foundation were. I remember when they came up with a cure for Ben in the last volume.

I have the exact same problem with SHIELD. Every single character in that book is a cypher. There are a lotta cool ideas but I know shit-all about Leonardo or that main character kid, etc. Zero empathy for any of them. It's just layer upon layer upon layer of buildup without any real payoff so far. I'm starting to think Hickman's more interested in ideas than developing characters.

At least SHIELD has a consistent artist.

Spidey616
09-16-2011, 03:53 PM
Intriguing new cover art by Mike Choi-

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1316182497.jpg

Mimick
09-16-2011, 09:22 PM
I'm giving up on Hickman's FF honestly. I just want some payoff already.

For a whole year now it's been in this build-up mode with all the various races, Reed's dad, Namor, future Val + Franklin, n such.

There haven't really been any WOW moments.

Spidey's inclusion has added zilch really (except for that one scene).

Epting's disappeared (for now?) and replaced with artists that are nowhere near his calibre.

Two issues spent on Black Bolt.

So many threads from the previous volume still hanging (Franklin's powers, etc).

I mean, you've got the Future Foundation but all that's really meant so far is Reed has more soldiers to send into battle. They're not really fulfilling their potential of... er.. whatever Reed's goals with the Foundation were. I remember when they came up with a cure for Ben in the last volume.

I have the exact same problem with SHIELD. Every single character in that book is a cypher. There are a lotta cool ideas but I know shit-all about Leonardo or that main character kid, etc. Zero empathy for any of them. It's just layer upon layer upon layer of buildup without any real payoff so far. I'm starting to think Hickman's more interested in ideas than developing characters.

At least SHIELD has a consistent artist.


Yeah, Hickman doesn't seem to have any real direction. I have been unable to connect to his vision of FF. I rate this in the pile of worst FF runs along with Defalco's run.

vader1014
09-16-2011, 11:58 PM
I love Hickman on Fantastic Four.

rogerio
09-17-2011, 03:39 AM
Apparently FF isn't over....

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1313154772.jpg
Great image.8-)

Rick America
09-17-2011, 03:45 AM
Yeah, Hickman doesn't seem to have any real direction. I have been unable to connect to his vision of FF. I rate this in the pile of worst FF runs along with Defalco's run.

I disagree. It seems to be a much longer roadmap than normal (maybe), but I do see conscious direction here. It may be a much longer arc though than many prefer. I think it is much "richer" in detail though because of it. I can understand though why some might not like the rate of pace for 22-pages every 30 days. The style might be best suited to trade-waiting.

Mimick
09-17-2011, 05:43 AM
I disagree. It seems to be a much longer roadmap than normal (maybe), but I do see conscious direction here. It may be a much longer arc though than many prefer. I think it is much "richer" in detail though because of it. I can understand though why some might not like the rate of pace for 22-pages every 30 days. The style might be best suited to trade-waiting.

I think we agree to disagree. I think Hickman just doesn't get what made the FF great. It's not the sci-fi tropes, or the Kirby influence. It is the naturalism of their family dynamic.

Matt Jay
09-17-2011, 06:13 AM
Four trades in, and I'm enjoying the Hickman run so far. A little too compressed for my liking, which is a rare complaint these days. I wish he'd take some time to let some of these ideas breathe. Also, it really gets hurt by some sub-par fill-in artists. Still, it's epic. There is so much going on and in the hands of most other writers, I would assume that they would simply leave these threads dangling. But the way he keeps revisiting and advancing these threads lets me know that he really does have a plan. I'm definitely enjoying this more than Waid's, Byrne's and Millar's runs. But they really need to get some good steady artists to match the quality of the writing.

IPeacock
09-17-2011, 06:54 AM
I think we agree to disagree. I think Hickman just doesn't get what made the FF great. It's not the sci-fi tropes, or the Kirby influence. It is the naturalism of their family dynamic.

I think its these two things mashed together that make the FF great. I think Hickman does a great job at getting those two aspects right and making the book great.

And I don't think anything that guy does could be rated as the worst of anything.

Also I just realized I hate the word tropes

Thudpucker
09-17-2011, 07:09 AM
Also I just realized I hate the word tropes

How do you feel about the word truffle?

IPeacock
09-17-2011, 07:59 AM
How do you feel about the word truffle?

That sounds yummy?

KSChris
09-17-2011, 08:22 AM
I think we agree to disagree. I think Hickman just doesn't get what made the FF great. It's not the sci-fi tropes, or the Kirby influence. It is the naturalism of their family dynamic.

I am completely on the opposite end of the spectrum here.

I LOVE Hickman's run, and think the family dynamic is actually the strongest part of his run.

Other than Byrne and Waid, I think Hickman's is my favorite run.

KSChris
09-17-2011, 08:26 AM
I'm giving up on Hickman's FF honestly. I just want some payoff already.

For a whole year now it's been in this build-up mode with all the various races, Reed's dad, Namor, future Val + Franklin, n such.

There haven't really been any WOW moments.

Spidey's inclusion has added zilch really (except for that one scene).

Epting's disappeared (for now?) and replaced with artists that are nowhere near his calibre.

Two issues spent on Black Bolt.

So many threads from the previous volume still hanging (Franklin's powers, etc).

I mean, you've got the Future Foundation but all that's really meant so far is Reed has more soldiers to send into battle. They're not really fulfilling their potential of... er.. whatever Reed's goals with the Foundation were. I remember when they came up with a cure for Ben in the last volume.

I have the exact same problem with SHIELD. Every single character in that book is a cypher. There are a lotta cool ideas but I know shit-all about Leonardo or that main character kid, etc. Zero empathy for any of them. It's just layer upon layer upon layer of buildup without any real payoff so far. I'm starting to think Hickman's more interested in ideas than developing characters.

At least SHIELD has a consistent artist.

People have gotten so spoiled by the whole writing-for-the-trade style of the past decade or so.

How soon we forget that plot threads would go on for years sometimes back in the day.

I love a slow burn. There are so many comics that just don't even bother with any sort of buildup. The payoff means so much more when it's been built up to rather than given two weeks after a cliffhanger, like most comics seem to do these days. There's very rarely any impact anymore.

Adrian B AWESOME
09-17-2011, 08:31 AM
I'm giving up on Hickman's FF honestly. I just want some payoff already.

For a whole year now it's been in this build-up mode with all the various races, Reed's dad, Namor, future Val + Franklin, n such.

There haven't really been any WOW moments.

Spidey's inclusion has added zilch really (except for that one scene).

Epting's disappeared (for now?) and replaced with artists that are nowhere near his calibre.

Two issues spent on Black Bolt.

So many threads from the previous volume still hanging (Franklin's powers, etc).

I mean, you've got the Future Foundation but all that's really meant so far is Reed has more soldiers to send into battle. They're not really fulfilling their potential of... er.. whatever Reed's goals with the Foundation were. I remember when they came up with a cure for Ben in the last volume.

I have the exact same problem with SHIELD. Every single character in that book is a cypher. There are a lotta cool ideas but I know shit-all about Leonardo or that main character kid, etc. Zero empathy for any of them. It's just layer upon layer upon layer of buildup without any real payoff so far. I'm starting to think Hickman's more interested in ideas than developing characters.

At least SHIELD has a consistent artist.


Yeah, Hickman doesn't seem to have any real direction. I have been unable to connect to his vision of FF. I rate this in the pile of worst FF runs along with Defalco's run.

Wow.

WhindamPryce
09-17-2011, 08:34 AM
People have gotten so spoiled by the whole writing-for-the-trade style of the past decade or so.

How soon we forget that plot threads would go on for years sometimes back in the day.

I love a slow burn. There are so many comics that just don't even bother with any sort of buildup. The payoff means so much more when it's been built up to rather than given two weeks after a cliffhanger, like most comics seem to do these days. There's very rarely any impact anymore.

I'm not spoiled. I honestly don't care how things were back in the day. I care about now. And I just like things to start paying off after like 2 years.

And my other points (Spidey's inclusion being pointless, SHIELD just being full of cyphers, etc) still stand. Take Reed's dad or any of the non-FF members of the Foundation. Do we care about any of them? Distinct patterns of talking and the usual "i'm a young kid, i'm snarky cuz i know better" aside, would I, as an audience member, give a crap if any of them (including Nathanial) just up and died in the next issue? Hell no. Because Hickman hasn't made me care for them. They're there and I can see why other characters care about them. But I sure don't.

Same with SHIELD. Oh shit, it's Da Vinci and other historical figures which are now total badasses. Ain't that cool? Well no. It's just a whole lotta (albeit interesting) posturing.

My biggest measure for whether a piece of writing (whether it's tv, film, or comics, especially in the action-adventure genre) is "good" is if I give a shit if the main character died in the next minute. And I honestly don't when it comes to SHIELD and 80% of the FF characters. And I only care about the core team (Reed, Ben, Sue) because I've been conditioned to do so after years of reading the book, not because Hickman has made me care especially.

(Keep in mind, when I talk about caring about a character dying, I don't mean they have to be likable. They can be a total bastard. But I still have to care.)

KSChris
09-17-2011, 08:47 AM
Do we care about any of them? Distinct patterns of talking and the usual "i'm a young kid, i'm snarky cuz i know better" aside, would I, as an audience member, give a crap if any of them (including Nathanial) just up and died in the next issue? Hell no. Because Hickman hasn't made me care for them. They're there and I can see why other characters care about them. But I sure don't.


So.. isn't that a problem with you, rather than the writing, then? Especially given the bolded part..

WhindamPryce
09-17-2011, 08:54 AM
So.. isn't that a problem with you, rather than the writing, then? Especially given the bolded part..

How's that a problem with me? For example, if I can see that Reed cares about his dad, why should that make ME care about his dad? What has Nathanial done to make me care about his future?

Let's look at SHIELD. Tell me something about Leonid other than his lineage or why other characters think he's important. Tell me his hopes and dreams. Tell me what makes him tick as a character. I don't mean what you've extrapolated yourself or what Hickman may have said in an interview somewhere. Tell me what within the pages of SHIELD has presented you with Leonid's character enough to make you care whether he lives or dies.

Mimick
09-17-2011, 10:03 AM
How's that a problem with me? For example, if I can see that Reed cares about his dad, why should that make ME care about his dad? What has Nathanial done to make me care about his future?

Let's look at SHIELD. Tell me something about Leonid other than his lineage or why other characters think he's important. Tell me his hopes and dreams. Tell me what makes him tick as a character. I don't mean what you've extrapolated yourself or what Hickman may have said in an interview somewhere. Tell me what within the pages of SHIELD has presented you with Leonid's character enough to make you care whether he lives or dies.


I agree, man, if you are saying what I think you are saying. None of the characters have much personality to endear them to them. After reading the first trade of Hickman's run, I found myself enjoying Eaglesham's art and bored by the story.

BriRedfern
09-17-2011, 10:37 AM
Let's look at SHIELD. Tell me something about Leonid other than his lineage or why other characters think he's important. Tell me his hopes and dreams. Tell me what makes him tick as a character. I don't mean what you've extrapolated yourself or what Hickman may have said in an interview somewhere. Tell me what within the pages of SHIELD has presented you with Leonid's character enough to make you care whether he lives or dies.

Leonid the heir apparent to the Brotherhood of the SHEILD?

He is the son of Newton and a Deviant woman, he was taken from his mother at a young age, and raised by the Nightman, believing him to be his actual father. He is an integral part of the human machine that the direction of the series is based upon and he is emotionally and intellectually conflicted due to his time under Newton's tutelage and his belief that DeVinci's vision of humanity's non-predeterminate nature is correct and is, therefore, a pprimary player in the war taking place between those two camps.

That has all been in the book, and more. Sorry you are not picking up on this stuff, because it has been some fabulous, and in-depth character development.

Mimick
09-17-2011, 11:26 AM
Leonid the heir apparent to the Brotherhood of the SHEILD?

He is the son of Newton and a Deviant woman, he was taken from his mother at a young age, and raised by the Nightman, believing him to be his actual father. He is an integral part of the human machine that the direction of the series is based upon and he is emotionally and intellectually conflicted due to his time under Newton's tutelage and his belief that DeVinci's vision of humanity's non-predeterminate nature is correct and is, therefore, a pprimary player in the war taking place between those two camps.

That has all been in the book, and more. Sorry you are not picking up on this stuff, because it has been some fabulous, and in-depth character development.


Character development should be shown, not told to the readership. It seem Hickman writes like GM, he puts forth a bunch of ideas, but the characters lack any discernible personality traits. At least, that is my opinion.

WhindamPryce
09-17-2011, 11:38 AM
Leonid the heir apparent to the Brotherhood of the SHEILD?

He is the son of Newton and a Deviant woman, he was taken from his mother at a young age, and raised by the Nightman, believing him to be his actual father. He is an integral part of the human machine that the direction of the series is based upon and he is emotionally and intellectually conflicted due to his time under Newton's tutelage and his belief that DeVinci's vision of humanity's non-predeterminate nature is correct and is, therefore, a pprimary player in the war taking place between those two camps.

That has all been in the book, and more. Sorry you are not picking up on this stuff, because it has been some fabulous, and in-depth character development.

Everything you just said about Leonid reads like a bio off wikipedia. It doesn't tell me about the character.

For example, I can say Wolverine is Canadian and has claws and was experimented on and he has a son and he is an X-man. But none of that tells me who Wolverine is as a person. But if you said he feels guilt over the people he's killed and has finally found a way to atone by helping his fellow man/mutant and that's why he does what he does by being on a million superhero teams and he likes beer and redheads because he had a crush on one when he was a kid, then that's something I can get behind. Same applies to Bucky. :)

I'm talking about character development. How much of that have we actually seen in Leonid? Shit happens TO him. He gets recruited into Shield. Then he runs into Da Vinci. Then Tesla shows up. Then a war starts. Sure, all cool things to see on the page. But why do I give a shit about any of these characters? Sexy ideas are fine and all, but for me at least it has to be more than that.

I loved when Stark/Richards were seen setting off in their flying car and one of them is talking about the toll this is taking on their family.

Hey, I can get behind plot-centric books. Not everything needs to be a character study. I'm just saying that after like 2 years of that on FF, I'm done with it. It's still beautiful to look at whenever Epting draws it. :thumb:

BriRedfern
09-17-2011, 11:54 AM
Everything you just said about Leonid reads like a bio off wikipedia. It doesn't tell me about the character.

For example, I can say Wolverine is Canadian and has claws and was experimented on and he has a son and he is an X-man. But none of that tells me who Wolverine is as a person. But if you said he feels guilt over the people he's killed and has finally found a way to atone by helping his fellow man/mutant and that's why he does what he does by being on a million superhero teams and he likes beer and redheads because he had a crush on one when he was a kid, then that's something I can get behind. Same applies to Bucky. :)

I'm talking about character development. How much of that have we actually seen in Leonid? Shit happens TO him. He gets recruited by Stark/Richards into Shield. Then he runs into Da Vinci. Then Tesla shows up. Then a war starts. Sure, all cool things to see on the page. But why do I give a shit about any of these characters? Sexy ideas are fine and all, but for me at least it has to be more than that.

If you arfe interested in HOW the traits I listed were shown, yu have to read the book. I have been happy with how Hickman has shared this information, and I think he has done it in an injteesting and meaningful way. You are welcome to disagree, but neither your opinion nor your understanding of the story and how it has unfolded is universal.

And Leonid hasz only had nikne or so issues in which to be developed. I mentioned his crisis of consciousness in my original post and the identity issues he feels due to his lineage is appearant in his character as well. No, he is not as well defined as a character that has appeared in (literally) a thousand comics.

ETA: phone typos. Sorry.

WhindamPryce
09-17-2011, 12:09 PM
If you arfe interested in HOW the traits I listed were shown, yu have to read the book. I have been happy with how Hickman has shared this information, and I think he has done it in an injteesting and meaningful way. You are welcome to disagree, but neither your opinion nor your understanding of the story and how it has unfolded is universal.

And Leonid hasz only had nikne or so issues in which to be developed. I mentioned his crisis of consciousness in my original post and the identity issues he feels due to his lineage is appearant in his character as well. No, he is not as well defined as a character that has appeared in (literally) a thousand comics.

ETA: phone typos. Sorry.

I never said it was universal.

Only nine issues? That's plenty of time, isn't it? Especially in a bimonthly book that means 18 months.

Leonid is a passive character. Shit happens TO him and AROUND him. He does not initiate any conflict himself.

Who was he before SHIELD? Did he a have a foster family? Does he care that he was taken away from it all? Etc. Compare this to the Nightly News.

He is not fleshed out, regardless of how many issues he's been in versus Wolverine.

It's like Mission Impossible 3. Those two junior agents that Tom Cruise teams up with... they were just pretty faces the movie threw at us to round out the scenes. But then they have that scene in the car while they're waiting for Cruise to parachute out of the building... and all of a sudden they feel like real people.

But yeah let's move on... :)

totalsellout
09-17-2011, 01:06 PM
wow. i am shocked to hear people cut on hickman's run. i knew the inhumans stuff was going to be a tough sell, but i don't see how his run can get blasted like this.

i will say character development is not hickman's strength. but he does infuse his plots with characterization. reed choosing his family over the council is the most telling moment for that character in 10 years, and i like him more then i have since before civil war. sue's mom talk with nathaniel in the last issue was great, showing her strength as character and her role in the family dynamic. ben and peter have both had good moments and been in character.

i think hickman might just have an idea about scientists where they don't get all emo about things. his intellectual characters seem to handle things with a detached observer posture.

if this is johnny coming back already, i am a little annoyed. if peter gets replaced without some kind of pay off it's pretty lame.

but still, i have fucking loved this run. the council, the multiple species of alien inhumans, white doom, everythings kicked ass. i loved the blackbolt story, i think he just might have been better served putting it in an annual or one-shot rather than two months of a new series.

KSChris
09-17-2011, 04:00 PM
wow. i am shocked to hear people cut on hickman's run. i knew the inhumans stuff was going to be a tough sell, but i don't see how his run can get blasted like this.

i will say character development is not hickman's strength. but he does infuse his plots with characterization. reed choosing his family over the council is the most telling moment for that character in 10 years, and i like him more then i have since before civil war. sue's mom talk with nathaniel in the last issue was great, showing her strength as character and her role in the family dynamic. ben and peter have both had good moments and been in character.

i think hickman might just have an idea about scientists where they don't get all emo about things. his intellectual characters seem to handle things with a detached observer posture.

if this is johnny coming back already, i am a little annoyed. if peter gets replaced without some kind of pay off it's pretty lame.

but still, i have fucking loved this run. the council, the multiple species of alien inhumans, white doom, everythings kicked ass. i loved the blackbolt story, i think he just might have been better served putting it in an annual or one-shot rather than two months of a new series.

All of this

The Zevad
09-17-2011, 07:47 PM
Yeah, Hickman doesn't seem to have any real direction. I have been unable to connect to his vision of FF. I rate this in the pile of worst FF runs along with Defalco's run.

Ouch. I loved DeFalco's run on the FF.

Spidey616
09-22-2011, 01:28 PM
Things aren't looking good for Diablo and Mad Thinker :)

Exclusive Marvel Preview: FF #9 (http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=44327)

Spidey616
10-18-2011, 02:15 PM
Latest teaser for FF #600

http://i.newsarama.com/images/FantasticFour_600_Tease_2_02.jpg

Spidey616
10-18-2011, 02:16 PM
Another teaser from yesterday

http://i.newsarama.com/images/FantasticFour_600_Tease1_02.jpg

hamgravy
10-18-2011, 02:25 PM
Latest teaser for FF #600

http://i.newsarama.com/images/FantasticFour_600_Tease_2_02.jpg

Love me some Ming Doyle. If I played fantasy EiC I would put her on an Inhumans book or a relaunched Dr. Strange.

Colby2
10-18-2011, 05:34 PM
Another teaser from yesterday

http://i.newsarama.com/images/FantasticFour_600_Tease1_02.jpg

Oh oh, somebody pissed in Galactus' cheerios, and that is never a good thing.

Foolish Mortal
10-19-2011, 05:21 AM
http://i.imgur.com/sQ4km.jpg (http://imgur.com/sQ4km)

So it looks like we'll be getting some kind of pay off for that Inhumans storyline.

SidekicksRevenge
10-19-2011, 05:47 AM
http://i.imgur.com/sQ4km.jpg (http://imgur.com/sQ4km)

So it looks like we'll be getting some kind of pay off for that Inhumans storyline.

It's just going to be some fanfic exploring what it's like for Black Bolt to have sex with his horse-wife.

rogerio
10-19-2011, 06:30 AM
Cannot wait!8-)

WhindamPryce
10-19-2011, 06:32 AM
So now there will be TWO FF books that don't go anywhere. ;)



/fanboy snark

Ben
10-19-2011, 07:23 AM
So now there will be TWO FF books that don't go anywhere. ;)



/fanboy snarkI'll now need TWO giant diagrams to follow what's going on!

WhindamPryce
10-19-2011, 07:25 AM
I'll now need TWO giant diagrams to follow what's going on!

The diagrams do make it go down smoother. And I feel like Hickman hasn't done one in a long time.

web_head02
10-19-2011, 08:54 AM
I picked up the the first trade of Hickman's run when FF #1 came out and I loved it so much I immediately went and bought the next two trades. This is my first Fantastic Four run I've followed and I think Hisckman is doing an amazing job. The stories are so big and epic they and scifi is second to none right now imo. Really great book to me so it's a little funny to see some people in this thread don't like it.

oh well different strokes I guess

The Zevad
10-19-2011, 09:10 AM
http://i.newsarama.com/images/FantasticFour_600_Tease3_02.jpg


Guys your opinion on Johnny's "death" does anyone else think that..


After the doors shut. As soon as Annihilus army was close enough he went supernova. Escaped. Ran into his ex-wife Lyja (who is currently in the Negative Zone and I think Hickman was behind that actually) and formed a resistance movement against Annihilus with her?

Cause that theory has been bouncing around my head for awhile now.

TheTravis!
10-19-2011, 09:13 AM
I picked up the the first trade of Hickman's run when FF #1 came out and I loved it so much I immediately went and bought the next two trades. This is my first Fantastic Four run I've followed and I think Hisckman is doing an amazing job. The stories are so big and epic they and scifi is second to none right now imo. Really great book to me so it's a little funny to see some people in this thread don't like it.

oh well different strokes I guess

I'm with you. Hickman's run on the book is my all time favorite run ever, edging out Byrne's era, which i used to think was inconceivable.

web_head02
10-19-2011, 09:34 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if johnny is not really dead. And we all know he is eventually coming back.

The Zevad
10-19-2011, 03:37 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if johnny is not really dead. And we all know he is eventually coming back.

Well the 1st thing that went through my head when all those creatures were surrounding him was, "WHY THE FUCK ISN'T HE GOING SUPERNOVA?!" Then I figured he was just waiting till more of them were around him. I figured after we lost sight of Johnny he did. He got away and hooked up with Lyja.

That's my theory anyway.

KSChris
10-19-2011, 03:40 PM
Well, the first rule of fictional deaths is.. if there's no body, they're still alive.

So I never bought his death to begin with. It was just a case of them not being able to go back in after him, for fear of unleashing another Annihilation wave.

web_head02
10-20-2011, 08:15 AM
Well the 1st thing that went through my head when all those creatures were surrounding him was, "WHY THE FUCK ISN'T HE GOING SUPERNOVA?!" Then I figured he was just waiting till more of them were around him. I figured after we lost sight of Johnny he did. He got away and hooked up with Lyja.

That's my theory anyway.

It's good theory and as was said already we never saw a body. It could be possible. I just hope it's nothing hokey and has no real impact.